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[Teabaggin Krogan]

Lore inconsistencies, there's a few of those big and small like  the turian senators "Ah yes reapers", the illogical switch to thermal clips from cooldown reloads, why no one knows what quarians look like, why the reapers needed sovereign to push the bloody switch on the citadel to get to milky way etc etc.

 

But my biggest gripe has to those cinematic cases where you get to kill a krogan. Let's say for example the one where you have to shoot Wrex, Shepard literally kills him, a krogan battlemaster and the best at that, with a pistol, a ****** pistol! Really bioware! He should've at least deserved an M920 Cain.

[Grieving Natashina]

Most of the posts ring pretty true for me, so I don't have a ton to add.

Here's mine: How about no trauma conga characters in ME? This is what can bug me. I still like these characters, but holy cow...

Samara--It isn't enough that her daughter is a serial killer and has to be put down. Of course it's due to bad genetics that all three of her daughters have. Mornith isn't just a killer, she had to be a vampire of sorts that destroys people from the inside out if she mates/melds with them in some way. Samara gives up everything for the sake of killing her own child because she has to.

Thane--He's an assassin, a widower whose wife died due to his line of work. Of course he goes on a roaring rampage and nelects his kid, causing estrangement. His kid has to follow in dad's footsteps and naturally we have to stop him from getting himself killed. Oh and if that is too light, Thane has a terminal illness.

C'mon, can't more BW games have less than extremely tragic stories for their companions? They've gotten better imho, but I'd rather not see that return.

Awkward romance timing in general. Thane is a good example:

"My wife died. I can still remember everything."

<flirt option comes up, with the summation line being "I want you Thane.">

Me: Um, what?

Another example I have is from DAII with Anders right after Karl is killed. That seemed like a poor way to introduce the first flirt for that character.

[Fogg]

why the reapers needed sovereign to push the bloody switch on the citadel to get to milky way etc etc.

 

Because the Protheans disabled the Citadel as the big mass relay it had always been before, how the Reapers normally jumped from dark space (hibernation) to take a cycle by surprise. Sovereign needed to manually switch it back on.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

Because the Protheans disabled the Citadel as the big mass relay it had always been before, how the Reapers normally jumped from dark space (hibernation) to take a cycle by surprise. Sovereign needed to manually switch it back on.

 

Yes and for an omnipotent species of beings like the reapers, that seems like a pretty stupid thing to overlook and not compensate for. Haven't they not heard of the term "don't keep all your eggs in one basket?" 

[Grieving Natashina]

One more thing that came to mind. I know that the ME series is science fantasy and I can roll with a lot of "science" in the series. When it comes to eezo, biotics, FTL, relays and the rest I can suspend my disbelief. Even the multiple organs of the krogan and the lifespans of the Asari I'll let slide.

However, if the ME team uses real world science, they need to keep their facts straight. In this case, I'm referring to the remarks from Mordin that humans are "the most genetically diverse race in the galaxy." I facepalmed hard enough to leave a small red mark on my forehead. I told that one to my husband yesterday and he started laughing his butt off while saying, "No, just no." Humans are considered one of the least genetically diverse animals in our own world.

Folks have mentioned the fact that humans were depicted as the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel. Things like that prove their point. Okay, so we're the new kids on the street that has a fresh perspective. Fine, whatever. Yet kicking it up to the levels that ME2 mentioned is plainly ridiculous.

[iM3GTR]

No more space zombies, pls (husks and every rippah unit in ME3). Dead space already has that market cornered.

But then how would they bring back Thorians without any of the creepers that vomit on you for some reason.

[straykat]

One more thing that came to mind. I know that the ME series is science fantasy and I can roll with a lot of "science" in the series. When it comes to eezo, biotics, FTL, relays and the rest I can suspend my disbelief. Even the multiple organs of the krogan and the lifespans of the Asari I'll let slide.

However, if the ME team uses real world science, they need to keep their facts straight. In this case, I'm referring to the remarks from Mordin that humans are "the most genetically diverse race in the galaxy." I facepalmed hard enough to leave a small red mark on my forehead. I told that one to my husband yesterday and he started laughing his butt off while saying, "No, just no." Humans are considered the least genetically diverse animals in our own world.

Folks have mentioned the fact that humans were depicted as the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel. Things like that prove their point. Okay, so we're the new kids on the street that has a fresh perspective. Fine, whatever. Yet kicking it up to the levels that ME2 mentioned is plainly ridiculous.

 

You know, Drew K was just a garbage man before Bioware... or was it furniture mover? One of the two. Don't expect much science. Weekes wrote Mordin, but not the whole genetic plot. Which I think might've been Drew K's idea.

 

I would have overlooked that more if they carried through the plot. The Reapers were experimenting and this is why they honed in on humans. Once they dropped that, there was no point to any of this. They were comparing it to like... the weakness of Quarian immune systems, low numbers of the Drell, the Asari dependency on other races for birth, the Genophage, etc.. Humans had a lot of the good features of other races, but without the downsides.. and were biotically adept.

[iM3GTR]

can

can we have competent, non-corrupt, non-evil politicians

Mass Effect as a series has, like, zero

Real life has only had about four.

[iM3GTR]

Let's say for example the one where you have to shoot Wrex, Shepard literally kills him, a krogan battlemaster and the best at that, with a pistol, a ****** pistol! Really bioware! He should've at least deserved an M920 Cain.

I also think about the femshep line on Omega.
"Show me yours, tough guy. I bet mine's bigger."
Then she pulls out a tiny pistol! If you want to use the size of your weapon as an argument, at least pull out a gun that is actually bigger than the other guy's.

[TheN7Penguin]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

Widow.

 

Widow would work well.

 

 

 

Anyway...

 

I'd like to avoid humanising AIs because dude their robots. Let them be robots, not some religious nutjobs with math errors.

 

I'd also like to avoid all religious crap in general, because atheism.

 

AND

 

this is like the main thing

 

Avengers and Predators.

 

Because no offence, but if you had a **** tonne of money like Shepard, you'd buy your crew better weapons than the Avenger or the Predator. Use more guns in cutscenes.

 

In terms of plot things especially, I think the whole "bad guy commits suicide" thing is overused...

[straykat]

Avengers are sexy though.

 

Not so much the Predator. i'll take the Carnifex for basic gun.

[Dean_the_Young]

I'd like to avoid the pointless cruelty for shock value, myself.

 

Yes, yes, I get it. Sticking an autistic kid into an AI is bad. But seriously, what's the point of crucifying him and forcing his eyes open? That's not horrible- that's hilarious, because you somehow expect me to take it seriously.

 

Total sociopathic evil in the name of progress is annoying in general. Real amoral scientists don't waste resources like that. If you want to reflect on the consequences of extreme advancement, at least be competent about it. Evil people can care about needless suffering too.

 

 

Also, can we finally stop sleeping with our subordinates without no one asking if it's a good idea? Seriously- that breaks teams and trust faster than just about anything.

[straykat]

I'd like to avoid the pointless cruelty for shock value, myself.

 

Yes, yes, I get it. Sticking an autistic kid into an AI is bad. But seriously, what's the point of crucifying him and forcing his eyes open? That's not horrible- that's hilarious, because you somehow expect me to take it seriously.

 

Total sociopathic evil in the name of progress is annoying in general. Real amoral scientists don't waste resources like that. If you want to reflect on the consequences of extreme advancement, at least be competent about it. Evil people can care about needless suffering too.

 

 

Also, can we finally stop sleeping with our subordinates without no one asking if it's a good idea? Seriously- that breaks teams and trust faster than just about anything.

 

You had me until the romance bit. I agree David was over the top.

 

You've been carrying that banner for awhile though (the romance with crew thing)... gotta hand it to you.

 

I would just say no romance at all, instead of going about it that way.

[fhs33721]

Yes and for an omnipotent species of beings like the reapers, that seems like a pretty stupid thing to overlook and not compensate for. Haven't they not heard of the term "don't keep all your eggs in one basket?" 

They didn't. They kicked the currents cycles ass just fine without any of their usual citdel shenanigans.

[Grieving Natashina]

Stupid wonky quote system. Anyway..

@Dean I'm pretty neutral on the whole fraternization when it comes to the romance. Otherwise, I completely agree with your post. That was extremely brutal. It reminded me of Alex's torture in A Clockwork Orange, especially with the eye prongs.

Come to think of it, aside from Liara, the series is full of evil and/or corrupt scientists. Well, aside from most of the nameless NPCs in hospitals and such. I'm sure that not all of the Cerberus scientists were as innocent as Dr. Bryson and company. Most of the Asari scientists were either shady or outright indoctrinated. There wasn't many of those either. The only Volus scientist we see is a broken man racked with guilt. It doesn't make him necessarily a bad person, but it's another checkmark on that list. The Krogan scientist didn't seem to be that bad of a guy, but he seems like he falls into a minority for his profession.

[straykat]

Stupid wonky quote system. Anyway..

@Dean I'm pretty neutral on the whole fraternization when it comes to the romance. Otherwise, I completely agree with your post. That was extremely brutal. It reminded me of Alex's torture in A Clockwork Orange, especially with the eye prongs.

Come to think of it, aside from Liara, the series is full of evil and/or corrupt scientists. Well, aside from most of the nameless NPCs in hospitals and such. I'm sure that not all of the Cerberus scientists were as innocent as Dr. Bryson and company. Most of the Asari scientists were either shady or outright indoctrinated. There wasn't many of those either. The only Volus scientist we see is a broken man racked with guilt. It doesn't make him necessarily a bad person, but it's another checkmark on that list. The Krogan scientist didn't seem to be that bad of a guy, but he seems like he falls into a minority for his profession.

 

To be fair, this is common in Hollywood too for some reason. Or used to be.

[KaiserShep]

Romances.

Quiet you.

[frylock23]

As far as the *special snowflake* thing, I don't mind it so much. In order to tell a grand story, you need a grand protagonist. Generally, that means the PC ends up being that role. As intriguing as it may be to read a story told from the perspective of someone in Dr. Chakwas's position on the Normandy, imagine playing as that PC. What a dull game! While I might spend $10 or so on an indy playable novel with that idea behind it, there's no way it's a $60+ AAA title.

 

Let me play the grand protagonist out doing the important things. I am paying for that degree of excitement.

 

As for the AI theme. If we must have them and you must have the AI trying to be a "real boy" ... at least take it in interesting directions. Why must the AI always turn out good? Can't our "real boy" grow into a some kind of sociopath or some other interesting outcome? What if EDI broke up with Joker and became HAL or the crazy ship from Futurama?

 

As for human-centric, if you make me feel guilty for being human after you deliberately chose a human protagonist. I am done and so is Mass Effect for me. Tired of being shamed for what I was born.

 

Now, I don't want so many daddy issues. There are plenty of ways characters can be messed up without having their mommy or daddy involved. TV Tropes has a list of them I think.

 

Please use the opportunity of having to establish colonies in Andromeda to let us move among the other races' cultures so we get a more alien and less cosmopolitan feel.

 

Please no antagonist that can only be defeated by a giant contraption you find at the 11th hour that creates explosions in one of three player picked colors, not even if you have those colors be purple, orange and yellow.

[KaiserShep]

Heh, human guilt. 

[straykat]

Heh, human guilt. 

 

It's strange, but I'm starting to see it as a real phenomenon in these parts.

 

Like being alien or some fantasy race is some metaphor for playing a minority or something. A way for people to feel smug about having "race issues"... when they're probably suburban white kids. In turn, people who play humans are made to feel bad or just plain "boring" for doing so.

[vbibbi]

The only type of daddy issues I want are the sexy ones. Three daddies fighting over my PC

[straykat]

The only type of daddy issues I want are the sexy ones. Three daddies fighting over my PC

 

Who?

[vbibbi]

Who?

 

Whoever wants a piece of this!

 

I'm using it differently than how ME has used the term.

 

http://www.urbandict....php?term=daddy

[Jorji Costava]

Just one to add for now: Indoctrination. This is a plot device that was badly mishandled throughout the series (especially since the very obvious move of having characters we actually like and care about get indoctrinated never happened). Indoctrination was generally used to move characters from point A in their arc to point B without having to do any of the heavy lifting of character development (i.e. we need TIM to go from ambiguous to outright evil, so instead of having some inciting incident change his motivations in a plausible way, we'll just say he's indoctrinated and be done with it). Villains are generally more interesting when they act on motives that are genuinely their own, rather than imposed by some outside source; indoctrination deprived both Saren and TIM of agency as characters.

[straykat]

Just one to add for now: Indoctrination. This is a plot device that was badly mishandled throughout the series (especially since the very obvious move of having characters we actually like and care about get indoctrinated never happened). Indoctrination was generally used to move characters from point A in their arc to point B without having to do any of the heavy lifting of character development (i.e. we need TIM to go from ambiguous to outright evil, so instead of having some inciting incident change his motivations in a plausible way, we'll just say he's indoctrinated and be done with it). Villains are generally more interesting when they act on motives that are genuinely their own, rather than imposed by some outside source; indoctrination deprived both Saren and TIM of agency as characters.

 

It deprived them, but I think they were planned that way from the start. So they weren't contrived at least.