240 réponses à ce sujet

[yolobastien6412]

Kronar, son of man for companion in both ME and DA. His bloodline is pure.

[warning: Explicit content, but funny]

Spoiler

We need this bioware

[Seraphim24]

I think in general reflecting more of a "down-beat reality" in the games and such would be fine and acceptable. I don't really have a problem with kind of "super" sorts of characters, but I definitely have a problem when it doesn't seem like that's who that person is and they're just trying to be that way to sort of keep up the pretenses or whatever.

 

Mass Effect hasn't really had it's "Dragon Age 2" experience where it's just separated and kind of the focus is on people and their kind of "anti-heroish" experiences....

 

Like just basically more Blade Runner or Ghost in the Shell, less Disney in Space.

[Quarian Master Race]

It's difficult to simulate in a video game, but I am guessing the asari effect is due to their pheromones. They are going to be cross-species attractive because of some trick of their pheromones which have to be evolved in such a way so as to have near universal appeal. So what they look like isn't going to matter as much as how your vomeronasal organ perceives them, and for the poor, confused gay male, that could be quite the ride indeed.

Yes, mind controlling pheromones that somehow work to hide the asari's true appearance through advertisements, vidscreens and even 50,000 year old rock paintings and giant statues in a temple.........

 

Asari look exactly as we see them. Other species than humans, (and possibly quarians, due to also looking quite similar) being sexually attracted to them outside of very extreme, isolated cases of fetishism is anthropomorphic,  juvenile, and a lazy copout so Bioware wouldn't have to model other female aliens, (like say a turian hooker for General Oraka?). That dumb "bachelor party" on illium was an equally lazy attempt to fool us into ignoring this.

 

Actually, that's another one for the OP. Asari Maidens portrayed primarily as going into entirely non-essential careers of being either sex workers or mercenaries. It's retarded, because a civilization can't function with those sorts of employment demographics, so how about we just forget that little bit of lore ever happened? Conversely, everyone else should have their own damn strippers and high class (or otherwise) hookers if they're gonna have em' (I assume the salarians shouldn't, for instance).

[Lady Artifice]

^ I agree with both QMR and the poster they're quoting. I think a part of it is supposed to be pheromones, and another part is supposed to be this preeminent, mystical beauty and allure the Asari are credited with. In one of the books a human character even ponders how much more fantastic Asari supposedly are at sex than humans. 

 

I mean, come on. 

[Seraphim24]

In line with that, I think actually the ME3 ending was kind of the right direction in some ways, because it was just sort of that raw expression of futility and again sort of anti-heroism. It was pretty ambitious and all, in retrospect.

 

Maybe not so heavy or opaque though at the same time...

[SKAR]

It's only inevitable if you believe the Catalyst's BS.

Well it's not BS it's Mass Effect apparently. It made a whole lot of sense to me.

[Prince Enigmatic]

Didn't Mass Effect 2 focus more on character and to some extent their anti-heroism (Garrus as vigilante, Miranda anti-heroish to start before the hunk of man that is the SHEPARD melts the ice queens heart, Mordin and the genophage, Jack is about as anti-hero as you can get with ME2's cast, Thane does do the whole redeeming bit, Zaeed as well isn't really a hero either, nor is Kasumi id argue etc.)

ME2 was all about characters for me, which I loved, its what made the game so damn enjoyable and replayable for me. But there was no real solid plot, and it was the one letdown for me (that and how Kaidan and Liara were relegated in the game) and I would like Andromeda to get both right. Its all good having a great cast of memorable characters, but if there is no engaging plot to get further emotionally invested in them, you wonder why the characters were even made in the first place (Jacob, Jack, Grunt, Thane, Kasumi).

[iM3GTR]

Yeah, give us human strippers! That's original and unheard of .

The last time a man took his shirt off in Mass Effect was Jacob, and that turned out well.
PS: I was being sarcastic.

[Shechinah]

Well, in order to have a monogendered society that is patterned off of the male body, they would have to survive in an entirely parasitic way by completely using other species. That would imply some unpleasant things about how their culture is likely to have developed if you think about it coldly and logically.
 
So I went back on that and decided they'd have to be hermaphroditic with a male body pattern on the outside. You could even have them follow the asari practice of having a cultural preference for partnering with aliens.

 
How so?
 
I think there is a species of fish that are entirely male but mate with another species of fish to reproduce;
https://web.archive....m-all-male.html - I think it is credible.

[Seraphim24]

Simply must comment since Last of the Mohicans was actually on last night, I remembered why I enjoyed that movie quite a bit a long time ago which was that it actually was already basically "anti-typical narrative" in that the English and French were kind of represented as sort of the "savages" whereas the Mohicans were kind of a bastion of civility and all that (hence, last of the Mohicans, going extinct)

 

Even more to the point, they fought actively and had problem adapting to the use of guns and other technology, they are kind of 3rd parties between (I think) the Mohawk and then the English and the two daughters. 

 

But yeah I'd say the theme of the Last of the Mohicans were (at least the Mohicans) were very intelligent and capable warriors and also less savage and barbaric than the Europeans, and were able through skill and such to get the best out of a bad situation. 

 

Not that there aren't more obvious examples or that it doesn't exist, I mean, the Mohawk in LotM were pretty intense, obviously, but I think the example would better come from some western perhaps from somewhere?

[Addictress]

Simply must comment since Last of the Mohicans was actually on last night, I remembered why I enjoyed that movie quite a bit a long time ago which was that it actually was already basically "anti-typical narrative" in that the English and French were kind of represented as sort of the "savages" whereas the Mohicans were kind of a bastion of civility and all that (hence, last of the Mohicans, going extinct)

Even more to the point, they fought actively and had problem adapting to the use of guns and other technology, they are kind of 3rd parties between (I think) the Mohawk and then the English and the two daughters.

But yeah I'd say the theme of the Last of the Mohicans were (at least the Mohicans) were very intelligent and capable warriors and also less savage and barbaric than the Europeans, and were able through skill and such to get the best out of a bad situation.

Not that there aren't more obvious examples or that it doesn't exist, I mean, the Mohawk in LotM were pretty intense, obviously, but I think the example would better come from some western perhaps from somewhere?

Unfortunately this is what people are afraid of - LOTM. Noble savage trope. It's a trope seen in things like James Cameron's Avatar.

[Seraphim24]

Unfortunately this is what people are afraid of - LOTM. Noble savage trope. It's a trope seen in things like James Cameron's Avatar.

 

No but my point was it wasn't that, yes they were a "bastion of civility" anyway I was going back to edit that since it would so likely lead to misunderstandings, voila. 

 

Yes there was that but they were essentially third party players between the Mohawk and the French/English, more as neutral essentially, they fight and are quite vigorous would simply characterize them as human not "hyper noble" or anything per-se. 

 

Also in the same vein the Mohawk were just savage savage, so in other words it portrays them as a mix of different group of people with different aims, goals, etc, some partial to the English/French some just in between and hating the mohawk whatever etc. 

 

In fact, it is sometimes difficult to understand who is fighting who and why. 

 

At any rate, if your sole goal was to find natives doing more violent things well that was definitely in LotM as well (Warning vid has graphic violence)

 

[Giantdeathrobot]

I doubt Mass Effect is going to have a heavy colonialist narrative. It's too big a can of worms for Bioware to handle, whatever you do you either offend some group of people (OMG noble savages! Bioware hates western civilzation and reality TV!) or another (OMG white man's burden! Bioware supports imperialism and secretly enslave a thousand natives!). Avatar got away with it because Cameron doesn't care and just swims in the money made by his talented CGI studios. I don't think Bioware has that luxury.

 

My guess is that we will arrive, and that there will be aliens who are OK with us and a few that aren't OK so we have something to shoot at. With luck, there's going to be nuance, and even hostile species will have a good reason to dislike us and/or they won't be exclusively bad guys.

[Han Shot First]

No but my point was it wasn't that, yes they were a "bastion of civility" anyway I was going back to edit that since it would so likely lead to misunderstandings, voila. 

 

Yes there was that but they were essentially third party players between the Mohawk and the French/English, more as neutral essentially, they fight and are quite vigorous would simply characterize them as human not "hyper noble" or anything per-se. 

 

Also in the same vein the Mohawk were just savage savage, so in other words it portrays them as a mix of different group of people with different aims, goals, etc, some partial to the English/French some just in between and hating the mohawk whatever etc. 

 

In fact, it is sometimes difficult to understand who is fighting who and why. 

 

At any rate, if your sole goal was to find natives doing more violent things well that was definitely in LotM as well (Warning vid has graphic violence)

 

 

O/T, but can someone please sign Wes Studi to voice a ME character? 

 

Thanks!

[frylock23]

Yes, mind controlling pheromones that somehow work to hide the asari's true appearance through advertisements, vidscreens and even 50,000 year old rock paintings and giant statues in a temple.........

 

Asari look exactly as we see them. Other species than humans, (and possibly quarians, due to also looking quite similar) being sexually attracted to them outside of very extreme, isolated cases of fetishism is anthropomorphic,  juvenile, and a lazy copout so Bioware wouldn't have to model other female aliens, (like say a turian hooker for General Oraka?). That dumb "bachelor party" on illium was an equally lazy attempt to fool us into ignoring this.

 

Actually, that's another one for the OP. Asari Maidens portrayed primarily as going into entirely non-essential careers of being either sex workers or mercenaries. It's retarded, because a civilization can't function with those sorts of employment demographics, so how about we just forget that little bit of lore ever happened? Conversely, everyone else should have their own damn strippers and high class (or otherwise) hookers if they're gonna have em' (I assume the salarians shouldn't, for instance).

 

I wasn't implying they didn't look as we see them. What I was saying is their universal attractiveness to every species, even ones who look very different.

 

We find them attractive because BioWare designed them that way for human aesthetic reasons, but why on earth would Turians, Salarians, Krogan or Vorcha (it is implied that asari can and do mate with vorcha) find them attractive to such a wide degree? Asari look very little like them.

[Han Shot First]

I wasn't implying they didn't look as we see them. What I was saying is their universal attractiveness to every species, even ones who look very different.

 

We find them attractive because BioWare designed them that way for human aesthetic reasons, but why on earth would Turians, Salarians, Krogan or Vorcha (it is implied that asari can and do mate with vorcha) find them attractive to such a wide degree? Asari look very little like them.

 

That was one of the sillier things written into the lore. They should have just left Asari-human pairings at the two species being very similar in appearance, rather than having every species find them attractive.

 

In a weird way its sort of linked to the writers' tendency to go full on with the Humans Are Special trope.  You see the same thing with Javik's dialogue about the Quarians. He describes how the Protheans found the unmasked Quarians beautiful. There is no reason why Javik's species, a race of four-eyed bugmen, should find Quarians attractive.  But of course everyone finds the Asari and Quarians attractive...because they look like humans. 

[KaiserShep]

It's a good thing that the quarians sort of break that pattern a bit in that they find turians more attractive…for some reason. 

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

That was one of the sillier things written into the lore. They should have just left Asari-human pairings at the two species being very similar in appearance, rather than having every species find them attractive.

 

In a weird way its sort of linked to the writers' tendency to go full on with the Humans Are Special trope.  You see the same thing with Javik's dialogue about the Quarians. He describes how the Protheans found the unmasked Quarians beautiful. There is no reason why Javik's species, a race of four-eyed bugmen, should find Quarians attractive.  But of course everyone finds the Asari and Quarians attractive...because they look like humans. 

Except the humans are not considered attractive to other aliens (not to Garrus and not to Javik, for example).

 

So if a turian walked into a bar and sees these three at a table having a drink, his reaction is...

 

 

 ...wow that asari and quarian are hot, but nope the human is gross! Then he sees a lone female turian checking him out and he pukes inside his own mouth. She is the most hideous to him of them all.

 

Gee, what were the writers thinking I wonder?

 

 

I would rather each species be physically attracted to their own species, and that what and how they are attracted not be similar to our own criteria. The idea that a turian, for example, would blow off that asari and quarians look so similar to humans because of a few minor details they see as recognizable but not identical to their own species, is ridiculous to me. That would be like me trying to convince other people playing this game that quarians are not or should not be as attractive to them as batarians (who look mostly human), except for the different faces.

 

 

 

The asari are also a bit confusing to me. I know they have a philosophy that breeding with other species improves them by contributing greater genetic diversity, but wouldn't the asari still have preferences, and wouldn't those preferences be for a species that looks similar to their own, such as a human and quarian, and in particular the females?

[Eromenos]

Game of Thrones

 

The Last Samurai

 

We *probably* won't face the danger of an overly white cast of characters among the human head count based on ME's pretty decent showing but these days you never know. Also, the tons of misogyny.

 

Since this time around humans are the NKOTB to an even more extreme sense than we were in the ME trilogy I don't want the game devs' knee-jerk reaction to be for us to end up roleplaying imperialism or colonialism unless there's an actual point to be made that manages to veer far from pandering to those who would actually get off from its RL lowest-common-denominator aspects.

 

These two specific examples may not be from scifi IPs per se but they do fall into nerd culture and genre. GoT has been compared to The Expanse. The Last Samurai has been compared to Avatar. While I actually do find things to enjoy from Expanse and Avatar I can also easily imagine scenarios where that kind of "inspiration" and "association" could end up going down in ways far worse. ME:A, don't do it!

[Stakrin]

Kaiden seems to have a good relationship with his parents at least.

[Stakrin]

Except the humans are not considered attractive to other aliens (not to Garrus and not to Javik, for example).

So if a turian walked into a bar and sees these three at a table having a drink, his reaction is...


...wow that asari and quarian are hot, but nope the human is gross! Then he sees a lone female turian checking him out and he pukes inside his own mouth. She is the most hideous to him of them all.

Gee, what were the writers thinking I wonder?


I would rather each species be physically attracted to their own species, and that what and how they are attracted not be similar to our own criteria. The idea that a turian, for example, would blow off that asari and quarians look so similar to humans because of a few minor details they see as recognizable but not identical to their own species, is ridiculous to me. That would be like me trying to convince other people playing this game that quarians are not or should not be as attractive to them as batarians (who look mostly human), except for the different faces.



The asari are also a bit confusing to me. I know they have a philosophy that breeding with other species improves them by contributing greater genetic diversity, but wouldn't the asari still have preferences, and wouldn't those preferences be for a species that looks similar to their own, such as a human and quarian, and in particular the females?

First off: if it makes you feel any better I'm not really attracted to Asari. It's the hair tentacles.


Anyway, it makes a lot of sense that these aliens are often attracted to others. We have people who are attracted to Bowser and Krogans. People like different stuff for who knows why, but beyond that, many aliens, especially the Asari, were raised knowing about all the other aliens and different species that exist. These have been intelligent life that they grew up around and it's been a part of their society for so long, it makes sense that they'd be attracted to it, unless you assume attraction is purely chemical driven for evolutionary purposes, but that assumption brings up a lot of different questions.

[DreamerM]

The asari are also a bit confusing to me. I know they have a philosophy that breeding with other species improves them by contributing greater genetic diversity, but wouldn't the asari still have preferences, and wouldn't those preferences be for a species that looks similar to their own, such as a human and quarian, and in particular the females?

...I know this is just my opinion, but I always thought the whole "Asari can breed with any species and the children will always be asari" aspect was actually kind of sinister. It feels like someones idea of what an insidious, "could take over the whole universe" matriarchy species would be like: they are all beautiful females who live forever and can breed everyone else out of existence. They have shady goals and lots of power! They get catty with each other. Everyone wants to have sex with them. It just doesn't feel good in concept...

[legbamel]

If I never see another robot with boobs, I'll play happily until the end of my days.  BioWare went in big for it a few years ago, in ME and in SWTOR, and it always strikes me as utterly ridiculous.  Imagine if Legion grafting a big codpiece onto himself because he decided he was a male robot and wanted to be sexy for no discernible reason.

[Sareh]

Game of Thrones

 

The Last Samurai

 

We *probably* won't face the danger of an overly white cast of characters among the human head count based on ME's pretty decent showing but these days you never know. Also, the tons of misogyny.

 

Injecting anti-white racism are we? This series was probably the most diverse in those aspects and yet still we have people like you,  talking about how this "color" of a little more people is "bad".

 

There are more races than 3 you probably beleive and designing all those takes alot of time and $$$.

Furthermore, neither of that takes precedence, because this game is targeted mainly to western countries and the majority of the demographic is white. If you dont like that, you can develop your own game and do the opposite.

 

You should be thankful that bioware did what they could regarding "diversity" and representing humanty.

[frylock23]

 
How so?
 
I think there is a species of fish that are entirely male but mate with another species of fish to reproduce;
https://web.archive....m-all-male.html - I think it is credible.

 

I am considering that they likely evolved with females and either subsumed them entirely or parasitized females of other animals in their ecosystem.

 

As they got more intelligent, this either implies that they become hermaphrodites thanks to the subsumed females (which is a happier thought) or went through a phase of bestiality where they are grabbing and likely forcibly using animals out of their ecosystem since it's more likely there is only one intelligent species on their world.

 

Then as they get into space, this culture of force would extend to other intelligent species.

 

Even if you take the route that they beguile females, you are still looking at a period of bestiality and a culture based around tricking other females.