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[The Antagonist]

And if they were romance options would you romance them?

[KotorEffect3]

I don't care if they are in or not.  Just don't put them in the game for the sake of putting them in, make their character make sense.  As for as romancing goes it is not my cup of tea.

[aoibhealfae]

Yes, because why not. And yes, because why not.

[10K]

I'm with KotorEffect3. They shouldn't be in the game just to add diversity for the sake of diversity, and they shouldn't be a marketing point either; meaning EAware shouldn't boast about there being one in their game. If there is one I don't want to know from the devs I want to find out for myself. Same goes for the S/S romances. Let me as the player figure out these things on my own; it just makes for a better overall experience.

[Dalinne]

Yes, because why not. And yes, because why not.

^  THIS

 

I romance characters that I like. I don't care if they are cis, trans, men, women, aliens, robots, ghouls... 

[Cyonan]

Are they hot?

[MissOuJ]

Yes, because why not. And yes, because why not.

 

^^^ Exactly

[katamuro]

No, because in ME universe they have gene therapy and I assume much more advanced surgery, so if someone decides they want to be another sex then they can. No stigma, no other crap that is floating around today. For all intents and purposes they will become whatever they choose. 

 

The current thing about being "transgender" is because we lack the technology and tools to do it fast and easy. Its a slow, hard process involving loads of hormones and surgery. When we do then there won't be a big fuss about it.

 

PS. I thought we had this thread already and it got killed? 

[wolfsite]

But the bathrooms....

will be like in Starship Troopers.

[MissOuJ]

No, because in ME universe they have gene therapy and I assume much more advanced surgery, so if someone decides they want to be another sex then they can. No stigma, no other crap that is floating around today. For all intents and purposes they will become whatever they choose. 

 

The current thing about being "transgender" is because we lack the technology and tools to do it fast and easy. Its a slow, hard process involving loads of hormones and surgery. When we do then there won't be a big fuss about it.

 

Even if that was the case in the ME universe, would all trans people be able to afford it?

 

Or would all of them even want to have it? There are plenty of trans people who choose not to get SRS, even though they could afford it / it would otherwise be an option for them - for plenty of different reasons.

[JamieCOTC]

Sure. Why not. While they are at it, add some beings that are completely alien. You can have applicability and still have something way out there.

[Fozee]

Even if you had a character with every last gene changed, they would still be regarded as transgender by many people. It would be an interesting application within the ME universe, and I'd agree that the ME universe's transgender population may resemble ours in very few ways. 

[Killroy]

Only if they're fully fleshed out characters and not just billboards with big, bright letters saying "I'M TRANS!" like Krem in DAI. Krem was clearly BioWare/the DA team just being inclusive for the sake of being inclusive after embarrassing themselves with the trans elf prostitute in DA2. 

[Sifr]

Yes, because why not. And yes, because why not.

 

Or to answer this with the more important and appropriate question... "Why should transgender people not be included in MEA?"

 

You expect me to believe in faster-than-light travel, element zero and alien beings... but trans individuals should not show up?

 

I enjoy fantasy fiction as much as the next guy, but expecting me to believe that trans people don't exist in Mass Effect is a level of fantasy, fiction and a sheer disconnect from reality that even I can't get behind. As someone who likes Trek, but loathes how they've refused to let anyone out of the closet for over a half-century, omitting LGBT character from appearing or being mentioned in any modern fictional work seriously bothers me.

[Vortex13]

I'm with KotorEffect3. They shouldn't be in the game just to add diversity for the sake of diversity, and they shouldn't be a marketing point either; meaning EAware shouldn't boast about there being one in their game. If there is one I don't want to know from the devs I want to find out for myself. Same goes for the S/S romances. Let me as the player figure out these things on my own; it just makes for a better overall experience.

 

 

This.

 

Also, I don't want to see a character or discussion like this take the limelight away from other more intrinsic parts of the setting; i.e. I don't want to see those 'alien' aliens get less screen time, or removed from the game entirely, just so we can shoehorn in a trans character and all have an after school special discussing them and their preferences.

 

I didn't hate Krem or Dorian for being what they were, but I do hate how their inclusion for the sake of inclusion added nothing to the overall plot, and most likely had an impact on what was cut from the final product regarding other elements. Would we have gotten to see more information related to the dwarven kingdom in the vanilla game if Krem and Dorian didn't have to get a scene each devoted to explaining what they were and why acceptance of what they are is paramount (for example)?

 

 

I buy science fiction and fantasy games for the escape from everyday reality. I want to go explore that star system, to find out more about that alien species that have intelligence but not consciousness, I want to see the glory of underground dwarven kingdoms and talk to Awakened Darkspawn. I don't want to see all that removed for the sake of a PBS special.

[Onewomanarmy]

I wouldn't mind them being there but I wouldn't romance them, cause I'm straight xD

[ArcadiaGrey]

Well I'm gonna get jumped on for this but no, I wouldn't.

No matter how it's done it'll look like they're pandering to the current mood, SJWs, social media or whatever.  Even if it's a beautifully written story and a great character, many ppl, and perhaps the media, will start rolling their eyes no matter how it's handled.

 

If I worked for BioWare, I'd tackle the subject in an entirely different way.  I'd create a species of aliens that are non-gendered and androgenous.  Not Asari, but a beautiful yet handsome creature that had a VA you couldn't quite place, like Shale for example.  Shale is female with a female VA but it's not immediately apparent.  I would NOT hire a super famous femShep VA that we all know is a woman the second we hear her.

 

This alien species would then reach the point in their life where they could chose which sex to be for the sake of reproduction.  He or she would lean one way, but have pressure from family to go the other way.  Your interaction with them would, if well written, highlight the inner turmoil they're going through as society pushes them to be one gender, whilst inside they feel like the other.

 

So what I'm trying to say, perhaps clumsily, is that the issues of gender could be told with far more impact if done in a unique way like that, instead of 'here's an extra human we added to the ship who's transgender'.

 

Let's face it, when given a transgender character, or a gay character, some ppl close their minds and go 'NOPE' and don't interact much with them.  I think far more ppl would respond to something like this, and be willing to listen to the character's story.  And perhaps through their story, have opened themselves up to learning more about a very real human problem through the eyes of an alien companion.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I see no good reason why there shouldn't be transgendered individuals in Mass Effect: Andromeda. 

As for romancing them, if they are interesting and I like them I'll make a character that romances them. 

[10K]

Adding my 2 cents about Krem; I found him to be a nice character, before the trans thing even came up. I thought he was male when I first met him, and I believe that's how it should have stayed. I think there shouldn't have been a further elaboration on Krem's background because it just felt forced. Truthfully I didn't care Krem was born female and believe that him telling us about it was unnecessary.

[Battlebloodmage]

No, I wouldn't romance them, and I don't see them being necessary. Transgender is about being born in the wrong gender, not an actual gender itself. I don't see why people want to be in the wrong gender once again when they have the choice to be the gender they want to be in a video games, a sci-fi video games at that, where you have a choice in the situation. I don't mind them being there, but if there were in the game, they should be the extra option, and not be a part of whatever LI number they plan out.  

[Killroy]

If BioWare can handle it as deftly and beautifully as Louis CK then they absolutely should. If not, then no way.

 

[Valhallix]

I don't care if they are in or not. Just don't put them in the game for the sake of putting them in, make their character make sense. As for as romancing goes it is not my cup of tea.

^ This, and don't make their entire persona revolve around their sexuality.

Kaidan & Cortez were handled better than the pansexual/homosexual/bisexual/trans characters in DAI and I hope to god that if there is a gay/trans character in Andromeda they don't play into stereotypes. All gays aren't feminine, bratty or experts on fashion lol.

[10K]

Well I'm gonna get jumped on for this but no, I wouldn't.
No matter how it's done it'll look like they're pandering to the current mood, SJWs, social media or whatever.  Even if it's a beautifully written story and a great character, many ppl, and perhaps the media, will start rolling their eyes no matter how it's handled.

I actually think if done in a subtle way a lot of people could appreciate it. Example: the trans individual could sit you down and just tell you in confidence after you've tried to begin to romance them. It wouldn't be a big thing. they'll ask you "are you fine with it" and that's it. There's no need for a entire back story on it unless the player press them with questions. I say if you're not planning on being intimate with a trans person then there is no reason you must know they're trans. Done subtly like this and EAware has not made a big marketing campaign about them having trans individuals in their game, I think people would receive it pretty well.

[Battlebloodmage]

^ This, and don't make their entire persona revolve around their sexuality.

Kaidan & Cortez were handled better than the pansexual/homosexual/bisexual/trans characters in DAI and I hope to god that if there is a gay/trans character in Andromeda they don't play into stereotypes. All gays aren't feminine, bratty or experts on fashion lol.

DAI goes out of their ways to show how difference these individuals are instead of just being individuals. Dorian has a gay converstion storyline, metrosexual, fashionable, hiding his sexuality, they go out of their way to show how Krem is different and intentionally put a dialogue for Iron Bull to get upset and teach you tolerance. Iron Bull's representing the BDSM community and you can't even have a relationship with him without it, and his pansexuality was being described as he just wants someone that doesn't break when he has sex with, basically, he's just sex starved, not that he has a sexuality or anything. That is not how you treat sexuality, you don't point out how difference they are from you, just make them like regular characters in the game like it's not a big deal, they're not difference from others. ME3, Cortez was married to a man, Shepard didn't even surprised or treated it as an abnormality, he just reacts like how he would with a straight couple instead of asking questions like "You were married to a man?". 

[Dr. rotinaj]

Sure why not. As long as they're well written that's all that matters to me. Even if the character is included for the sake of diversity, just make them well written.

 

Although I'm not convinced that BW can handle trans characters. Krem was fine and all but the conversation was a bit heavy-handed and the little lecture IB gave about aqun-athloks made no sense. A culture that is all about gender roles and following orders is somehow 100% ok with transgendered people? That's the kind of stuff I don't want to see in ME:A.