Recently, the only way for a black actor to get nominated or win an Oscar, is for them to appear in a film that is either about the civil rights movement, or slavery, going by those who have been nominated and won in previous award seasons. That in itself is reflective of the state Hollywood and the Academy is in.
Nah. Denzel won for Training Day.
Rightfully so, too.
Nah. Denzel won for Training Day.
Rightfully so, too.
I think he was nominated for Flight not too long ago as well.
For the most part though, the most recurring way (at the moment) for black actors to get nominations are films like the ones I mentioned above. We do get actors like Denzel Washington, and others who get nominated for roles that don't fall into the mentioned above categories, but it isn't the same as white actors who are nominated for a much wider range of roles and genres, which is reflected in the recent acting category nominations.
I think he was nominated for Flight not too long ago as well.
For the most part though, the most recurring way (at the moment) for black actors to get nominations are films like the ones I mentioned above. We do get actors like Denzel Washington, and others who get nominated for roles that don't fall into the mentioned above categories, but it isn't the same as white actors who are nominated for a much wider range of roles and genres, which is reflected in the recent acting category nominations.
I disagree. At least when it comes to types of parts. They're not all civil rights/slavery related.
Another recent one was Forest Whitaker, in Last King of Scotland. Another great part, that has nothing to do with that. Then Halle Berry in Monster's Ball.
Off topic. #Oscarssowhite was mostly about Will Smith throwing a temper tantrum behind his wife because he wanted a nomination.
IMO, Black actors and any other minority group within the industry who want an award should probably begin producing and directing their own movies, and hire minority costume designers, SFX crews and so on and start flooding the market with a variety of quality movies of different genres so they can be up for a variety of rewards and so on. Sitting around waiting for others to give you an opportunity is a sure fire way to always end up in the position of begging others for a chance.
I thought the whole #oscarssowhite controversy was about the lack of black actors being nominated for awards? Which I never understood because they were insulting the skill of black actors by saying the awards which are pretty much a meritocracy are racist. Saying there has to be a black nominee every year is pretty much an admittance that they don't think can't get a nomination on merit.
Meritocracy. Meh.
If Black people are actually doubted, then they would have never won before.
The fact of the matter is that Will Smith or some stupid movie about NWA is nowhere near as cool as Forest in Last King or Denzel in Training Day.
They're transgender who want to become of the opposite gender. Gay people don't want to be anything different than what they are. I don't see a comparison here. You mean somehow a transgender wants to become a man who wants to feel like a woman but still want to stay and look like a man? We're getting into more niche territory at this point. If they don't want to do it, then it's not anyone's problems, to be honest. Regardless, it doesn't have anything to do with how the world should treat transgender people which is a non-issue, nor why I should care what their history is. In a non-judging society, I don't care what you are, you don't have to tell me, I don't need you to tell me, just like I don't need you to tell me what color of your skin is. Changing or not, it's still the same issue.
What I meant is that it seems like we're suggesting that the only way for transgendered individuals to be accepted in an idyllic ME future is for them to have all undergone gender-reassignment, rather than always having been accepted for who they are.
The comparison I was trying to make, to say, a "cure" for autism if it existed in ME is that even if someone chose to undergo the procedure to fix something they considered "wrong" about themselves, that shouldn't mean it is a necessary requirement for people to accept them. Trans who've transitioned and trans who haven't shouldn't face different types of treatment whatsoever, nor should those someone neurotypical be treated differently than someone autistic, especially since the NT in this scenario could easily have been autistic yesterday?
If we really wanted to highlight that the society in ME have grown beyond such prejudices or put in contrast with how it was presented in DA, then regardless of the status of the trans individual in the game, it would probably best be served by being something none of the characters ever feel the need to comment on... because why would or should they, it doesn't matter?
If the trans character does want to address it, then why shouldn't they either, why must the writers be prevented from letting a character tell us about themselves because some might complain or accuse them of putting this character on a soapbox to carry out some PSA?
I agree with you though, for a society to truly have no judgments, the correct response to anyone attempting to raise some imagined issue regarding religion, race or gender identity should always be a resounding... "And?"
I thought the whole #oscarssowhite controversy was about the lack of black actors being nominated for awards? Which I never understood because they were insulting the skill of black actors by saying the awards which are pretty much a meritocracy are racist. Saying there has to be a black nominee every year is pretty much an admittance that they don't think can't get a nomination on merit.
The lack of black actors being nominated for awards, which was attributed to ingrained racism in Hollywood and the Academy.
Off topic. #Oscarssowhite was mostly about Will Smith throwing a temper tantrum behind his wife because he wanted a nomination.
That may be what it started as, but it pretty quickly devolved into "HURR HURR HOLYWOULD B RACIS YO", especially on the Twittersphere.
It's just an unfortunate coincidence that nothing was nominated. And the times are ripe right now to raise hell about it. The times are also ripe for white people to feel guilty, if pressed. You just look bad if you argue.
Good thing I'm not really white. So I'll say it myself. 
Anyhow, it's just as much of an injustice to forget that people have won before.
Denzel was great in Flight too.
Still, there are so many years now where we get a Best Actor or Best Actress lineup of entirely white actors, demographics be damned, I find that to be reflective of the issues of Hollywood and the Academy nomination committee and that it shows how dated both are, as well as studios and executives what have you, that not enough films are being made, marketed, and distributed in the same way as movies with white male leads.
The lack of black actors being nominated for awards, which was attributed to ingrained racism in Hollywood and the Academy.
Didn't you state earlier that you didn't think Hollywood was racist, ingrained or not?
Didn't you state earlier that you didn't think Hollywood was racist, ingrained or not?
I don't think it is. What part of that statement doesn't fit with my last one?
Trans people are killed for rejecting a relationship, being wounded in combat, and having their secret revealed when their life is saved?
Because let's be honest here- that's what I actually proposed. Not some scenario where the trans person misleads the player into a sexual relationship. If you're going to reject an idea for things it doesn't actually do, why should anyone put weight on your input?
Right now, I'm not seeing any way a surprise reveal could be 'respectful' by your criteria, because there being a surprise- and letting the player react to it- seems to be the disqualifier.
The lack of black actors being nominated for awards, which was attributed to ingrained racism in Hollywood and the Academy.
By recognizing that it was attributed to the ingrained racism, which i believe exists though maybe moreso than as others may see it, surely there must be some recognition of the fact that Hollywood and the Academy aren't being equal in the films they choose to be made and awarded (and thus get widely promoted because of).
Denzel was great in Flight too.
Still, there are so many years now where we get a Best Actor or Best Actress lineup of entirely white actors, demographics be damned, I find that to be reflective of the issues of Hollywood and the Academy nomination committee and that it shows how dated both are, as well as studios and executives what have you, that not enough films are being made, marketed, and distributed in the same way as movies with white male leads.
Didn't you state earlier that you didn't think Hollywood was racist, ingrained or not?
I liked him there too.. I guess I like him everywhere. But I don't think Flight itself was as good a movie to get that kind of attention. Just my opinion.
What I meant is that it seems like we're suggesting that the only way for transgendered individuals to be accepted in an idyllic ME future is for them to have all undergone gender-reassignment, rather than always having been accepted for who they are.
The comparison I was trying to make, to say, a "cure" for autism if it existed in ME is that even if someone chose to undergo the procedure to fix something they considered "wrong" about themselves, that shouldn't mean it is a necessary requirement for people to accept them. Trans who've transitioned and trans who haven't shouldn't face different types of treatment whatsoever, nor should those someone neurotypical be treated differently than someone autistic, especially since the NT in this scenario could easily have been autistic yesterday?
If we really wanted to highlight that the society in ME have grown beyond such prejudices or put in contrast with how it was presented in DA, then regardless of the status of the trans individual in the game, it would probably best be served by being something none of the characters ever feel the need to comment on... because why would or should they, it doesn't matter?
If the trans character does want to address it, then why shouldn't they either, why must the writers be prevented from letting a character tell us about themselves because people will complain that it's putting this character on a soapbox or some PSA?
I agree with you though, for a society to truly have no judgments, the correct response to anyone attempting to raise some imagined issue regarding religion, race or gender identity should always be a resounding... "And?"
it's not about society, it's about how the transgender people themselves want to become the opposite gender. If they're ok with their body then they're not really transgenders. Transgender people don't feel comfortable in the body they were born with. People can be happy with autism or gay because it's something they accept to be themselves. I don't need you to tell me your skin color just as I don't need you to tell me your gender and sexuality or if you're otherkin or something.If it's not an issue, it doesn't need to be address. It just seems like the writers' agenda rather than the characters if they purposefully create such a character just to address the transgender issue.
By recognizing that it was attributed to the ingrained racism, which i believe exists though maybe moreso than as others may see it, surely there must be some recognition of the fact that Hollywood and the Academy aren't being equal in the films they choose to be made and awarded (and thus get widely promoted because of).
I wasn't "recognizing" anything, I'm pointing out what other people are accusing Hollywood of being. People making an accusation doesn't mean I take stock in that accusation, nor does it automatically make it true.
I think most of the Academy probably loves movies too much to be that petty. If they didn't, they'd be doing something else, like billions of other people. It's not like they're some Cabal who sets some agenda that has nothing to do with film.
it's not about society, it's about how the transgender people themselves want to become the opposite gender. If they're ok with their body then they're not really transgenders. Transgender people don't feel comfortable in the body they were born with. People can be happy with autism or gay because it's something they accept to be themselves. I don't need you to tell me your skin color just as I don't need you to tell me your gender and sexuality or if you're otherkin or something.If it's not an issue, it doesn't need to be address. It just seems like the writers' agenda rather than the characters if they purposefully create such a character just to address the transgender issue.
Uhh not really... it's about what they are, not what they want to be. Not all transgender people want reassignment surgery. Yes they are still transgender.
Here I was thinking Battlebloodmage just broke it down for me.
And now I'm confused again.
That's all this issue is to me, in the end. Confusion.
Uhh not really... it's about what they are, not what they want to be. Not all transgender people want reassignment surgery. Yes they are still transgender.
Good luck convincing people that. You want to be a girl but still want a boy's body. I don't see that as transgender. If you only dress as female but still want to remain in a guy's body, it's more crossdressing than anything.
Despite my own contribution to off topic posting regarding film, in response to this thread, I initially thought it was about whether transgender characters should be in Mass Effect Andromeda.
I had no idea what an appearance of a transgender character in Mass Effect would amount too, going by some of the discussions and differing of opinions here. Suffice it to say, Bioware would have to be treading a field of landmines in writing a transgender character into Andromeda that would successfully please everyone. Wait, isn't that true of writing all characters though?
You people would still bench that.
this is BSN.
where every possible love interest you can think of they want
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