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[Killroy]

Kelly wasn't revealed to be bisexual. She is an orientation that involves attraction to either sex, but she has never been explicitly identified as bisexual. 

 

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[Battlebloodmage]

Kelly wasn't revealed to be bisexual. She is an orientation that involves attraction to either sex, but she has never been explicitly identified as bisexual. 

Meh, all other sexual orientations are just variations of gay, straight, and bi. 

[Prince Enigmatic]

Yes they should, as long as they are fully formed characters, written well within the game's narrative, whatever capacity their role may be.

 

This is true of all characters really, and I will say that I wouldn't want a transgendered character, or any character that represents a minority to be in the game just as a means of ticking off another character to fill a diversification quota. That's almost as bad as there being no positive representation of these characters at all. 

 

Put them in the games, but do it well, it can't be that hard. God knows there's enough broody, white, straight, male characters/protags in video games/all media. 

[Dalinne]

Okay, this thread needs more Rantasmo
 

[Sifr]

Kelly wasn't revealed to be bisexual. She is an orientation that involves attraction to either sex, but she has never been explicitly identified as bisexual. 

 

Kelly's statements in ME2 suggest she's more pansexual than bisexual, similar to Iron Bull.

 

I see what you mean but I think Battlebloodmage is referring to male homosexuality which I think was intended to have been in the series from the beginning but were never implemented. There was apparently at one point a rather unfortunate comment made about how male Shepard was considered canonically straight. This was prior to Mass Effect 3, I believe.

 

If what I've heard is true about how Liara has dialogue in which she claims she cannot be considered female because the asari are monogendered then that would make the use of the term monogender a rather odd choice since to my perhaps faulty knowledge, monogender is about a single gender.

 

Would that not be like a woman saying: "I cannot be considered female because I can only be female"?     

 

If so, then I completely agree with Battlebloodmage that same sex romances for males should have been included far earlier than we got them, it shouldn't have had to wait to ME3 for it to finally happen.

 

What happened, did it take until the Reaper invasion for the Alliance to realise that they'd forgotten to repeal a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy that had somehow found its way onto the books?

[Undead Han]

 

If what I've heard is true about how Liara has dialogue in which she claims she cannot be considered female because the asari are monogendered then that would make the use of the term monogender a rather odd choice since to my perhaps faulty knowledge, monogender is about a single gender.

 

Liara was saying that the concept of gender had little meaning for her species, because the Asari are aren't split into two biological sexes. 

 

Some fans misunderstood it as implying that the Asari were genderless, even though that's not what monogendered would mean, and despite the codex outright stating that they're all female. 

[Altair_ShepardN7]

Uh, this thread was created in the ME3 board a year ago. It didn't ended well. 

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[vbibbi]

I didn't hate Krem or Dorian for being what they were, but I do hate how their inclusion for the sake of inclusion added nothing to the overall plot, and most likely had an impact on what was cut from the final product regarding other elements. Would we have gotten to see more information related to the dwarven kingdom in the vanilla game if Krem and Dorian didn't have to get a scene each devoted to explaining what they were and why acceptance of what they are is paramount (for example)?

 

Okay, this is ridiculous. Two specific characters have content that you don't like, so they necessarily took away resources from something you would prefer? If Varric were cut, we could have had more codex entries about Rivain, which I would have loved! Darn Varric for keeping me from my Rivaini codices!

 

Speaking as someone who did not like Dorian's personal quest and did find it to be afterschool special, I don't agree that his presence in DAI was for the sake of inclusion and added nothing to the overall plot. And as much as I prefer CotJ to IHW, Dorian is one of the few companions who actually is vital to the plot during that quest.

 

And if Dorian or Krem were removed from the game, you think there would be enough resources to add anything else of significance in? If Dorian were cut, we would get a different mage companion, as we have three of each class. That companion would require just as many resources as Dorian currently does, just without gay content included. And Krem's content is very minimal. Unless Jennifer Hale were paid big bucks for her voice work, there wouldn't be that many resources freed up from cutting Krem to provide anything else.

[frylock23]

will be like in Starship Troopers.

 

Is that why there is a men's a women's on Normandy? Just sayin' ...

[frylock23]

 

I didn't hate Krem or Dorian for being what they were, but I do hate how their inclusion for the sake of inclusion added nothing to the overall plot, and most likely had an impact on what was cut from the final product regarding other elements. Would we have gotten to see more information related to the dwarven kingdom in the vanilla game if Krem and Dorian didn't have to get a scene each devoted to explaining what they were and why acceptance of what they are is paramount (for example)?

 

I agree and disagree here.

 

Dorian was always intended to be a full companion and fully fleshed out. His content is full companion content. It just so happens that he was written as a gay companion, so his companion stories and romance are going to reflect that. He in no ways feels forced anymore than any of the other companions.

 

Krem, on the other hand, I agree with. He did feel like he was just kind of standing begging for you to talk to him so he could deliver you long talks about his transgenderedness. And they made sure that all the convo options were there with Bull for you to talk about Krem too. He was like a walking PSA.

 

I feel sort of the same way about Traynor and Cortez in ME3 which came out about the time of the huge gay marriage flap. Traynor was handled well and I love Cortez as a character, but unless the extended cut fixed it, you have to make sure you go through all of Cortex's friend stuff which features his letting go of his husband or else he dies at the final mission. It felt to me like they were holding Cortez hostage. "Deal with his husband issues or we kill him to make you feel guilty because you don't want to deal with it!" Again, the hidden PSA.

[Silvery]

Well I'm gonna get jumped on for this but no, I wouldn't.

No matter how it's done it'll look like they're pandering to the current mood, SJWs, social media or whatever.  Even if it's a beautifully written story and a great character, many ppl, and perhaps the media, will start rolling their eyes no matter how it's handled.

 

If I worked for BioWare, I'd tackle the subject in an entirely different way.  I'd create a species of aliens that are non-gendered and androgenous.  Not Asari, but a beautiful yet handsome creature that had a VA you couldn't quite place, like Shale for example.  Shale is female with a female VA but it's not immediately apparent.  I would NOT hire a super famous femShep VA that we all know is a woman the second we hear her.

 

This alien species would then reach the point in their life where they could chose which sex to be for the sake of reproduction.  He or she would lean one way, but have pressure from family to go the other way.  Your interaction with them would, if well written, highlight the inner turmoil they're going through as society pushes them to be one gender, whilst inside they feel like the other.

 

So what I'm trying to say, perhaps clumsily, is that the issues of gender could be told with far more impact if done in a unique way like that, instead of 'here's an extra human we added to the ship who's transgender'.

 

Let's face it, when given a transgender character, or a gay character, some ppl close their minds and go 'NOPE' and don't interact much with them.  I think far more ppl would respond to something like this, and be willing to listen to the character's story.  And perhaps through their story, have opened themselves up to learning more about a very real human problem through the eyes of an alien companion.  

 

I actually really love this idea. It seems like it would make for a much more interesting way to go about the topic and draw people in to try and understand the issue from a different point of view. Plus, we would at the same time get a new alien companion and find out about their culture and whatnot.  Good job thinking outside the box. 

 

 

Kaidan even brings this up in ME1 during the love-triangle scene

 

I just had flashbacks to this scene during one of my ME1 playthroughs to get a achievement. Only difference was it was Ashley and Liara. Still makes me feel awkward. 

[straykat]

The ethereal trans alien-like being was done long ago with Vivec.

 

No one complained then, because it was a good character...with no apparent agenda behind it.

[ArcadiaGrey]

I actually really love this idea. It seems like it would make for a much more interesting way to go about the topic and draw people in to try and understand the issue from a different point of view. Plus, we would at the same time get a new alien companion and find out about their culture and whatnot.  Good job thinking outside the box. 

 

 

Oh, thank you. 

[wolfsite]

Uh, this thread was created in the ME3 board a year ago. It didn't ended well. 

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Does any thread around here end well?

[Hazegurl]

And if they were romance options would you romance them?

How do we know they haven't already been in the game? or that we haven't romanced one?

 

*Looks at Miranda* 

 

Adding my 2 cents about Krem; I found him to be a nice character, before the trans thing even came up. I thought he was male when I first met him, and I believe that's how it should have stayed. I think there shouldn't have been a further elaboration on Krem's background because it just felt forced. Truthfully I didn't care Krem was born female and believe that him telling us about it was unnecessary.

I agree, the scene where you learn about Krem being trans is just cringe.  He makes a joke about his bosoms (putting his own business out there) then proceeds to get all sensitive and preachy if you don't pick the one right way to ask about it. Then IB jumps in for the tolerance message of the day.  Kind of ruined the character and reduced him to being "The trans character"  But I still would have romanced him over Bull. lol!

[straykat]

Does any thread around here end well?

 

I was gonna say the Blondes, Brunettes, and Redheads go well...

 

But then I saw that the Redhead thread got banned.

[Wynterdust]

It depends. If there's a great, well written character in the game and it's like "Oh you're trans? Cool. So about the next mission...?" Then great, why not. But if the whole point of their existence in the game is because of the fact just to please the SJW crowd and you're given stupid interaction choices like with Krem in DAI then I'd say absolutely not. 

[Undead Han]

Only if she's Krogan.

 

[wright1978]

No, because in ME universe they have gene therapy and I assume much more advanced surgery, so if someone decides they want to be another sex then they can. No stigma, no other crap that is floating around today. For all intents and purposes they will become whatever they choose. 
 
The current thing about being "transgender" is because we lack the technology and tools to do it fast and easy. Its a slow, hard process involving loads of hormones and surgery. When we do then there won't be a big fuss about it.
 
PS. I thought we had this thread already and it got killed?

Yeah that's pretty much my stance. Definitely don't think they should create trans characters without a really compelling story reason(not An attempt at representation) and if they did they should take account of the futuristic setting in how it should change the scenario fundamentally.

[Battlebloodmage]

The Skrull as an alien race would be interesting. They can turn into males and females, and there are 2 instances where a male skrull changes into a girl to be with a lesbian and a female skrull changes into a guy to be with a gay guy.

 

[Silvery]

Only if she's Krogan.

 

 

I do not think I will be able to unsee that.....

[LisuPL]

Why of course!

 

Of all people who could populate the Arks launched towards Andromeda, they selected mostly transgenders.

After all, they needed to preserve what's best of every race, should Shepard - The Alliance Drag Queen - fail against the Therapists.

[SnakeCode]

Only if she's Krogan.

 

 

Oh sweet Grunty.

[LisuPL]

Only if she's Krogan.

 

You people would still bench that.

[Hazegurl]

The more I think  about it, the more I think they could actually add a trans character in Andromeda who has to inform the PC they are trans...if they go the evac route theory. A trans person could have been taking their hormone pills/injections et al then right before their surgery, the reapers hit and they get chosen to get on the arc and go.  No time for a full transition and now they are stuck in a new galaxy. IMO, that could work. I imagine that character would be pissed off though. lol!