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[Killroy]

The opposite of telling someone something is not telling them- and the common term for 'not telling something important that could significantly change their opinion' is 'lie of omission.' As a role-playing perspective, I'm not sure how, or why, you'd avoid that as an option- the player is led to have an assumption, and she doesn't dissuade you. If you think I was implying that should be an unavoidable response, I'll apologize for not being clear, but if you think even raising the idea is insensitive, I'd disagree.

If we accept that this is a romance of enough maturity where genetilia would matter, then the genetilia- or lack thereof- will matter to someone seeking a serious relationship. Transition and hormone treatment add, not take away, body parts. Unless we change that- through magic or space magic Science- then genetilia are a pretty significant thing for making an informed decision about what sort of relationship you might want with a person.

The tradeoff of someone who doesn't broadcast that they're trans is that lack of information for an informed choice. For a straight man who might be interested in a serious relationship, there is no (and I'd argue should be no) expectation that they should be unquestionably accepting of a dick just because the person who has it feels they are a woman and let them believe the same. Accepting someone else's transition of gender identity should not force or in any way imply that you yourself must change your own sexual orientation on the spot lest you be some kind of insensitive bigot.

Feeling deceived- that you were led on, or that you weren't given a real answer as to why not- is certainly an understandable emotional response to come to terms with and explore. It doesn't have to be the only one, and I wouldn't want it to be, but it's not an 'insenstive' point either.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=KHrXtzYC0Jc

[Dean_the_Young]

 

I subscribe to the AlanC9 theory of disliking when people post videos rather than arguments.

 

Since I don't care to waste 15 minutes trying to divine what parts of a video are intended to address, compliment, or contradict points of mine, mind making your own argument.

[Puddi III]

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The insensitive part is that there is an undercurrent to discrimination against trans people that their nature is 'deceptive.' That's where the term 'trap' as a pejorative comes into play. You frame it as a reasonable concern people would have in the situation you created, but the issue is that the situation you created would feel contrived to validate the bogus fear some people have about trans people to begin with.

I don't know if in a mature game such scenarios or subsequent viewpoints shouldn't be allowed, but then should we have stereotyped scenarios about gay companions as well? I don't think Dorian's was that way.

And I don't think a character has to 'broadcast' that they're trans (and what is really wrong with that, anyway) in order to bring it up at some point before a relationship gets serious without it becoming an issue like that. People are going to complain about tokenism no matter what you do. Part of that will be plain transphobia, and part of that will just be displaced criticism of how well written the character is in general.

[Panda]

"Reveal" of Krem being trans wasn't that well handled in my opinion in DAI so I'd like to see some change in that in BW's newer games. I don't think it was downright awful, but it was clumsy with question about passing and "why did you decide to live as a man." Luckily Krem works as character just fine if you ignore those dialogue options (so no being trans is not all he's character is). I guess I just wanted the discussion go on more naturally cause it did feel bit "writer is speaking now".

 

In terms of ME:A I have said this before, but maybe you could see picture of trans character when they were young and not transitioned yet or maybe it could come within the backstory, similar as with Krem, but not questioning character about being trans + getting educated on it. Maybe it could come up somewhat early in the game without character going: "Hi, I'm trans!"

[daveliam]

And?

 

If we accept that it's a minority who feel any attention is too much, we can safely disregard them if we determine that their disapproval is not, in and of itself, a veto. For people who are determined to be unhappy, their happiness ceases to be a consideration- nothing we do will appease them, short of things we are not willing to do, so compromise is impossible.

 

In which case- so what? We aim our considerations at those willing to be worked with, not absolutists. I'm no more beholden to those who believe any presence is too much than I am to those who believe any character flaw of a minority is proof of bigotry.

 

My point is:  People are going to complain either way, so Bioware is better off just doing what they want to do.  By all indications Bioware wants to include it.  So I think they should just go ahead and include it.  And if people aren't happy....well, people aren't going to be happy.  And that's not different than any of their other recent games.  And it's also not stopping many of the people who have been threatening to stop buying their games since DA2 from buying their games......

[BansheeOwnage]

No, there is really no point putting transgender people in ME:A, since medical advances mean it would be largely a non-issue, and therefore only an academic bit of trivia in a character's past. I suppose if they want to do that, they can. Why not? But I feel like if they try to put them in they'll forget that it doesn't really make sense in that universe and they'll make a bigger deal out of it than there needs to be.

[Fixers0]

No

[daveliam]

No, there is really no point putting transgender people in ME:A, since medical advances mean it would be a complete non-issue, and therefore only an academic bit of trivia in a character's past. I suppose if they want to do that, they can. Why not? But I feel like if they try to put them in they'll forget that it doesn't really make sense in that universe and they'll make a bigger deal out of it than there needs to be.

 

Wait, why?  How would "medical advances" make this a "complete non-issue".  Unless there is ME lore that says that we can determine in-utero if a person is transgender and can then "reassign" their gender prior to being born, wouldn't being transgender still be a thing?  It doesn't matter if the medical advances make transitioning easier.  People would still need to transition.  And, again, ME is based on the real world.  And there is definitely prejudice against transgender people on this board in the real world.  I don't see that going away in the next 150 years, so I'm not buying the "no point" argument.

[Panda]

No, there is really no point putting transgender people in ME:A, since medical advances mean it would be a complete non-issue, and therefore only an academic bit of trivia in a character's past. I suppose if they want to do that, they can. Why not? But I feel like if they try to put them in they'll forget that it doesn't really make sense in that universe and they'll make a bigger deal out of it than there needs to be.

 

Why would it need to be issue though? People can be trans without it being issue, it just means that they weren't born with same sex as their gender is. It could still be part of characters identity even if it wasn't seen as socially divisive thing.

[Sifr]

Wait, why?  How would "medical advances" make this a "complete non-issue".  Unless there is ME lore that says that we can determine in-utero if a person is transgender and can then "reassign" their gender prior to being born, wouldn't being transgender still be a thing?  It doesn't matter if the medical advances make transitioning easier.  People would still need to transition.  And, again, ME is based on the real world.  And there is definitely prejudice against transgender people on this board in the real world.  I don't see that going away in the next 150 years, so I'm not buying the "no point" argument.

 

I have to agree. It's not like better medical tech would eliminate the problems that trans individuals face, it simply would make their transition easier. The discrimination and issues they'd face both before and after the transition would not be changed,

 

The news that Bruce would become Caitlyn Jenner was greeted overall with a lot of acceptance and understanding, but there was still a lot of bashing and negativity from certain quarters... who seemed to take offense as if she should have consulted them first before coming forward as being transgendered. Nor did such discrimination or prejudice stop once she had made the transition and began living her life as a woman.

 

I don't see that kind of thing as going away in 150 years. The medical tech might change for the better, but unless society does as well, there will sadly still be bigotry and intolerance towards anyone who is different compared than the majority.

[Battlebloodmage]

I have to agree. It's not like better medical tech would eliminate the problems that trans individuals face, it simply would make their transition easier. The discrimination and issues they'd face both before and after the transition would not be changed,

 

The news that Bruce would become Caitlyn Jenner was greeted overall with a lot of acceptance and understanding, but there was still a lot of bashing and negativity from certain quarters... who seemed to take offense as if she should have consulted them first before coming forward as being transgendered. Nor did such discrimination or prejudice stop once she had made the transition and began living her life as a woman.

 

I don't see that kind of thing as going away in 150 years. The medical tech might change for the better, but unless society does as well, there will sadly still be bigotry and intolerance towards anyone who is different compared than the majority.

I'm pretty sure a lot of the complains weren't about her specifically but how her transgender seem to treat her as a hero like when she received a bunch of awards like woman of the year and stuffs like that. A lot of them are motivated by transphobic, but some just find what she did was not significant when compared to all the women give up their life in firefighter or military career. South Park basically made a parody on Caitlyn for being a hero. They treat her like a martyr, and I don't see what make Caitlyn any different than all the transgender people going through the same situation or the women who dedicated their life to helping people directly. 

 

As for the last part, what's to say society in ME didn't already achieve that utopia where you can change your gender with medical and people stop being discriminated toward transgender people? Instead of using transgender to tell about their struggle and preaching to the audience like with Dorian and Krem. Maybe they could use it to show the advancement of medical in the ME universe. It would make the issue not about the transgender but about the ME universe and expand on the lore somewhat. 

[Dean_the_Young]

The insensitive part is that there is an undercurrent to discrimination against trans people that their nature is 'deceptive.' That's where the term 'trap' as a pejorative comes into play. You frame it as a reasonable concern people would have in the situation you created, but the issue is that the situation you created would feel contrived to validate the bogus fear some people have about trans people to begin with.

 

I dispute that it is bogus.

 

Even if we accept that people should be considered and treated by the gender they consider themselves to be, it doesn't follow that people's orientation and sexual desires might reflect that as well. If someone is interested in a trans person as the gender they portray themselves to be, when they wouldn't if they knew the parts downstairs wouldn't be, they can have a legitimate reaction to finding otherwise- particularly if they feel led on into something they wouldn't have wanted.

 

 

If you feel it's contrived, I can hardly stop you- but if you'd feel anything that even approaches a stereotype is illegiitmate, that runs into the absolutist position attempting to demand a control of content. I'd no more consider a veto by people who would object to anything even remotely related to a stereotype than I would people who would object to any element of tokenism.

 

I don't know if in a mature game such scenarios or subsequent viewpoints shouldn't be allowed, but then should we have stereotyped scenarios about gay companions as well? I don't think Dorian's was that way.

 

Dorian definitely has gay stereotypes involved- notably around the flashy and fasionable nature. Isabella has promiscuity stereotypes. But Dorian is not just that, and Isabella's not just that, just as a trans woman who doesn't advertise she's trans isn't just misleading people who believe she is a woman in body and soul if she doesn't have the parts downstairs.

 

 

And I don't think a character has to 'broadcast' that they're trans (and what is really wrong with that, anyway) in order to bring it up at some point before a relationship gets serious without it becoming an issue like that. People are going to complain about tokenism no matter what you do. Part of that will be plain transphobia, and part of that will just be displaced criticism of how well written the character is in general.

 

 

In this scenario, the context is pretty clearly that it is not brought up in advance. That does not make it 'disrespectful' to the trans character involved- who can easily refute any accusation of 'trickery' by pointing out that she never anyone on about a relationship, and that the reveal was beyond her control (and against her will).

 

If the only acceptable scenario for a trans relationship in fiction is that it must happen in X, Y, Z steps, I'll give that the same considerations I would any other demand of how fiction 'must' follow certain characteristics in order to be morally acceptable.

 

Which is to say, about as much as people who consider anything they don't like as too much, whether it be tokens or minorities as villains or even the possiblity of something they don't morally approve of.

[Dean_the_Young]

I'm pretty sure a lot of the complains weren't about her specifically but how her transgender seem to treat her as a hero like when she received a bunch of awards like woman of the year and stuffs like that. A lot of them are motivated by transphobic, but some just find what she did was not significant when compared to all the women give up their life in firefighter or military career. South Park basically made a parody on Caitlyn for being a hero. They treat her like a martyr, and I don't see what make Caitlyn any different than all the transgender people going through the same situation or the women who dedicated their life to helping people directly. 

 

I remember a sardonic feminist blog which put it as 'Triumph of the Patriarchy: Men better at being woman than any other women.' Then it went on with significantly more famous and accomplished women- like Angela Merkel, or women activists in places like Afghanistan were being splashed with acid as a real thing- who put at the back of the hype-train.

 

 

As for the last part, what's to say society in ME didn't already achieve that utopia where you can change your gender with medical and people stop being discriminated toward transgender people?

 

 

Internally? Nothing. Externally, it'd probably qualify as erasure of some sort of the trans experience in the real world.

 

Course, that gets into those no-win SJW debates- where not focusing on a specific social issue to a emphathetic degree is itself of a moral failing- but again: unpleasable people.

[Battlebloodmage]

I remember a sardonic feminist blog which put it as 'Triumph of the Patriarchy: Men better at being woman than any other women.' Then it went on with significantly more famous and accomplished women- like Angela Merkel, or women activists in places like Afghanistan were being splashed with acid as a real thing- who put at the back of the hype-train.

 

 

Internally? Nothing. Externally, it'd probably qualify as erasure of some sort of the trans experience in the real world.

 

Course, that gets into those no-win SJW debates- where not focusing on a specific social issue to a emphathetic degree is itself of a moral failing- but again: unpleasable people.

I just added the last part, "instead of using transgender to tell about their struggle and preaching to the audience like with Dorian and Krem. Maybe they could use it to show the advancement of medical in the ME universe. It would make the issue not about the transgender but about the ME universe and expand on the lore somewhat". I feel like it would give the transgender character a purpose instead of being there for representation. In the long run, trying to tell a struggle may actually create a backlash, especially among the people thinking that the character's purpose is just to be a transgender. It creates more controversy and actually take away the message they try to get across. By treating them like normal, it goes a long way than making them stand out. Treating them as characters with a gender and sexuality instead of gender and sexuality as characters. 

[Gothfather]

Even if that was the case in the ME universe, would all trans people be able to afford it?

 

Or would all of them even want to have it? There are plenty of trans people who choose not to get SRS, even though they could afford it / it would otherwise be an option for them - for plenty of different reasons.

 

There is no indication that health care or mental care is for profit in the citadel space in fact i recall seeing the exact opposite. Second it assumes that transitioning is a long and dangerous process what if it isn't? Hell major near death trauma can be cured with simply applying medi-gel, which in the past would have require surgery to heal and months of rehabilitation to heal. So again there is evidence to suggest the process wouldn't be difficult or costly. 

 

I think "transgender" will become a thing of the past because of technology, if they can genetically make you whatever gender you want are you trans? If you are XX or XY genetically regardless of the gender of your birth are you not fully your current gender? And if we imagine a more enlightened era wouldn't this ability to change gender just be viewed as essential to a healthy self identity?

 

So if we want to have start a conversation on social issue which sci-fi fiction has been doing since its inception so very much in line with the genre would it not be better to have a discussion about gender in a different way? Maybe we encounter people who have no set gender but go about life changing their gender every 5 or so years. Someone who was A gender at birth but is now B gender but it is only revealed in the story because we meet a friend of the squad mate and they slip with a pronoun because they are recalling a past event they did together. Or a squadmate/crewmember says the one thing they miss about being a X gender was the plumbing in the space suit was more comfortable. just an offhand remark that makes mention their current gender hasn't always been the same.

 

I think this is a better way to introduce gender identity to mass effect than transplanting directly an issue from the present and make no adjustments to the issues. It will feel out of place if technology does nothing to help with gender identity. 

 

I think a fantasy setting and a contemporary setting or near future setting makes sense to directly talk about transgender issues but in a future where gender reassignment is 100% functional, safe and not just cosmetic will there be transgender issues? People don't do gender reassignment surgery today because there are major health risks with surgery and hormone therapy. But if these risks are near zero who is going to say no "I don't want to be the gender I identify as?

[o Ventus]

Clearly caving in to the SJW minority is the thing to do these days. Just look at Tracer's ass. 

 

To be fair they replaced the old ass pose with a new one that is literally copy-pasted from an old pin-up poster.

[Draining Dragon]

To be fair they replaced the old ass pose with a new one that is literally copy-pasted from an old pin-up poster.

Indeed, and I got a good laugh from that. Well played, Blizzard.

Also, I only just realized that your avatar is Zarya. slowpoke.jpg

[Gothfather]

Wait, why?  How would "medical advances" make this a "complete non-issue".  Unless there is ME lore that says that we can determine in-utero if a person is transgender and can then "reassign" their gender prior to being born, wouldn't being transgender still be a thing?  It doesn't matter if the medical advances make transitioning easier.  People would still need to transition.  And, again, ME is based on the real world.  And there is definitely prejudice against transgender people on this board in the real world.  I don't see that going away in the next 150 years, so I'm not buying the "no point" argument.

 

If you are a man or woman both functionally and genetically regardless of birth not just cosmetically then you very much eliminate one on the many problems trans people face today. Transpeople often have 'reflections' of their birth gender regardless of how successful their transition or how far in the process they are, so many get persecuted because of this. People feel they are being tricked. Is it pretty self indulgent to think someone else's transition is about you? yes but it still happens. When you can't tell because they literally are their current gender because their DNA has been changed with gene therapy don't you think that eliminates the issue somewhat?

 

Every man in the world is genetically "trans," every human starts life as female and that is a fact. It is the y  chromosome that activates the production of testosterone in large quantities that give rise to male genitalia, which is why men have vestigial breasts. They do nothing for the species but we still have them because men were once women. Yet we don't treat men as trans because functionally men are men. Any person who becomes 100% functionally X gender is i believe not going to viewed as trans but rather X gender, especially given how fast society has changed viewing gender and sexual orientation compared to just 25 years ago. You honestly think 150 years will bring little to no change?

[frylock23]

That's profoundly silly. Krem exists as part of Iron Bull's background, scenes, and personal quest; those scenes need a character with lines to work.

 

So do all the other Charger characters, and yet Krem is the only one I see hanging around with entire dialogue trees attached to him, most of which are designed to specifically explore the nature of his transgenderism. Even his dialogue when you hang with the chargers trends that way. He is a walking PSA for the most part.

 

Listen, my objection to Krem has nothing to do with his transgenderism and everything to with that fact that the character comes off like he was written specifically to "educate" gamers on transgenderism rather than really add much else. You could cut a lot of what goes on with Krem and lose absolutely nothing critical to the game or Iron Bull's storyline for that matter. It wouldn't even make a player more or less likely to sacrifice or save the Chargers.

 

All it seems to do is say, "Hey! Look at me! I'm all transgender and I'm going to educate you now." In that sense, Krem is a lot like most of Tali's exposition in the first Mass Effect. You would talk to her and get a walking encyclopedia entry on Quarian society.

[Gothfather]

To be fair they replaced the old ass pose with a new one that is literally copy-pasted from an old pin-up poster.

And to be DOUBLY fair it wasn't SJW that cause the issue it was an over protective father worried a character his daughter was playing was being sexualised. So not really SJW at play here more of a WAC (What About the Children) crowd gone amuck.

[Sifr]

 

As for the last part, what's to say society in ME didn't already achieve that utopia where you can change your gender with medical and people stop being discriminated toward transgender people? Instead of using transgender to tell about their struggle and preaching to the audience like with Dorian and Krem. Maybe they could use it to show the advancement of medical in the ME universe. It would make the issue not about the transgender but about the ME universe and expand on the lore somewhat. 

 

I dunno, it seems hard to swallow that Mass Effect would be a perfect utopia where LGBT individuals are treated with the same amount of respect as anyone else... but there are still people around who clearly have the attitude that "aliens, they're only here to steal our jobs and take our women!"

 

I suppose humanity might be more inclined to let human prejudices go first, before extending that courtesy to our interstellar neighbours. Still, given that it's part and parcel of the same basic issue about overcoming prejudice, you'd imagine one would go with the other?

 

Isn't there a female NPC in the embassy in ME3 who comments on their family abandoning them for having married an Asari? The Asari are even older hats at this than we are and they still sometimes show prejudice towards Asari who married Krogan or Batarians. It doesn't seem like society has progressed that far towards such a utopian ideal.

[BansheeOwnage]

Wait, why?  How would "medical advances" make this a "complete non-issue".  Unless there is ME lore that says that we can determine in-utero if a person is transgender and can then "reassign" their gender prior to being born, wouldn't being transgender still be a thing?  It doesn't matter if the medical advances make transitioning easier.  People would still need to transition.  And, again, ME is based on the real world.  And there is definitely prejudice against transgender people on this board in the real world.  I don't see that going away in the next 150 years, so I'm not buying the "no point" argument.

I realize my response was probably surprising given my attitude towards the LGBT community in general, which I am a part of. But I'll try to elaborate (and I did edit "complete non-issue" to "largely a non-issue", since you're right, it wouldn't be complete).

 

Yes, transgender people in ME would still have to transition, but this would most likely be done long before you meet the potential character. I don't buy that it would be a big deal or even a deal at all in the ME universe socially speaking, in the same way that being non-straight is a complete non-issue, and not even treated with surprise or given extra attention. And that's good. I want that to be how it is, because I feel like making something truly normal is the best way to promote acceptance in the real world, not by drawing attention to it like DA:I did.

 

So I don't want them to reflect real-world values onto being transgender, partly because I don't think it's helpful and partly because it would be unfair as well as inconsistent considering how they treated being gay in that universe (non-issue). If the prejudice against the LGB community can go away in 150 years, why not the T as well?

 

Why would it need to be issue though? People can be trans without it being issue, it just means that they weren't born with same sex as their gender is. It could still be part of characters identity even if it wasn't seen as socially divisive thing.

That's what I'm trying to say, actually. I don't want it to be an issue, and part of the reason I'd rather they not include any trans characters is because I don't have enough faith in Bioware to make is a non-issue. I feel like they'd make more out of it than they need to. Though I don't really see it being an important part of a character's identity. Why would it be? It's a stressful and terrible experience. I'd imagine they'd want to get as far away from that as possible.

 

I'd be completely okay with a character being transgender as something unimportant about their past, something that isn't treated with surprise and not something that gives the character constant angst. I just don't think Bioware can do that, especially not the ME team.

 

 

I don't see that kind of thing as going away in 150 years. The medical tech might change for the better, but unless society does as well, there will sadly still be bigotry and intolerance towards anyone who is different compared than the majority.

But why can't society change? It already did with the rest of the LGBT community. Not to mention that because of said advanced tech, trans people would be living in "stealth", and no one would likely know they are even transgender unless they tell them.

 

 

As for the last part, what's to say society in ME didn't already achieve that utopia where you can change your gender with medical and people stop being discriminated toward transgender people? Instead of using transgender to tell about their struggle and preaching to the audience like with Dorian and Krem. Maybe they could use it to show the advancement of medical in the ME universe. It would make the issue not about the transgender but about the ME universe and expand on the lore somewhat. 

Yes. I don't want them to repeat what they did with Dorian or Krem. And ME is a perfect opportunity for them to do it better, because society is something closer to Star Trek than medieval.

[o Ventus]

 

Every man in the world is genetically "trans," every human starts life as female and that is a fact. 

 

 

This is actually not true. I don't know how this idea got started, but it has been pretty thoroughly debunked. The very first stage of a fetus in development is more or less an amorphous glob of cells with no defining characteristics. Then the rough humanoid outline is formed after some development and tissue that will later become genitalia will begin to form inside the abdomen. The fetus is neither male nor female at this stage in development. If the fetus is male, then the tissue comes together and forms the basis of the penis, with 2 small organs forming in the abdominal area that will become the testes, later descending from the abdomen to the scrotum toward the end of pregnancy (though it is not uncommon for the testes of newly-born boys to remain in the abdomen until after birth). If the fetus is female, then the tissue separates and becomes the labia and vagina, with the 2 small organs forming in the abdominal area and become ovaries, and stay there. At this point during development, a male fetus will have already began forming sperm cells in the testes and female fetuses will already have their entire lifetime's supply of eggs. During this time the chromosomes in the DNA strands of the fetus are still synthesizing and coming together, with the sex of the fetus determined roughly 22 weeks after conception, on average.

 

Human fetuses are not gendered right at the start of gestation, they start as an agender base which is then extrapolated into male or female depending on the levels of estrogen and testosterone that the fetus is exposed to in-utero. Fetuses do not "begin female". And it should go without saying but this is disregarding things like birth defects, I'm assuming normal human fetal development.

 

edit: I began another sentence and then totally forgot to finish it.

[BansheeOwnage]

The insensitive part is that there is an undercurrent to discrimination against trans people that their nature is 'deceptive.' That's where the term 'trap' as a pejorative comes into play. You frame it as a reasonable concern people would have in the situation you created, but the issue is that the situation you created would feel contrived to validate the bogus fear some people have about trans people to begin with.

This was something I was referring to in my previous post by the way, in the sense that even though this kind of discrimination is wrong, and abhorrent, it would be much less of an issue in ME simply because trans people could pass much easier in all aspects, regardless of whether society has changed for the better (which it seems like it has).

[Battlebloodmage]

I dunno, it seems hard to swallow that Mass Effect would be a perfect utopia where LGBT individuals are treated with the same amount of respect as anyone else... but there are still people around who clearly have the attitude that "aliens, they're only here to steal our jobs and take our women!"

 

I suppose humanity might be more inclined to let human prejudices go first, before extending that courtesy to our interstellar neighbours. Still, given that it's part and parcel of the same basic issue about overcoming prejudice, you'd imagine one would go with the other?

 

Isn't there a female NPC in the embassy in ME3 who comments on their family abandoning them for having married an Asari? The Asari are even older hats at this than we are and they still sometimes show prejudice towards Asari who married Krogan or Batarians. It doesn't seem like society has progressed that far towards such a utopian ideal.

Why not? It's a fictional world where gays are being treated as a non-issue, where Cortez mentioned being married to a man didn't get a follow up question like "you're married to a man?". They have already established a world where gays are being treated as normal, why should they make a world where transgender people are being treated as different?

 

Fantasy racism has no real life impact, but real life issues can affect real life people. It's like if the geth was some sort of real life human race, it would create a bigger dilemma to commit genocide against them than a fantasy robotic race. They can have fantasy racism but just leave the real world issues out of this.