So we know that lyrium "sings" and that even normal lyrium, over time, will destroy a Templar's mind.
Red Lyrium, being tainted by the Blight, increases this effect by a hundredfold or more, turning people dangerously psychotic. However, even if their weakest form, we also know that Red Templars are immensely strong and durable.
So, what if we gave Red Lyrium to Grey Wardens? They are imune to the Bligth so, would they only enjoy the benefits of it without the drawbacks?
No idea.
The wardens are resistant to the type of blight brought back from the Golden City .
But blighted lyrium doesn't have the same exact effect , the lyrium eats people and grow .
The Architect had some ways to make the Blight in wardens spread faster , because they are not immune to the Blight , the Joining give them a type of resistance (that can be nullified ) for 20 years or so.
The only way to know would be to feed red lyrium to a Grey Warden and watch what happens.
But I imagine it wouldn't be good either way , because eating lyrium isn't what I would call a bright idea.
Yeah, most likely the red lyrium will consume them. Slower than normal and probably a decreased chance of death (unlike untainted people) but they'll still be corrupted.
Wardens aren't immune to the Taint, afterall. They're just resistant to it, much like Dragons
Still, one wonders if, with one great big sacrifice, Thedas could eradicate the Darkspawn.
Create as many Grey Wardens as possible, feed them Red Lyrium and undertake a massive campaign in the Deep Roads, pushing foward, killing every darkspawn and Broodmother there is.
Still, one wonders if, with one great big sacrifice, Thedas could eradicate the Darkspawn.
Create as many Grey Wardens as possible, feed them Red Lyrium and undertake a massive campaign in the Deep Roads, pushing foward, killing every darkspawn and Broodmother there is.
I don't believe Thedas would be able to get rid of Darkspawn by brute force.
I think the Deep Roads are just ...if I was a Grey Warden and someone asked me to make a plan to take over the Deep Roads and get it rid of darkspawn , I think I would cry in despair.
Best chance you get is when most of the darkspawn are busy digging (or on their way to dig) an Old God , but it seems the darkspawn are legions.
Pocket of broodmothers would be elsewhere , and the Deep Roads are huge , bigger than what the current dwarves think it is , because they lost part of their history even before the First Blight.(Primeval Thaig , Titans etc...)
On top of it darkspawn also dig their own tunnels. 
So we know that lyrium "sings" and that even normal lyrium, over time, will destroy a Templar's mind.
Red Lyrium, being tainted by the Blight, increases this effect by a hundredfold or more, turning people dangerously psychotic. However, even if their weakest form, we also know that Red Templars are immensely strong and durable.
So, what if we gave Red Lyrium to Grey Wardens? They are imune to the Bligth so, would they only enjoy the benefits of it without the drawbacks?
They might not experience the physical effects, but they have no special immunity to the dementia inducing effects of any kind of lyrium.
In the dark future, didn't the mind controlled wardens + demon army go to the deep roads and killed the remaining old gods?
They might not experience the physical effects, but they have no special immunity to the dementia inducing effects of any kind of lyrium.
The fact that lyrium causes dementia after decades of continuous usage is irrelevant since Grey Wardens have only 30 years to live to begin with, give or take.
However, if Grey Warden immunity or resistance to the Blight means that they are unaffected by the Red Lyrium - induced madness while still retaining its superhuman properties; which makes sense considering the fact the Taint already enhances Grey Wardens to some extent; then they could become nary unstoppable killing machines.
In the dark future, didn't the mind controlled wardens + demon army go to the deep roads and killed the remaining old gods?
That's not what Cory wanted them for.
The fact that lyrium causes dementia after decades of continuous usage is irrelevant since Grey Wardens have only 30 years to live to begin with, give or take.
However, if Grey Warden immunity or resistance to the Blight means that they are unaffected by the Red Lyrium - induced madness while still retaining its superhuman properties; which makes sense considering the fact the Taint already enhances Grey Wardens to some extent; then they could become nary unstoppable killing machines.
So, what if we gave Red Lyrium to Grey Wardens?
I suspect Grey Wardens already take the stuff.
Think about it: the concoction a Warden must drink during the Joining ceremony contains Lyrium, Darkspawn and Archdemon Blood, plus other non-described ingredients.
So here's another of my pet theories: it's not the tainted blood that inoculates the Wardens from the Taint: the blood is used to contaminate minute quantities of healthy Lyrium, and that is what gives the Grey Wardens their abilities before eventually overwhelming them.
I suspect Grey Wardens already take the stuff.
Think about it: the concoction a Warden must drink during the Joining ceremony contains Lyrium, Darkspawn and Archdemon Blood, plus other non-described ingredients.
So here's another of my pet theories: it's not the tainted blood that inoculates the Wardens from the Taint: the blood is used to contaminate minute quantities of healthy Lyrium, and that is what gives the Grey Wardens their abilities before eventually overwhelming them.
I do recall that Gaider explained how the joining works and that lyrium and archdemon blood are not necessary,good if you have them both but they are not vital.
That sounds like... the sort of thing the Wardens would try.
I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
Red lyrium does not provide superhumans abilities it only did it with Meredith and it was not simple red lyrium.
Yes it does and Meredith's Red Lyrium was just like any other.
"The soldiers looked like normal men and women, but they rained down blows so hard it numbed my arm through my shield. It took me three minutes to kill just one, and he only stopped when I cut off his head!"
http://dragonage.wik...ar_Foot_Soldier
"The templar bastard cut him down without a word! A dozen of us against three of them, and we never got a strike past their shields. They're stronger than any man I've known. The templars swung full tower shields of metal like they weighed nothing."
http://dragonage.wik...mplar_Guardsman
And those are only the most normal looking Red Templars. I shouldn't have to explain why a Behemoth is superhuman.
I don't see any evidence of grey wardens of being empowered by the taint other than the tuning powers the senior GW gains or the mutations that only the animals gain.
The simple fact that Grey Wardens can sense and be sense by Darkspawn is already evidence of how the Joining alters their bodies.
Then there is Avernus' potion which was created after extensive experimentation on Grey Wardens and whose purpose is to tap into the potential inherent in Tainted Blood and give the Warden who drinks special abilities.
This, added with Morrigan's comment of how Grey Wardens have increased stamina is sufficient evidence to believe that the Joining turns Wardens into quasi-superhumans.
One would assume the Warden's unique resistance to the blight would mitigate many of the issues associated with Red Lyrium (at least the additional blighted components). The other aspects (the improved potency for example, which imply simply upgraded natural aspects of natural Lyrium) would have similar effects on the Warden as their resistance to Darkspawn corruption does not translate to resistance to the negative reactions of Lyrium. A Warden Mage (like any Mage) would go absolutely bonkers if exposed to the refined stuff, others non mages would simply suffer from over-exposure to lyrium, go mad and die.
The simple fact that Grey Wardens can sense and be sense by Darkspawn is already evidence of how the Joining alters their bodies.
Then there is Avernus' potion which was created after extensive experimentation on Grey Wardens and whose purpose is to tap into the potential inherent in Tainted Blood and give the Warden who drinks special abilities.
This, added with Morrigan's comment of how Grey Wardens have increased stamina is sufficient evidence to believe that the Joining turns Wardens into quasi-superhumans.
(Can't believe I just realized this)
...they are mortals who were transformed by a highly-dangerous but highly powerful ritual that includes infusing their body with magical substances that essentially transforms their boodies...that permits them to fight monsters in a way no normal mortal can.
Is anybody else getting a Witcher vibe?
On the first part i'm skeptical,i don't know how much credit i can give to codex of inexpert people about red Lyrium especially when in game red templars are nothing special but i'm willing to dismiss it as a form of segregation gameplay/lore.Yes it does and Meredith's Red Lyrium was just like any other.
"The soldiers looked like normal men and women, but they rained down blows so hard it numbed my arm through my shield. It took me three minutes to kill just one, and he only stopped when I cut off his head!"
http://dragonage.wik...ar_Foot_Soldier
"The templar bastard cut him down without a word! A dozen of us against three of them, and we never got a strike past their shields. They're stronger than any man I've known. The templars swung full tower shields of metal like they weighed nothing."
http://dragonage.wik...mplar_Guardsman
And those are only the most normal looking Red Templars. I shouldn't have to explain why a Behemoth is superhuman.
The simple fact that Grey Wardens can sense and be sense by Darkspawn is already evidence of how the Joining alters their bodies.
Then there is Avernus' potion which was created after extensive experimentation on Grey Wardens and whose purpose is to tap into the potential inherent in Tainted Blood and give the Warden who drinks special abilities.
This, added with Morrigan's comment of how Grey Wardens have increased stamina is sufficient evidence to believe that the Joining turns Wardens into quasi-superhumans.
On the first part i'm skeptical,i don't know how much credit i can give to codex of inexpert people about red Lyrium especially when in game red templars are nothing special but i'm willing to dismiss it as a form of segregation gameplay/lore.
The fact is that red lyrium is not the basic taint and it make people insane so any magical improvement they gain is overshadowed by the cost they have to pay for it.
Meredith had powers that were unique and the idol was channeling red lyrium, it was an elaborate artifact to with whom she had the possibility to fly and use several others magical properties never used by regular red templars.
On the second part i disagree since those are not evidences that demonstrate any physical improvement the GW gains from the taint or any super human power, it merely show that the taint has magical powers.
As far as i'm concerned the dark passage is the only ability of the power of blood which improve the warden skills permanently and without costs,all the others are just magical non permanent powers that require a cost.
Morrigan sarcastic comments aren't an evidence thus i don't see why you view GW as superhumans?
When they can just sense darkspawns at the cost of being sense in return....
Avernus's Power of Blood shows us that Grey Wardens cannot fully tap into the power of the Blight. But that vial we drunk did give even greater speed and strength, you can check the skillset to prove this. Normal Grey Wardens do get a enhancement over a normal warrior just not on a superhuman level, solely because Wardens dont have natural access to the full power of the taint. The Power of Blood turns us to like a Captain America of Wardens, do not have super strength or speed but we are at the peak of natural human abilities if not push slightly more. And Archdemons and The Magisters like Cory or Architect have proved there is much power in the blight. For example darkspawn can not use magic via access to the fade they do not draw magic the same way a regular mage may, the genlock necromancer we meet in Origins can use his magic by drawing it from the Blight. A average Grey Warden does not have that level of control or exposure of the taint to draw is magic from there if they are a mage. But I believe if a Grey Warden were to have massive control of the taint or at least knowledge on how to get that control they can become pesudo-immortal like Cory or Archdemons.
German Soldier, we can clearly see the powers exhibited by Red Templars. Horrors can shoot shards of red lyrium from their hands and can generate barriers. Red Templar Knights can transform other Red Templars into Horrors. Behemoths — who are huge monsters, I'll note — can create walls of red lyrium.
Also, the Red Templars themselves talk about how the red lyrium has made them stronger than they were before. If you go to Therinfal Redoubt, you can find this note:
Marion,
I'm getting the same headaches, but everyone on the red stuff says they'll pass. You'll feel stronger before long. I finally beat Sergeant Pollet during sparring yesterday. Twice! The look on his face!
I hear they're increasing rations for anyone on red lyrium. Let's practice together tomorrow. I need to train with someone who can keep pace.
Venner
in game red templars are nothing special
You should never use the PC as a baseline for comparison. The Inquisitor and their companions are meant to be exceptional people capable of hacking through dozens upon dozens of enemies.
Even so, I've had some very difficult fights against Red Templars. Those Shadows ... 
So we know that lyrium "sings" and that even normal lyrium, over time, will destroy a Templar's mind.
Red Lyrium, being tainted by the Blight, increases this effect by a hundredfold or more, turning people dangerously psychotic. However, even if their weakest form, we also know that Red Templars are immensely strong and durable.
So, what if we gave Red Lyrium to Grey Wardens? They are imune to the Bligth so, would they only enjoy the benefits of it without the drawbacks?
They aren't immune to the Blight taint, it only takes longer to corrupt them. 
Giving lyrium would result in them becoming as mad as an elderly templar, as you put it. They'd be suscetible to two songs: the Titan's song and the Calling. Quite the schizophrenia you've got there.
We don't know where the second comes from. We do know DA:O states it comes from the Archdemons, but DA:I shows a dragon was used by a Magister for him to store a piece of his soul and become immortal. So the Calling doesn't stem from the dragon's mind. It stems from the mage who performed the spell in the first place.
It was either the Ancient Magisters of Tevinter who caused the First Breach 1,400 years ago or the mage rulers of Arlathan. I bet it's the second. The Magisters heard the same voice coming from the dragons and legend states they learned "the secrets of magic in Hushed Whispers". So the dragons already carried a bit of soul inside them, placed there by the first mage rulers in Thedosian History: the Evanuris.
That's only my opinion, though.
The Joining Ritual uses lyrium and Darkspawn blood, right?
The Joining Ritual uses lyrium and Darkspawn blood, right?
Yup. But a person only goes mad from lyrium after he/she is exposed repeatedly to it in the long term. Such is the duty of the templars, sanctioned by the Chantry in the name of combating magic.
If you only use it once, it's mostly harmless.
The Joining Ritual uses lyrium and Darkspawn blood, right?
So... there is a chance Wardens are drinking red lyrium then? Why haven't we figured this out before?! That would explain their powers, since the amount of lyrium ingested would be minuscule. Enough to enhance them somewhat and kill them very slowly, but not enough to physically deform them like red templars. Hmm...
So... there is a chance Wardens are drinking red lyrium then? Why haven't we figured this out before?! That would explain their powers, since the amount of lyrium ingested would be minuscule. Enough to enhance them somewhat and kill them very slowly, but not enough to physically deform them like red templars. Hmm...
Probably not.
Red Lyrium probably was created in a more complicated manner than Blight+ Lyrium.
Otherwise with darkspawn chilling in the Deep Roads where lyrium is mined , we would have found red lyrium ages ago.
And red lyrium eats you alive and turns you into more red lyrium , wardens end up as ghouls.
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