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[BansheeOwnage]

Probably not.

Red Lyrium probably was created in a more complicated manner than Blight+ Lyrium.

Otherwise with darkspawn chilling in the Deep Roads where lyrium is mined , we would have found red lyrium ages ago.

 

And red lyrium eats you alive and turns you into more red lyrium , wardens end up as ghouls.

Well, I think it is supposed to be as simple as lyrium+blight, since it gets infected like any other living organism. I think not finding more of it in the Deep Roads might honestly be unintentional an oversight brought on by adding world-shattering lore as they go.

[Illegitimus]

The fact that lyrium causes dementia after decades of continuous usage is irrelevant since Grey Wardens have only 30 years to live to begin with, give or take.

 

However, if Grey Warden immunity or resistance to the Blight means that they are unaffected by the Red Lyrium - induced madness while still retaining its superhuman properties; which makes sense considering the fact the Taint already enhances Grey Wardens to some extent; then they could become nary unstoppable killing machines.
 

 

The dementia inducing effects of blue lyrium are not an issue yes.  But red lyrium can cause dementia independent of its physical effects in a matter of only a few years and doesn't require physical infection.  

[German Soldier]

The red lyrium will only probably accelerate the spread of the taint within their body and make them collapse to the calling.

[German Soldier]

Avernus's Power of Blood shows us that Grey Wardens cannot fully tap into the power of the Blight. But that vial we drunk did give even greater speed and strength, you can check the skillset to prove this. Normal Grey Wardens do get a enhancement over a normal warrior just not on a superhuman level, solely because Wardens dont have natural access to the full power of the taint. The Power of Blood turns us to like a Captain America of Wardens, do not have super strength or speed but we are at the peak of natural human abilities if not push slightly more. And Archdemons and The Magisters like Cory or Architect have proved there is much power in the blight. For example darkspawn can not use magic via access to the fade they do not draw magic the same way a regular mage may, the genlock necromancer we meet in Origins can use his magic by drawing it from the Blight. A average Grey Warden does not have that level of control or exposure of the taint to draw is magic from there if they are a mage. But I believe if a Grey Warden were to have massive control of the taint or at least knowledge on how to get that control they can become pesudo-immortal like Cory or Archdemons. 

Those are all magical improvements not physicals.

The taint carries magical powers and those powers are used to improve speed and strength at the cost of life force to be activated they eventually will lead to the calling.

Is not real physical improvement is just the warden who is tapping into the taint to gain it's magical properties at the cost of consuming their blood.

 

German Soldier, we can clearly see the powers exhibited by Red Templars. Horrors can shoot shards of red lyrium from their hands and can generate barriers. Red Templar Knights can transform other Red Templars into Horrors. Behemoths — who are huge monsters, I'll note — can create walls of red lyrium.

 

Also, the Red Templars themselves talk about how the red lyrium has made them stronger than they were before. If you go to Therinfal Redoubt, you can find this note:

 

Marion,

 

I'm getting the same headaches, but everyone on the red stuff says they'll pass. You'll feel stronger before long. I finally beat Sergeant Pollet during sparring yesterday. Twice! The look on his face!

 

I hear they're increasing rations for anyone on red lyrium. Let's practice together tomorrow. I need to train with someone who can keep pace.

 

Venner

 

 

 

You should never use the PC as a baseline for comparison. The Inquisitor and their companions are meant to be exceptional people capable of hacking through dozens upon dozens of enemies.

 

Even so, I've had some very difficult fights against Red Templars. Those Shadows ...

Ok but red templars aren't GW in order to gain those physical improvements pumped through magical doping they have to lose their own mental sanity and their body become twisted.

A GW who is using this substance will most likely accelerate the spread of the taint and increase powers at the cost of become senile.

The only exception was Meredith because she was using a tool developed from the idol that allowed her to gain those powers from the sword thus she didn't sacrificed her blood to gain those powers,that she exaggerated and abused it is another matter.

[Hellion Rex]

Huh. This is an interesting question.

 

 

Also, food for thought: Now I think we know why the First Warden was so interested in the Primeval Thaig...

[Almostfaceman]

 

Those are all magical improvements not physicals.

 

I'm not sure I understand your argument. Are you saying that if you gain in strength and dexterity because of the magical effects of something, like red lyrium or darkspawn blood, it's not physical improvements? 

[Dai Grepher]

The Warden using red lyrium would gain the benefits, and the corruption process would be slower than with the templars. But it would increase the rate at which the taint overtakes the Warden's body. The voices might be more manageable, but eventually the Warden would lose his mind as would naturally happen.

However, a Warden who drank the Avernus' Alchemic Concoction "The Power of Blood" might have even greater resistance to the red lyrium, and may be able to tap into more of its powers. This would probably be especially true of a bloodmage Grey Warden.

[Aulis Vaara]

The wardens are resistant to the type of blight brought back from the Golden City .

What?

[Reznore57]

What?

 

Red Lyrium and the Blight brought back from the Golden City are not the same thing.

The Blight from the Golden city is carried by people , animals , lifeforms etc...we have broodmother , female ghoul humanoid who will birth well blighted babies.

The darkspawn are also driven crazy by the song of the old gods and go dig for Archdemons.

 

Red Lyrium doesn't quite work the same way.

Red templars aren't busy digging for the Old Gods.So it is likely they aren't hearing the old god song but something else.

Remember also Batrand who was worshipping the red lyrium idol itself and not the Old Gods and also he wasn't digging for old gods as a compulsion ,no his compulsion was force feeding red lyrium to his servants.

Red Lyrium spread the blight not by mutating some host into birthing blighted babies , but by eating the host and growing more red lyrium.

 

Also like I said above you don't put lyrium + blight near each others and you get red lyrium.Darkspawn have never been able to infect lyrium , and they live in the deep road with lyrium veins around.And darkspawn are able to taint the land and the sky...but not lyrium.

 

In Haven Solas says magic could have  corrupted the lyrium , he is talking about the blast , so the magic from his own orb.

And after the Breach red lyrium starts to grow .

[German Soldier]

I'm not sure I understand your argument. Are you saying that if you gain in strength and dexterity because of the magical effects of something, like red lyrium or darkspawn blood, it's not physical improvements? 

Something of the sort because it does not improve your physical attributes or skills(dexterity,strenght,cunning ecc..)in the case of the power of blood tree it just provide several abilities that increase the speed or the damages delivered without touching those skills above through blight magic in a non permanent way at some activation cost.

In short is a magical doping obtained by those who tap into the taint , is the substance that make you stronger for a limited amount of time with several costs it is not the body that is stronger.

[German Soldier]

Red Lyrium and the Blight brought back from the Golden City are not the same thing.

The Blight from the Golden city is carried by people , animals , lifeforms etc...we have broodmother , female ghoul humanoid who will birth well blighted babies.

The darkspawn are also driven crazy by the song of the old gods and go dig for Archdemons.

 

Red Lyrium doesn't quite work the same way.

Red templars aren't busy digging for the Old Gods.So it is likely they aren't hearing the old god song but something else.

Remember also Batrand who was worshipping the red lyrium idol itself and not the Old Gods and also he wasn't digging for old gods as a compulsion ,no his compulsion was force feeding red lyrium to his servants.

Red Lyrium spread the blight not by mutating some host into birthing blighted babies , but by eating the host and growing more red lyrium.

 

Also like I said above you don't put lyrium + blight near each others and you get red lyrium.Darkspawn have never been able to infect lyrium , and they live in the deep road with lyrium veins around.And darkspawn are able to taint the land and the sky...but not lyrium.

 

 

This what o found in the wikia:

"Red lyrium is typically found in crystalline form, as with normal lyrium. It is known to thin the Veil, allowing spirits or more likely demons to interact with the physical world, and emanates a noticeable heat.

Where it was originally found, red lyrium grew in root-like veins, again like normal lyrium. But following the opening of the Breach, it began appearing throughout the surface of all of Southern Thedas in crystalline nodes. These crystals grow almost anywhere, though the composition of the earth can affect their growth Regardless, it grows over the landscape like an infection, and once it takes root, it becomes extremely hard to completely remove. "

 

-It seems that the breach was the cause of it's spread in Thedas then it means that the breach awakened the titans and with them this form of lyrium and that Solas aware of everything never gave to us the answers as for why his Orb caused to the spread of red lyrium

 

-I personally don't have any reason to trust Bianca Daviri when she said that is just lyrium with the blight,i think red lyrium is more and since i noticed that it emulates blood magic i think red liyrium is also a for of crystallized blood magic

[Gaia300]

So we know that lyrium "sings" and that even normal lyrium, over time, will destroy a Templar's mind.

Red Lyrium, being tainted by the Blight, increases this effect by a hundredfold or more, turning people dangerously psychotic. However, even if their weakest form, we also know that Red Templars are immensely strong and durable.

 

So, what if we gave Red Lyrium to Grey Wardens? They are imune to the Bligth so, would they only enjoy the benefits of it without the drawbacks?

I don't think it will end well since i read that is a form of parasitic relationship in which red lyrium eventually turn the person into a behemoth,Grey warden are not immune to it.

[Aulis Vaara]

Red Lyrium and the Blight brought back from the Golden City are not the same thing.
The Blight from the Golden city is carried by people , animals , lifeforms etc...we have broodmother , female ghoul humanoid who will birth well blighted babies.
The darkspawn are also driven crazy by the song of the old gods and go dig for Archdemons.
 
Red Lyrium doesn't quite work the same way.
Red templars aren't busy digging for the Old Gods.So it is likely they aren't hearing the old god song but something else.
Remember also Batrand who was worshipping the red lyrium idol itself and not the Old Gods and also he wasn't digging for old gods as a compulsion ,no his compulsion was force feeding red lyrium to his servants.
Red Lyrium spread the blight not by mutating some host into birthing blighted babies , but by eating the host and growing more red lyrium.
 
Also like I said above you don't put lyrium + blight near each others and you get red lyrium.Darkspawn have never been able to infect lyrium , and they live in the deep road with lyrium veins around.And darkspawn are able to taint the land and the sky...but not lyrium.
 
In Haven Solas says magic could have  corrupted the lyrium , he is talking about the blast , so the magic from his own orb.
And after the Breach red lyrium starts to grow .

Ah, I thought you were suggesting there was yet a third type of Taint loose on Thedas.

[Dai Grepher]

http://dragonage.wik...er_About_Lyrium

To Paxley,

I've seen the transformations. It's a horror to watch your soldiers' faces change, to realize they might not remember you day-to-day; it's a sword in the guts. But the ones who make it through are near invincible.

Feed elfroot to the soldiers hurting, as much as they want. Beyond that, it's just waiting until they stop feeling pain. Remind them they spread the lyrium. It grows at our touch; with the "materials" I've sent, they'll grow enough for a dozen armies. It's proof we're on the right path, that any suffering is worthwhile. Remind them.

Samson

Red lyrium spreads at the touch of a red templar. So it seems it is spread through some kind of magic. I wouldn't rule out that Darkspawn can corrupt lyrium into red lyrium, but this shows that magic is another way to make it spread.


http://dragonage.wik...ry:_The_Profane

We who are forgotten, remember,
We clawed at rock until our fingers bled,
We cried out for justice, but were unheard.
Our children wept in hunger,
And so we feasted upon the gods.
Here we wait, in aeons of silence.
We few, we profane.

—Found scrawled on a wall in the lost Revann Thaig by explorer Faruma Helmi, 5:10 Exalted. Unknown author.

Either dwarves, or demons ate lyrium and became profane. The reference to "gods" probably means the titans.


http://dragonage.wik...n_in_Red_Lyrium

We are here
We have waited
We have slept
We are sundered
We are crippled
We are polluted
We endure
We wait
We have found the dreams again
We will awaken

This may indicate that those who die due to red lyrium are having their souls sucked into it, which could be the case with dwarves who die and "return to the stone", only they go to regular blue lyrium. This might be what gives titans their consciousness.

Cole states that red templars hear the song behind the door old whispers want opened. Templars recognize the song as different from the song of normal lyrium. Cole also calls the red lyrium's song "angry".

So perhaps red lyrium is part of a tainted titan. And all the souls lost to red lyrium go to it, becoming part of its consciousness.

Another theory that might work with this is that the Maker's curse on the Magisters Sidereal, being magical itself, is picked up by the lyrium and thus transmitted magically. This also explains why it can thin the Veil and help demons manifest in the real world. So the taint travels physically, but the "red" travels magically. Red lyrium creates more of itself through magic. The taint creates more of itself through physical means, and possibly some magical means as well.

[Dai Grepher]

Also, normal templars like Meredith and Samson have shown resistance to red lyrium. Seekers are also said to have a high resistance because their minds were touched by a Spirit of Faith.

Yet, the red lyrium can still infect the body as the taint does. Which was the case with Daniel.

So it seems red lyrium is more magical than physical, while the taint is more physical than magical.

Perhaps the powers of red lyrium are similar to the powers of blood that Avernus was researching. Maybe this is what his important discovery was.

[ModernAcademic]

We have found the dreams again
We will awaken

 

 

Dreams = world of dreams = Fade?

 

Dwarves can't dream. Possibly because they came from the Stone, and the Stone can't dream?

If they found a way to enter the Fade again - in their minds -, then did the Stone "wake up"?

 

What does that mean?

 

There's a theory that some Titans were severed from the Fade during that past war, when aTitan was cast down. Were they condemned to be in the material world forever, severed from the other world? The Titan was made Tranquil and thus could no longer dream? Same with the dwarves, his children, which is why they can't use magic?

 

So the hole in the Fade woke those Tranquil Titans up? Is that it?