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Why the griffins were prerogative of the GW?


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I don't understand why griffins are extinct,i cannot reasonably think that all the griffins of the world were kept in captivity by the Grey wardens and there were not those in a wild state.

It's like saying that all the horses of the world are with one single group and that wild horses don't exist.



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Have you read Last Flight?

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So all of them even those who were not with the GW and far away were killed by some magic?how did it spread?

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So all of them even those who were not with the GW and far away were killed by some magic?how did it spread?

If it was anything like the blight, then it could have been done by exposure to corrupted blood or infected tissue. In which case, it would imply a certain amount of physical contact (which fighting tends to do).

It is assumed that the wardens knew and were in possession of all (or almost all) Griffon breeding grounds and their habitats, and since there was no way to move or relocate these breeding grounds, a disease running rampant to such an isolated population may very well wipe them out if the joining was introduced to them.

 

Somehow I don't think the wardens thought about doing an isolated "test trial" before they started mass producing these tainted griffons. Very likely the travel and use of these tainted griffons going over to other Warden outposts and their corresponding breeding grounds, is part of why it spread as much as it did.



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So all of them even those who were not with the GW and far away were killed by some magic?how did it spread?

Like a plague, from griffin to griffin.  And if there are any substantial wild griffin populations, they aren't in Thedas.



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So all of them even those who were not with the GW and far away were killed by some magic?how did it spread?

 

Magic. Seriously, that's the answer. And it's not clear in the book if there were any wild griffins, the book only deals with the ones the Wardens had.

 

A bigger problem for me is the idea that the Wardens can return the species from extinction using only a dozen or so eggs. Apparently the author based the number of eggs off a successful effort to save a breed of cat that used a similar number of animals, but it sounds to me that a dozen is too small to revive a species, especially with inbreeding concerns. Supposedly the minimum number of humans needed to maintain a viable population is about 500.



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A bigger problem for me is the idea that the Wardens can return the species from extinction using only a dozen or so eggs. Apparently the author based the number of eggs off a successful effort to save a breed of cat that used a similar number of animals, but it sounds to me that a dozen is too small to revive a species, especially with inbreeding concerns. Supposedly the minimum number of humans needed to maintain a viable population is about 500.


Other species have been brought down to similarly low numbers and still survived. And you have to factor magic into the equation as well. I imagine magic can go a long way to assisting genetic diversity.
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Like a plague, from griffin to griffin. And if there are any substantial wild griffin populations, they aren't in Thedas.

This is possibile, some Griffins may be simply into another continent

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Magic. Seriously, that's the answer. And it's not clear in the book if there were any wild griffins, the book only deals with the ones the Wardens had.

A bigger problem for me is the idea that the Wardens can return the species from extinction using only a dozen or so eggs. Apparently the author based the number of eggs off a successful effort to save a breed of cat that used a similar number of animals, but it sounds to me that a dozen is too small to revive a species, especially with inbreeding concerns. Supposedly the minimum number of humans needed to maintain a viable population is about 500.

That's what i meant unless this magic was a form of virus that could spread by breath i don't see why they are all dead.
If they were all across the continent.

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It's been a while since I read Last Flight, but weren't there instances of griffins that never came in contact with infected griffins who also got sick?



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It's been a while since I read Last Flight, but weren't there instances of griffins that never came in contact with infected griffins who also got sick?

 

Yes. It was a magical plague, so it didn't spread like a conventional disease.



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A bigger problem for me is the idea that the Wardens can return the species from extinction using only a dozen or so eggs. Apparently the author based the number of eggs off a successful effort to save a breed of cat that used a similar number of animals, but it sounds to me that a dozen is too small to revive a species, especially with inbreeding concerns. Supposedly the minimum number of humans needed to maintain a viable population is about 500.

 

There are actually isolated animal populations thought to have been founded by a single pregnant individual - that's one of the way you get new subspecies (and eventually new species, if they diverge enough from their ancestors.) You could google 'island ecology' and 'founder effect' for more info if you're interested.

 

If the hatchlings don't have any nasty recessive genes, interbreeding them could lead to a sustainable population in a few generations. (On the other hand, if they do have nasty recessive genes, they're probably screwed.)