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[German Soldier]

Yeah Cassandra is a monster for being romantic and appreciating someone who is willing to do things that make her happy. It's almost like she resembles most human relationships.

How is enjoying being wooed in a traditional method analogous to demanding an expensive wedding? I'm missing the middle step in this leap of logic.

You clearly missed the fact that the first part of the post was a copy paste from another user whom i mostly agree,i copied the post as it was and even specified where it was German soldier post.

Among all the characters i mentioned i have no issue with Cassandra thus suffice to say that unless you want to argue about any of the others i don't see the issue.

Also did i ever said that Cassandra is a monster?

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Cullen is a junkie trying to break away from drugs (unless you force him to continue taking drugs but I'm not sure if you can if you romance him) and Cassandra demands courting before she accepts your feelings.

Idk, all the relationships have certain degree of **** to them, which is great.

That is nothing just small issues

[Catilina]

 

You clearly missed the fact that the first part of the post was a copy paste from another user whom i mostly agree,i copied the post as it was and even specified where it was German soldier post.

Among all the characters i mentioned i have no issue with Cassandra thus suffice to say that unless you want to argue about any of the others i don't see the issue.

Also did i ever said that Cassandra is a monster?

 

Sorry then, I misunderstanded too. (A quotation marks might have preceded the misunderstanding, although I'm not a great scholar of the English language then maybe I'm wrong)

 

[RenAdaar]

They seem more like character flaws then toxic relationships. 

[Jackup28]

I like the romances it gives the game flavor!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Isn't Cass the one in Trespasser you don't end up getting married to? Or one of them? I'm no Trespasser wedding expert. 

She is one of the ones you can't marry, yes. The only LIs in DAI you can marry are Cullen and Sera.

[RenAdaar]

She is one of the ones you can't marry, yes. The only LIs in DAI you can marry are Cullen and Sera.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

i still believe most of them are unhealty

This is what i'm doing right now aside from posting!

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think the only relationship in DAI that's definitely bad for the Inquisitor is the one with Solas, for obvious reasons. You could argue that the Blackwall romance is, too. (My Inquisitor who romanced him wouldn't agree, though.)
 

Other than that - your relationship with Iron Bull ends in the worst possible way if you tell him to sacrifice the Chargers, but if you don't it's happy and positive. And monogamous, if that is a thing you care about. Sera and a Dalish elf might go bad in a less dramatic way after the Temple of Mythal.

 

So that leaves Cassandra, Cullen, Josephine and Dorian - half the romances in the game - which are not 'toxic' in any way. Sure, none of them are perfect people, but I don't think any of those relationships are unhealthy.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I think the only relationship in DAI that's definitely bad for the Inquisitor is the one with Solas, for obvious reasons. You could argue that the Blackwall romance is, too. (My Inquisitor who romanced him wouldn't agree, though.)
 

Other than that - your relationship with Iron Bull ends in the worst possible way if you tell him to sacrifice the Chargers, but if you don't it's happy and positive. And monogamous, if that is a thing you care about. Sera and a Dalish elf might go bad in a less dramatic way after the Temple of Mythal.

 

So that leaves Cassandra, Cullen, Josephine and Dorian - half the romances in the game - which are not 'toxic' in any way. Sure, none of them are perfect people, but I don't think any of those relationships are unhealthy.

but Dorian...the slavery thing...

and what about DAII?Ah the romances of that game.....

[Catilina]

Now german soldier post

 

Honorable mentions are:

-Merril and the Audacity issues

-Fenris and his hatred for  mages

-Sebastian and his relationship which is forced to be a "spiritual marriage" ,

-Iron bull whom romance is havy slanted toward promiscuity

-Blackwall which deceived you

-Alistair whom relationship is very fragile and require your PC to make great sacrifices because of the narrative

-Dorian which has no issues with slavery

 

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I don't have any  issue with Cassandra.

 

Fenris romance is not unhealty, because by the time he undertake the relationship with Hawke he practically leave his hatred behind himself.

 

Dorian romance nothing to do with slavery. (Anyway Dorian has always lived among slaves, completely different relationship with them. For him the slaves' exist are natural. Lifestyle, not certitude. People are very easy to turn a blind eye, such is human nature. Likely you can convince him. If not, it really can be toxic the relationship.)

 

I dont think that the problem with Merrill immense. Especially if she break the Eluvian.

 

Alistair is fine I guess.

[nightscrawl]

There is a difference between something that is "unhealthy," that is damaging to either person in the long or short term, and something that has emotional or angsty components.

 

I am quite satisfied with the way the Dorian romance plays out as it does for both men in the relationship. For Dorian, there is healing and growth involved, and it seems an overall positive experience for him. My Inquisitor is certainly not pleased that they will be apart, but sees the necessity of it. But I don't think that any of it is unhealthy.

 

 

[edit]

It's not merely about disliking some aspect of a person's personality, or disagreeing with them on some issue (like with Dorian on slavery). It is about whether the relationship itself is damaging in some way to either person, or based around negative components like deceit and abuse.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 24 avril 2016 - 01:37 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Congratulations. 

I wish I could be joining you in celebration. 

[Xerrai]

I think the only relationship in DAI that's definitely bad for the Inquisitor is the one with Solas, for obvious reasons. You could argue that the Blackwall romance is, too. (My Inquisitor who romanced him wouldn't agree, though.)
 

Other than that - your relationship with Iron Bull ends in the worst possible way if you tell him to sacrifice the Chargers, but if you don't it's happy and positive. And monogamous, if that is a thing you care about. Sera and a Dalish elf might go bad in a less dramatic way after the Temple of Mythal.

 

So that leaves Cassandra, Cullen, Josephine and Dorian - half the romances in the game - which are not 'toxic' in any way. Sure, none of them are perfect people, but I don't think any of those relationships are unhealthy.

 

I don't know....Cullen kinda gets edges toward the "unhealthy" relationship too. What with the drug (lyrium) addiction and the mood swings that could come with it. Plus he's dealing with PTSD or something similar. And these are things that could have easily turned into a bad things if the symptoms reached a point to where he--say--hit the Inquisitor (maker forbid) because of withdrawal symptoms.

It all may be result of his duty in the military and the stress and obligations that comes with it, and it may have even turned out well in this particular case, but PTSD drug addicts usually edge toward the "unhealthy" category in terms of relationships due to their mental instability. 

[mrs_anomaly]

*Thedas is a tumultuous place with agonizingly horrible black and white decisions top to bottom, bottom to top, so my PC's get love where love is, beggars can't be choosers and besides where does it say our PC is perfect? Generally speaking there are many characteristics of our Inquisitor that can get her in trouble as far as moral ground is concerned or qualms in a relationship- I don't care to list them but they exist if you consider your position in the game. Besides knowing btw the end of the world is nigh, I say if you can, take comfort in a warm bed with someone you love and forget the rest. 

 

 

*I'm a romantic down to my bones though! 

[RenAdaar]

Congratulations. 

I wish I could be joining you in celebration. 

 

There there my friend, Here is a cute puppy to make you feel better.

[Andraste_Reborn]

but Dorian...the slavery thing...

 

 

But how does that affect his relationship with the Inquisitor? Having unexamined beliefs about slavery because of the society he grew up in doesn't make him a bad person, although he's wrong about that. And you can tell him so.

 

and what about DAII?Ah the romances of that game.....

 

I think the romance with Anders is inherently unhealthy, because of that whole 'lying blowing up the Chantry' thing. The others, not so much. They have their challenges to overcome, sure, but nothing that made me think that Hawke wasn't going to be happy with Isabela/Merrill/Fenris/Sebastian in the long run. Isabela commits to you, Merrill's mirror problems are resolved one way or another, Fenris comes back to you and starts to heal and you get to marry Sebastian if you're friendmancing him.

 

I don't know....Cullen kinda gets edges toward the "toxic" relationship too. What with the drug (lyrium) addiction and the mood swings that could come with it. Plus he's dealing with PTSD or something similar. And these are things that could have easily turned into a bad things if the symptoms reached a point to where he--say--hit the Inquisitor (maker forbid) because of withdrawal symptoms.

 

But none of that actually happens in the game. If you think relationships with mentally ill people are inherently unhealthy for the other person, well, I respectfully disagree.

[Andromelek]

Fenris romance is not unhealty, because by the time he undertake the relationship with Hawke he practically leave his hatred behind himself.
 
Dorian romance nothing to do with slavery. (Anyway Dorian has always lived among slaves, completely different relationship with them. For him the slaves' exist are natural. Lifestyle, not certitude. People are very easy to turn a blind eye, such is human nature. Likely you can convince him. If not, it really can be toxic the relationship.)
 
I dont think that the problem with Merrill immense. Especially if she break the Eluvian.
 
Alistair is fine I guess.
 
For others, I'm not sure.

I would argue that Merrill has little regard for her life and the life of the others, while Alistair betrays you no matter what have you done for him as long as you don't kill Loghain nothing counts.

[mrs_anomaly]

I would argue that Merrill has little regard for her life and the life of the others, while Alistair betrays you no matter what have you done for him as long as you don't kill Loghain nothing counts.

 

So do you judge that Alistair is what- unhealthy for the Warden because she needs to kill Loghain to continue on with him? I mean I suppose I take issue with that because for everyone, even IRL, there are ultimatums and lines to cross in relationships from the petty to the dead serious. Most people could rattle off a number of things that would be major deal breakers in their relationships and say this is the line that shouldn't be crossed. Throughout the entire game the Warden is aware of Alistairs family origin, his attitude, his feelings about what is going on in Fereldan and where his fealty lies. How is this demand such a surprise? The Warden knows what she was into- if she was really concerned- she could have broken up with him per Wynne's advice. 

 

You have that option- which is very healthy. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I would argue that Merrill has little regard for her life and the life of the others, while Alistair betrays you no matter what have you done for him as long as you don't kill Loghain nothing counts.

I disagree about Merrill having little regard for the lives of others. She asks Hawke to accompany her specifically so they could kill her if she turns into an abomination so that she won't hurt anyone. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

 

 

 

I think the romance with Anders is inherently unhealthy, because of that whole 'lying blowing up the Chantry' thing. The others, not so much. They have their challenges to overcome, sure, but nothing that made me think that Hawke wasn't going to be happy with Isabela/Merrill/Fenris/Sebastian in the long run. Isabela commits to you, Merrill's mirror problems are resolved one way or another, Fenris comes back to you and starts to heal and you get to marry Sebastian if you're friendmancing him.

 

 

 

Every romances of DAii pertains to a long run of time.

This Isabela person is a deceiver who put in danger the PC while with merril you have to solve the issues with a demon and they are resolved in the long run.

Sebastian may be seen as unhealthy because of the  restrictions imposed by him this are his rules....

Fenris hatred endure for all those years he remain stubborn for all those years,he make love with Hawke and then dump her for 3 years,3 years before to make a decision

[Catilina]

I would argue that Merrill has little regard for her life and the life of the others, while Alistair betrays you no matter what have you done for him as long as you don't kill Loghain nothing counts.

I think there is nothing wrong with Merrill.

You do not need to kill Loghain. Alistair will do if you do not want (Alistair is not Sebastian...).

[Addictress]

Do you expect romances in a novel or a play to be healthy? Is an RPG supposed to constantly reflect an honorable moral system, or be a vehicle through which we live out strictly moral lives? Or is the RPG a vehicle to explore stories through the shoes of the characters therein? 

 

There is a difference between Second Life and the Witcher 3. Second Life is a naked avatar into which we pour our selves and act out as if in reality (you can headcanon a role insomuch as a public facade or persona is headcanoned in reality). Something like Final Fantasy or Witcher 3 or Mass Effect, though, are role-play. There is a role and consequently a removal of our personal identities, and inherent moral decision-making, from the character we control.

[mrs_anomaly]

Also I would point out that having to slaughter through huge amounts of people, undead, zombies/taint/darkspawn and demons to get to your ultimate goal is unhealthy probably. Probably. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

So do you judge that Alistair is what- unhealthy for the Warden because she needs to kill Loghain to continue on with him? I mean I suppose I take issue with that because for everyone, even IRL, there are ultimatums and lines to cross in relationships from the petty to the dead serious.

You do realize that his ultimatum is death?He is demanding death, if the warden is against it for practical and moral reasons this "ultimatum" is  just an act of prepotency.