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[mrs_anomaly]

Just a thought- I've read all the books except The Last Flight, skipped the comics and played all DA games and DLC. 

 

So with that said there seem be some Very Annoying issues with almighty Canon. One thing I ran across here in this subforum somewhere is that someone mentioned ( couldn't find the thread again, sorry) that Fiona being cured of the taint isn't necessarily canon and I disagree. Not only is it mentioned in the books- it is also in her codex in DAI. Would this not then therefore be *drumroll* canon? 

 

Oh and therefore I'm saying a cure for being a Warden does exist and could be found by HoF or someone else in DA or in between as it were. 

[nightscrawl]

That's not how it plays out in The Calling, though. You are disregarding how her "cure" is actually portrayed, that is, no one really knows why or how it happened. It's not even hinted at in ANY way, we only have wild speculation.

 

It was essentially an accident. It's never explicitly stated exactly how she was cured. Duncan was also given the amulet, but its effects were counteracted by an enchanted dagger, or somesuch. At the end, once the amulet is gone, Fiona returns to normal. However, she is also newly pregnant. It is my belief that her unique circumstance of becoming pregnant is what saved her. Perhaps it had something to do with the amulet, or perhaps not. Perhaps it was because of Maric's dragon blood (as revealed in the comics), or perhaps not.

 

No one knows anything.

 

If it was a result of her pregnancy, it might be that particular pregnancy with that particular man, not something likely to be repeated. Even if you want to say that a tainted Alistair could impregnate the female Warden (since he will also have dragon blood), that is certainly not a "cure" for all Wardens, everywhere.

[mrs_anomaly]

That's not how it plays out in The Calling, though. You are disregarding how her "cure" is actually portrayed, that is, the no one really knows why or how it happened. It's not even hinted at in ANY way, we only have wild speculation.

 

It was essentially an accident. It's never explicitly stated exactly how she was cured. Duncan was also given the amulet, but its effects were counteracted by an enchanted dagger, or somesuch. At the end, once the amulet is gone, Fiona returns to normal. However, she is also newly pregnant. It is my belief that her unique circumstance of becoming pregnant is what saved her. Perhaps it had something to do with the amulet, or perhaps not. Perhaps it was because of Maric's dragon blood (as revealed in the comics), or perhaps not.

 

No one knows anything.

 

If it was a result of her pregnancy, it might be that particular pregnancy with that particular man, not something likely to be repeated. Even if you want to say that a tainted Alistair could impregnate the female Warden (since he will also have dragon blood), that is certainly not a "cure" for all Wardens, everywhere.

 

Ah ok, it's been at least a year or more since I read The Calling...err or so. I forgot that it was just "who knows but awesome" regarding her cure. 

 

Damn. 

[TK514]

That's not how it plays out in The Calling, though. You are disregarding how her "cure" is actually portrayed, that is, no one really knows why or how it happened. It's not even hinted at in ANY way, we only have wild speculation.

 

It was essentially an accident. It's never explicitly stated exactly how she was cured. Duncan was also given the amulet, but its effects were counteracted by an enchanted dagger, or somesuch. At the end, once the amulet is gone, Fiona returns to normal. However, she is also newly pregnant. It is my belief that her unique circumstance of becoming pregnant is what saved her. Perhaps it had something to do with the amulet, or perhaps not. Perhaps it was because of Maric's dragon blood (as revealed in the comics), or perhaps not.

 

No one knows anything.

 

If it was a result of her pregnancy, it might be that particular pregnancy with that particular man, not something likely to be repeated. Even if you want to say that a tainted Alistair could impregnate the female Warden (since he will also have dragon blood), that is certainly not a "cure" for all Wardens, everywhere.

 

Not sure why her being pregnant would have anything to do with it, by itself.  Nothing says Wardens can't get pregnant, just that it's rare and they can't get pregnant with other Wardens.  If it were just pregnancy, then it would have happened before.

[Aren]

I will give you Fiona and the wardens but the almighty cannon is mine.

[nightscrawl]

Not sure why her being pregnant would have anything to do with it, by itself.  Nothing says Wardens can't get pregnant, just that it's rare and they can't get pregnant with other Wardens.  If it were just pregnancy, then it would have happened before.

 

Well that's why I emphasized the whole Maric thing...

[ModernAcademic]

Just a thought- I've read all the books except The Last Flight, skipped the comics and played all DA games and DLC. 

 

So with that said there seem be some Very Annoying issues with almighty Canon. One thing I ran across here in this subforum somewhere is that someone mentioned ( couldn't find the thread again, sorry) that Fiona being cured of the taint isn't necessarily canon and I disagree. Not only is it mentioned in the books- it is also in her codex in DAI. Would this not then therefore be *drumroll* canon? 

 

Oh and therefore I'm saying a cure for being a Warden does exist and could be found by HoF or someone else in DA or in between as it were. 

 

I don't know who said Fiona not being cured was canon, but she does tell the Inquisitor that the Wardens failed when trying to re-initiate her in the Order.

By that, we can infer they tried to make her undergo the Joining again - drink from the chalice and contract the taint - and they failed. The ONLY reason for someone to not be able to contract the taint anymore is if they became IMMUNE to it. 

 

We ALSO know pregnancy should be impossible for Wardens, but we've seen an example of Morrigan becoming pregnant after a sexual act which made her contract the taint - since she had unsafe sex with a Warden - without becoming a ghoul afterwards.

 

So we can infer it's a possibility that the taint is magically cured by pregnancy OR that pregnancy plays a key role in the cure. Maybe because it involves a metabolical change that affects the mother's blood?

 

So yes, Fiona being immune to the taint is canon.

[mrs_anomaly]

So maybe in DA4 we'll get a chance to test this idea out 

[thesuperdarkone2]

I don't know who said Fiona not being cured was canon, but she does tell the Inquisitor that the Wardens failed when trying to re-initiate her in the Order.
By that, we can infer they tried to make her undergo the Joining again - drink from the chalice and contract the taint - and they failed. The ONLY reason for someone to not be able to contract the taint anymore is if they became IMMUNE to it.

We ALSO know pregnancy should be impossible for Wardens, but we've seen an example of Morrigan becoming pregnant after a sexual act which made her contract the taint - since she had unsafe sex with a Warden - without becoming a ghoul afterwards.

So we can infer it's a possibility that the taint is magically cured by pregnancy OR that pregnancy plays a key role in the cure. Maybe because it involves a metabolical change that affects the mother's blood?

So yes, Fiona being immune to the taint is canon.

Actually wardens can have kids with nonwardens, it's just more difficult. It's impossible for two wardens to have kids together though.

[Serza]

Wait, the Taint is an STD?

[GoldenGail3]

Actually wardens can have kids with nonwardens, it's just more difficult. It's impossible for two wardens to have kids together though.

Which is why Alistair will probaly never have kids with my Queen Cousland *the world tiniest violin plays in the background*

[Serza]

I also can't remember ever seeing a canon confirmation that two wardens having kids together is impossible. All that I remember is that warden+non-warden = rare and warden+warden = nigh impossible (nigh, mind you)

[Apo]

2 wardens having kids isn't impossible but nearly impossible because the 2 parteners have low fertility so unless you get very lucky, 2 warden lovers will never have childs.

They should have done the same as the witchers, make them sterile once and for all

[GoldenGail3]

2 wardens having kids isn't impossible but nearly impossible because the 2 parteners have low fertility so unless you get very lucky, 2 warden lovers will never have childs.

They should have done the same as the witchers, make them sterile once and for all

Yeah, but the Witchers is in different reality then DA... Maybe the Witchers and the Wardens are counterparts to one another?

[ladyofnemesis0108]

This is something I've been wondering about lately

 

Wardens have a lower fertility rate, so them having children is rare (becoming even harder as the years go by) or nearly impossible depending on the other parent

 

But when the Wardens get cured (if they can be cured), does that mean their fertility will eventually return or does it stay at the same?

This is of course also depending on the age of said Warden, I can imagine someone who hasn't been tainted for very long would have a higher chance

[mrs_anomaly]

Wait, the Taint is an STD?

 That's what I heard from all of the other kids at school today 

 

Also I'd like to thank everyone for contributing to this fantastic discussion about Warden fertility. I think in DA4, I would suggest Bioware include a nice upscale fertility clinic and my HoF will judge if any of the incoming men will do. 

 

 

P.S. 

 

Fiona never went to have other children- who knows maybe she became frigid after getting rid of Maric. Or yeah maybe it was the dragon blood thing. 

[TK514]

I think in DA4, I would suggest Bioware include a nice upscale fertility clinic and my HoF will judge if any of the incoming men will do. 

No! We can't let Saren develop a cure for the genophage!

[GoldenGail3]

HOF will judge if any of the incoming men will do. 

Oooh, my Cousland and Amell wish to join you!