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[NRO TYN]

With the few choice you get with who rules Ferelden, it doesn't really matter because no matter what in DAI there's no heir to secure who ever holds the Throne. Has there been any confirmation on whether it was Anora being Barren, or Alistair and a potential King Warden shooting blanks?? I ask cause with the ending to trespasser, its seems like were leaving the south and heading north, so I kinda want a satisfying answer, or at least a guess on where the situation of Ferelden leadership is going.

 

I've been rereading The Stolen Throne, and have been feeling pretty sh#tty. My canon Origins character married Anora, and kept Alistair in the Wardens, but after all the trouble,and sacrifices Maric and his Mother made to win back the Throne I feel like I did them a disservice. So I wanna know was it wrong for me to not put the Last Theirin on the Throne, and what justification do I have for taking the Throne??  

 

EDIT: Whoops, Just notice I might have put this in the wrong Thread...Oh well =P

[ArcadiaGrey]

Alistair doesn't want to be King, so you're doing him a service leaving him in the Wardens. 

 

There are few 'wrong' choices in DA, just different choices in different playthroughs.  This way you have a happy Alistair and a competent Queen who wants to rule.  It's not that bad. 

[thats1evildude]

Personally, I prefer my good buddy Alistair to rule Ferelden, but either candidate is valid. Both of them offer shelter to the rebel mages, and both are able to make a shaky peace with Orlais.

 

To be honest, Ferelden is probably facing a succession crisis in 10-20 years no matter what. Neither Alistair or Anora seem inclined or able to have children.

[nightscrawl]

Personally, I prefer my good buddy Alistair to rule Ferelden, but either candidate is valid. Both of them offer shelter to the rebel mages, and both are able to make a shaky peace with Orlais.

 

To be honest, Ferelden is probably facing a succession crisis in 10-20 years no matter what. Neither Alistair or Anora seem inclined or able to have children.

 

I'd like them to cover this in a novel. I don't want to be involved as the player, but I am curious to see these events.

[Taki17]

If Alistair is the father of Kieran, then Ferelden could have another bastard Thierin taking the throne after Alistair and/or Anora die without any legal heirs. If Anora ruled alone and had a prince consort (like the Warden) and the two somehow had a child together (considering Anora's difficulties in getting pregnant, combined with the reduced fertility of Grey Wardens); this child's claim to the throne would be weaker than Kieran's, considering that he is a true descendant of the Theirin bloodline, whereas Anora's family joined the Theirins through marriage.

 

There is one other issue though: Morrigan. Whatever are the circumstances of Kieran's conception, he either does not have an old god soul to begin with, or Flemeth removes it from him and now he's like any other mortal. The question is: would Morrgian want her child to become a king? Let's say Alistair dies in 20 years because of the taint, and Anora could die in 20 years too from old age and/or illness. Kieran would be around 30, a grown man, and Morrigan probably couldn't influence him much or rule secretly from the shadows, using her son as a puppet.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Another potential issue is that Kieran might be a mage. It's not made clear one way or another in DAI, but if he is, it's unlikely that he could rule Ferelden. I mean, Vivienne manages to become Divine in some world states, but she has a lot of political allies and the Inquisition behind her. Keiran would be facing some opposition as the bastard son of a witch already, assuming anyone even believed that he was Alistair's son. (I think it helped Alistair's claim a lot that he's the spitting image of Cailan - and, presumably, Marric.)

[JenMaxon]

It also helps Alistair that he is backed by both Eamon and Teagan who are able to confirm his origins.  Kieren might be supported by the Warden but the Warden can be dead by the end of DAO and, if she survived, might die around the same time as Alistair.

[Gervaise]

This assumes that you have to have a Thierin heir.   I read somewhere that Cailan only just got approved because quite a few people could see he wasn't cut out to rule and his marriage to Anora was what tipped the balance in his favour.    Many people wanted the Bryce Cousland to take the throne.    They are considered to be the second most important family in Ferelden.   This is why a Cousland Warden teamed up with Anora is a very powerful match.   Cousland can of course also have a child with Morrigan, so again even if there are no legitimate heirs, there is Kieran.     However, Fergus, the eldest Cousland, also survives, so theoretically he and any heirs he produces from his second wife  (assuming that he marries which I'm quite sure he does) could take over the throne.

 

A lot depends on whether you think simply having the right bloodline is all that is necessary for leadership (as Eamon does) or whether actually being a capable ruler is more important.    Neither Cailan or Alistair seemed right for the role.  Cailan left all the tiresome aspects of ruling in peacetime to Anora, whilst Alistair didn't even want to take charge of the fight against the Blight, leaving it up to the Warden, let alone run a country, which is why my Cousland didn't feel at all bad about shooting for the top job and marrying Anora.   

 

Ferelden isn't the only realm with potential leadership problems down the line.   If you keep Celene on the throne of Orlais, then the civil war will probably erupt again when she dies, particularly if Gaspard was executed.    At present, though, that just isn't as important as the emerging conflict in the north and Solas.   If the latter proceeds with his plan then it won't matter if there are heirs or not.

[Andromelek]

Alistair whines if is made King and whines if is left as a Warden, so I better kill him and there are no whines (or backstabs) Anora is competent but then she is not so popular for the people, as none of them can have children, I guess they might choose their successor at some point, and I guessing that it will be a Guerrin or a Cousland as they are the most powerful families on Ferelden...or maybe they just get conquered by Gaspard/blown up by Solas and don't have to be concerned anymore.

[9TailsFox]

This assumes that you have to have a Thierin heir.   I read somewhere that Cailan only just got approved because quite a few people could see he wasn't cut out to rule and his marriage to Anora was what tipped the balance in his favour.    Many people wanted the Bryce Cousland to take the throne.    They are considered to be the second most important family in Ferelden.   This is why a Cousland Warden teamed up with Anora is a very powerful match.   Cousland can of course also have a child with Morrigan, so again even if there are no legitimate heirs, there is Kieran.     However, Fergus, the eldest Cousland, also survives, so theoretically he and any heirs he produces from his second wife  (assuming that he marries which I'm quite sure he does) could take over the throne.

 

A lot depends on whether you think simply having the right bloodline is all that is necessary for leadership (as Eamon does) or whether actually being a capable ruler is more important.    Neither Cailan or Alistair seemed right for the role.  Cailan left all the tiresome aspects of ruling in peacetime to Anora, whilst Alistair didn't even want to take charge of the fight against the Blight, leaving it up to the Warden, let alone run a country, which is why my Cousland didn't feel at all bad about shooting for the top job and marrying Anora.   

 

Ferelden isn't the only realm with potential leadership problems down the line.   If you keep Celene on the throne of Orlais, then the civil war will probably erupt again when she dies, particularly if Gaspard was executed.    At present, though, that just isn't as important as the emerging conflict in the north and Solas.   If the latter proceeds with his plan then it won't matter if there are heirs or not.

Best post in topic. I can only add Ferelden monarchy is not Primogeniture Succession, it's elective monarchy so being firstborn don't automatically make you a king yes you have like 99% chance but still this is why we have landsmeet  to decide ruler.

[Exile Isan]

Why does everyone assume that it was Anora's fault that her and Cailan had no children? What if Cailan was shooting blanks?   I mean doesn't Anora mention that Cailan had several affairs (that she knew about) and he had no children from those women either? So it could have been either. 

[Andromelek]

Why does everyone assume that it was Anora's fault that her and Cailan had no children? What if Cailan was shooting blanks?   I mean doesn't Anora mention that Cailan had several affairs (that she knew about) and he had no children from those women either? So it could have been either.

That's a fair point, though, as I recall she's not making any effort to get a partner if she is left single and Cousland has the fertility issues from a Warden.

[Taki17]

Why does everyone assume that it was Anora's fault that her and Cailan had no children? What if Cailan was shooting blanks?   I mean doesn't Anora mention that Cailan had several affairs (that she knew about) and he had no children from those women either? So it could have been either. 

That depends. Is there any form of birth control that we know of in Thedas, aside from the pull-out method? Ancient people (the egyptians if i'm not mistaken) also used condoms in our world, so it is not unlikely that people in Thedas also use it as well. Considering that the Chantry is (in some aspects) a lot more progressive than the Church was during the middle ages, I don't think that they are against birth control.

 

Maybe Cailan used these proto-condoms too, when he was with other women as he did not want to have a bunch of bastards. If he truly wanted to have children, he might have taken a concubine, but he did not seem like someone that was concerned about not having heirs. It was Loghain that warned him about not fighting in a battle without a clear successor, and it was Eamon who wrote him about Anora's (suspected) infertility.

 

Or, he might have fathered numerous bastards, but those kids weren't discovered yet, and their bloodline might be hard to confirm. It was easy to confirm Alistairs, as Arl Eamon and some others knew about it.

[Exile Isan]

Double post! 

[Knight of Dane]

My honest guess is that the throne will eventually default to Fergus Cousland. Bioware ties the issue up that way and it makes sense for all imports one way or another.

[Exile Isan]

 It was Loghain that warned him about not fighting in a battle without a clear successor, and it was Eamon who wrote him about Anora's (suspected) infertility.

 

 

I'm not sure I would trust anything that Eamon says concerning Anora as obvious, at least to me, that he doesn't like her. Probably because he can't manipulate her the way he could Cailan. Or Alistair for that matter. 

 

Oh, and the codex for Witherstalk hints that it can be used for birth control. 

[mrs_anomaly]

Well I'd be fine with a Fergus Cousland on the Fereldan throne as long as he doesn't turn into a Bann Teagan   Anyway, Alistair doesn't whine about being kept a warden he's content with the choice as far as I recall and I Warden always romanced him. I figure Anora is a competent leader even if I begrudge her eagerness for power. Alistair gave me a very romantic and loving speech in DAI  when asked by the Inquisitor and my Warden is satisfied with her choices   

[Andromelek]

Well I'd be fine with a Fergus Cousland on the Fereldan throne as long as he doesn't turn into a Bann Teagan   Anyway, Alistair doesn't whine about being kept a warden he's content with the choice as far as I recall and I Warden always romanced him. I figure Anora is a competent leader even if I begrudge her eagerness for power. Alistair gave me a very romantic and loving speech in DAI  when asked by the Inquisitor and my Warden is satisfied with her choices   

Yeah, but any non romanced Warden will have the "took a dark path" speech.

[Dai Grepher]

I made a thread about this a while back. It comes down to what BioWare will consider the easiest. The writers are like electricity, taking the path of least resistance. In other words, the laziest path.

All worldstates seem to be moving toward Fergus Cousland or his potential heirs eventually getting the throne. He is the only one who is alive in all worldstates.

Alistair could be the father to Kieran, but it's implied that Kieran is a mage. So the Landsmeet would probably not elect him. Alistair ruling alone might be able to sire an heir with some woman, or the cure might show up just in time, but there's still the issue of Alistair possibly not being king or not even being alive. So this would count against a worldstate where Alistair rules with a Hero Queen Cousland as well.

Anora is most likely barren. She can be married to Cousland for ten years by the time Inquisition takes place and still no heir. I know the Hero King leaves a few years before Inquisition, but still. And with each passing year it becomes less likely even if she weren't barren. Anora is as old as the Dragon Age, meaning she turns 44 in the 44th year of the Dragon Age. It is implied that she can be executed in a hardened Alistair worldstate. Or if not killed, then moved well into irrelevancy.

As indicated by the above, even a Hero Cousland worldstate is not likely to produce an heir since the chosen player character might not even be a Cousland in most worldstates to begin with, and even if so, that Cousland might not be a ruler.

This leaves Fergus as the path of least resistance. He is alive in all worldstates, he is the highest ranking lord in Ferelden under the King and/or Queen, and his health status still allows him to procreate.

There is of course another option, which is that some unseen character could arise from among the banns to seek election to the throne, and the Landsmeet would simply vote for that person. This might come off as lame to the fans though, who would reasonably ask where this supposedly important person was during the Blight and Breach, and why this person is a better candidate than Fergus.

[Dai Grepher]

Why does everyone assume that it was Anora's fault that her and Cailan had no children? What if Cailan was shooting blanks?   I mean doesn't Anora mention that Cailan had several affairs (that she knew about) and he had no children from those women either? So it could have been either.

Because the Hero of Ferelden can marry Anora, and we know for a fact that it is possible for him to sire Kieran, yet still no heir with Anora.

[Dai Grepher]

Alistair whines if is made King and whines if is left as a Warden, so I better kill him and there are no whines (or backstabs)

Nah, he whines if he's executed too. What a whiner. XD

I think Hardened King Alistair has the least amount of whines.

[Lord Raijin]

Alistair doesn't want to be King, so you're doing him a service leaving him in the Wardens. 

 

There are few 'wrong' choices in DA, just different choices in different playthroughs.  This way you have a happy Alistair and a competent Queen who wants to rule.  It's not that bad. 

 

Back in DA:O Alistair was this immature and frighten man who suffered from low confidence due to how he was raised. By blood he is rightful High King through his father. He did not have the kind of guidance that was needed, and therefor he became this frighten man who didn't know how to lead. With enough guidance through the Warden commander his confidence level rose, and therefor proudly accepted the title.

 

To end the civil wars and to better all of Ferelden It was for the best that Alistair and Anora to become rulers.

 

 

Jesus whats with all the hatred for this character?

[Andromelek]

Nah, he whines if he's executed too. What a whiner. XDI think Hardened King Alistair has the least amount of whines.

Actually the less whiny would be dead Alistair by Archdemon.

[ArcadiaGrey]

Back in DA:O Alistair was this immature and frighten man who suffered from low confidence due to how he was raised. By blood he is rightful High King through his father. He did not have the kind of guidance that was needed, and therefor he became this frighten man who didn't know how to lead. With enough guidance through the Warden commander his confidence level rose, and therefor proudly accepted the title.

 

To end the civil wars and to better all of Ferelden It was for the best that Alistair and Anora to become rulers.

 

 

Jesus whats with all the hatred for this character?

 

Hatred?  I love Alistair, he's one of my all time favourite characters. 

[thats1evildude]

I doubt Kieran is eligible to be the heir. One, he's a mage, and two, he was birthed via secret blood magic ritual (if he's Alistair's kid).