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[Taki17]

He believes there is value in having a descendant of Calenhad on the throne.

I guess it is something similar to a president of the republic title. In my country, the title of president of the republic is given to the head of state, who represents the nation's unity and the nation as a whole, but has no say in the goverment, the leading role in the executive branch is given to the prime minister.

 

Of course, Ferelden is not a consitutional monarchy, but it does not seem like an absolute monarchy either. The monarch is elected by the landsmeet, the position is held for as long as the king/queen lives, but the reigning monarch can be held accountable by the banns of Ferelden.

 

Nevertheless, fereldans take pride in their history and historical figures, so uniting hundreds of nobles under a single banner might be a lot easier under someone, who is a descendant of the man who was the first ever to unite the warring banns into a kingdom.

[NRO TYN]

Im all for Ferelden and its tradition of letting the Theirins rule, But if the last Theirin really doesn't want the job and, as it was brought to my attention, there has been a King of Ferelden who didn't have the Theirin surname at one point in the far past other then Meghren. So my Warden is willing to usher in a new age with a new dynasty.

 

What further influence me to let my Warden rule now is that it seems that regardless with who rule Ferelden it seems that the Theirin bloodline is done?? At least that what I gather from the consensus of earlier posts. Would some of you agree??

[Sports72Xtrm]

Kieran could be eligible to the throne if he's acknowledged by Alistair or Loghain, as Theirin or Mac Tir were the last known monarchs. A Cousland Warden has no heir either. Warden Cousland will die heirless and so will Anora. Even if the Warden acknowledged Kieran as his heir, Anora will be seen as a concubine in the eyes of Ferelden's neighbors and she'll be so utterly humiliated she has been cuckold that she'll turn on the Warden causing a political unrest. Anora will make it seem like Warden Cousland seduced her and disrespected her behind her back making the Warden look like an honorless unfaithful bastard. Anora will be able to turn Ferelden against Warden Cousland since Anora is the prideful type. And if Fergus takes the crown, he's not his father or the Warden, he was being considered for being overlooked in favor of his sibling, his entire family massacred by one of his vassals, and his most well known accomplishment is being the lone survivor in a failed battle. Not only does he lack a proper name, Fergus will have to tame the entire Bannorn to accept him as king, since he isn't a Theirin, they aren't entitled to support him. Even the Teyrnir of Highever could fracture since if he usurps the Theirin line, it means honor and oathes mean nothing to the Couslands and the arls and freeholders in the Highever Teyrn could be persuaded to abandon their lord and go independent. If there is an heir to Ferelden, they not only need the army to show they are a force to be reckoned with, a legitimate royal lineage, and to publicly have all the Ferelden lords aknowledge him as king just like Calenhad did. Kieran seems the apt heir in future installments or Ferelden will just fracture and be like the Free Marches.

[NRO TYN]

Kieran could be eligible to the throne if he's acknowledged by Alistair or Loghain, as Theirin or Mac Tir were the last known monarchs. A Cousland Warden has no heir either. Warden Cousland will die heirless and so will Anora. Even if the Warden acknowledged Kieran as his heir, Anora will be seen as a concubine in the eyes of Ferelden's neighbors and she'll be so utterly humiliated she has been cuckold that she'll turn on the Warden causing a political unrest. Anora will make it seem like Warden Cousland seduced her and disrespected her behind her back making the Warden look like an honorless unfaithful bastard. Anora will be able to turn Ferelden against Warden Cousland since Anora is the prideful type. And if Fergus takes the crown, he's not his father or the Warden, he was being considered for being overlooked in favor of his sibling, his entire family massacred by one of his vassals, and his most well known accomplishment is being the lone survivor in a failed battle. Not only does he lack a proper name, Fergus will have to tame the entire Bannorn to accept him as king, since he isn't a Theirin, they aren't entitled to support him. Even the Teyrnir of Highever could fracture since if he usurps the Theirin line, it means honor and oathes mean nothing to the Couslands and the arls and freeholders in the Highever Teyrn could be persuaded to abandon their lord and go independent. If there is an heir to Ferelden, they not only need the army to show they are a force to be reckoned with, a legitimate royal lineage, and to publicly have all the Ferelden lords aknowledge him as king just like Calenhad did. Kieran seems the apt heir in future installments or Ferelden will just fracture and be like the Free Marches.

 

I could be wrong, but from what I gather from DAI is that Kieran future is WAAAY more bigger then just being a King in some southern Kingdom. Morrigan knows that a big change is coming to the world, and she going to get her son ready for the coming change regardless if he has the OG soul in him/Taken from him. I also think you underestimate how much the Couslands are beloved and respected by the Ferelden people bannore. When Arl Howe massacred the Cousland family in 9:30 Dragon there was shock and outrage between the nobles and the commons, but no one was able to do anything because he gained more power and the backing of Teryn Loghain who would later become regent for his daughter. He gain so much power he was able imprison Queen Anora without any repercussion, tho by that point Loghain was deep into his paranoia and madness. And lets not forget that after Maric went missing in 9:25 Dragon, the bannore considered Bryce Cousland for the Throne, but ultimately pick Maric son Cailan.

 

But what I'm asking currently IS, the general consensus from fans, is that regardless with WHO rules Ferelden it seems that the Theirin bloodline is done with ruling Ferelden in the future installments of DA4 and beyond ??? Because of the many opportunities of putting someone other then Alistair on the Throne.

[Sports72Xtrm]

I could be wrong, but from what I gather from DAI is that Kieran future is WAAAY more bigger then just being a King in some southern Kingdom. Morrigan knows that a big change is coming to the world, and she going to get her son ready for the coming change regardless if he has the OG soul in him/Taken from him. I also think you underestimate how much the Couslands are beloved and respected by the Ferelden people bannore. When Arl Howe massacred the Cousland family in 9:30 Dragon there was shock and outrage between the nobles and the commons, but no one was able to do anything because he gained more power and the backing of Teryn Loghain who would later become regent for his daughter. He gain so much power he was able imprison Queen Anora without any repercussion, tho by that point Loghain was deep into his paranoia and madness. And lets not forget that after Maric went missing in 9:25 Dragon, the bannore considered Bryce Cousland for the Throne, but ultimately pick Maric son Cailan.

 

But what I'm asking currently IS, the general consensus from fans, is that regardless with WHO rules Ferelden it seems that the Theirin bloodline is done with ruling Ferelden in the future installments of DA4 and beyond ??? Because of the many opportunities of putting someone other then Alistair on the Throne.

Well Flemeth took the old god soul away from Kieran. Whatever he was meant to be, I don't think Morrigan is in control anymore. From what I've seen, what Morrigan planned hasn't taken into account Flemeth's interference and now she has to adjust to the new reality that her plan may have been botched. In my opinion, this means Kieran's destiny isn't dictated by what Morrigan thinks it will be.

 

Couslands may be popular but so are the Guerrins. Being popular isn't enough for every freeholder and arl to declare someone as king especially when Bryce, the person they allegedly wanted to be king, is dead. In my opinion and to be frank, the Couslands are not viable candidates to be king anymore than the Guerrins. Fergus is not Bryce. The Theirins have ruled for years, and that is because the line of succession has always been clear. A Theirin always takes the throne. Even the supposed ones who was King of Ferelden and not a Theirin by blood like Anora and the other one allegedly described by other posters were at least surmised to be married to the Theirin heir and was royalty by marriage, if not blood and the continuing of the bloodline. That's why Eamon believed so much in Alistair to be the heir and I doubt he's the only one. I think you underestimate how obstinate Fereldeners can be in being forced to submit to a new dynasty, which they've never done before, Theirins are the only bloodline whom all Ferelden nobles have been documented to say official oathes to and that is because years ago, Calenhad gathered all the nobles together and forced them to bend the knee in front of everyone so they cannot deny their submission to their rule. And no one can deny the Theirin has been the dynasty of Ferelden ever since its conception.

 

As to your question, I think Kieran if sired by Alistair, can continue the Theirin bloodline and become future king of Ferelden in future installments. I think that if Bioware chose to do so, they'll give the option to install Kieran as the heir or let Ferelden descend into civil war in a future Dragon Age installment. Kieran is the decendant of either Loghain, a Mac Tir and brother of Queen Anora nee Theirin, or Alistair, the last alleged Theirin. That makes him the only candidate that is actually a descendant to royalty and technically can assume the Theirin surname. If he's related to the Warden or they put someone like Fergus or Teagan on the throne, then that choice should bear consequences and in the epilogue it should note that banns and arls start to rebel against their rule and Ferelden should end up conquered by Orlais or become another Free Marches.

[Dai Grepher]

Thanks @Dai Grepher for answering my questions, and everyone else as well. So I guess everyones feelings is that by DA4 if we get any news about the Southern Kingdoms like Ferelden  the Theirins bloodline would be gone, regardless with whos ruling.

Depends when DA4 takes place. Can't be more than a few years after Trespasser in 9:44. Alistair became a Grey Warden in late 9:29 I think, six months before the player character did. So 9:59 is his death year, unless the cure prolongs it. I doubt DA4 will take place that far ahead.

But yes, the Therin bloodline will likely be gone since Alistair is a killable character. He could be executed, Ultimate Sacrificed, a Warden, trapped in the Fade, or drunk somewhere. So that's too many variables for BioWare to account for. He would also likely need to be cured, since it is now 9:44 and he still has no heir. He's at his halfway point until the taint kills him, and by now he is likely unable to procreate.

The only way the Therin bloodline continues is if he did the Dark Ritual with Morrigan. And Kieran is a character who is a variable as well. He might not even exist, or if he does, he could be Loghain's son, or the Cousland's, Amell's, one of the three elves', Aeducan's, or Brosca's.

So with Kieran, he will most likely just fade into obscurity, and his last name won't be known except in the case that the Hero left with Morrigan, and the one who left with her is never Alistair. So if he is a Therin, it won't be known. For all we know, the Therin bloodline could exist all throughout Ferelden and Orlais.
 

It a shame to see the Theirin bloodline go out after reading about all Brandel,Moria, Maric and those who help the rebellion cause went through to kick Orlais outta Ferelden, but I guess dynasty must rise and fall like in Navara for example. This kinda helps me feel a little bit better with taking the Throne with Anora and trying to start a new dynasty,

That is the best option for everyone anyway. Alistair makes a terrible king, and Inquisition confirms it. Ferelden is better off with a strong Cousland King and Queen (Anora Cousland).
 

But I'm still confused on one thing. If the the power of Ferelden comes from the Banns, and the Banns elect there Kings and Queens, whats the point of the elections if all their going to keep doing is allow the Theirins to follow Agnatic-Cognatic Primogeniture rules?? I thought Ferelden was supposed to be an Elective Monarchy Kingdom??

It is, but bloodline is what makes someone more eligible than others. Without some unwritten guidelines, any bann or arl could make a claim for the throne. Any commoner for that matter. The point of family ties is to keep the candidates to a minimum. And usually, if the person is of Therin blood, then that person would make a good ruler because of how they were brought up. So its just the natural result.

Of course, there are exceptions. Many thought Cailan incapable, and preferred Bryce Cousland instead. But either not enough or Bryce turned it down.
 

According to The World of Thedas, there was a king named Lewys Mavbrae who ruled about 50 years before Arland. It is unknown how he ascended to the throne, as Theirin came before and after him.

I wouldn't put much trust in WoT. It is wrong on the lore in many other ways.
 

Ah, that could be true as well cause wasn't Sophia Dryden a cousin to Arland?? Meaning that more then likely her mother was a Theirin??

Yes, they were cousins.
 

Im all for Ferelden and its tradition of letting the Theirins rule, But if the last Theirin really doesn't want the job and, as it was brought to my attention, there has been a King of Ferelden who didn't have the Theirin surname at one point in the far past other then Meghren. So my Warden is willing to usher in a new age with a new dynasty.

You should also take note that the banns in Origins didn't really care that much about bloodline either. They are willing to vote for Loghain or Anora over Alistair. So its not as big a deal as Eamon tries to make it seem. I think he was just using it as an excuse to get Alistair elected.
 

What further influence me to let my Warden rule now is that it seems that regardless with who rule Ferelden it seems that the Theirin bloodline is done?? At least that what I gather from the consensus of earlier posts. Would some of you agree??

Most likely, as long as BioWare doesn't rewrite anything. Alistair confirms he's a virgin in Origins. And he can die after the Landsmeet or on Fort Drakon. The only opportunity he'll have is if he stays a Warden or becomes a drunk. In which case the name won't mean much. And of course Kieran, which again, probably won't go anywhere.

But who knows. BioWare might make a story where the Therin blood survives so long as you make Alistair king. I know that's not what you want to read, but BioWare could do that, with the alternative being a Cousland royal family.
 

I could be wrong, but from what I gather from DAI is that Kieran future is WAAAY more bigger then just being a King in some southern Kingdom. Morrigan knows that a big change is coming to the world, and she going to get her son ready for the coming change regardless if he has the OG soul in him/Taken from him.

I think Morrigan thought the change was what Corypheus did. She seems unaware of Solas. But if she drank from the Well, she may have what it takes to protect herself and Kieran if the Veil drops. But as for Kieran, he's just another nobody now.
 

I also think you underestimate how much the Couslands are beloved and respected by the Ferelden people bannore. When Arl Howe massacred the Cousland family in 9:30 Dragon there was shock and outrage between the nobles and the commons, but no one was able to do anything because he gained more power and the backing of Teryn Loghain who would later become regent for his daughter. He gain so much power he was able imprison Queen Anora without any repercussion, tho by that point Loghain was deep into his paranoia and madness. And lets not forget that after Maric went missing in 9:25 Dragon, the bannore considered Bryce Cousland for the Throne, but ultimately pick Maric son Cailan.

And that may have been because Bryce supported Cailan. He talks him up in the Human Noble origin in front of Howe.
 

But what I'm asking currently IS, the general consensus from fans, is that regardless with WHO rules Ferelden it seems that the Theirin bloodline is done with ruling Ferelden in the future installments of DA4 and beyond ??? Because of the many opportunities of putting someone other then Alistair on the Throne.

Consensus should have nothing to do with it. Only facts matter. As it stands, it looks like the Therin bloodline is done, or will be made irrelevant. Any continuation would be worldstate specific. Meaning, you would have to make sure Alistair was king in order for there to be any chance of the bloodline being carried on. But even this isn't likely to happen. BioWare will probably take the easy route and just have the Cousland bloodline ascend through always alive Fergus.

[NRO TYN]

Depends when DA4 takes place. Can't be more than a few years after Trespasser in 9:44. Alistair became a Grey Warden in late 9:29 I think, six months before the player character did. So 9:59 is his death year, unless the cure prolongs it. I doubt DA4 will take place that far ahead.

But yes, the Therin bloodling will likely be gone since Alistair is a killable character. He could be executed, Ultimate Sacrificed, a Warden, trapped in the Fade, or drunk somewhere. So that's too many variables for BioWare to account for. He would also likely need to be cured, since it is now 9:44 and he still has no heir. He's at his halfway point until the taint kills him, and by now he is likely unable to procreate.

The only way the Therin bloodline continues is if he did the Dark Ritual with Morrigan. And Kieran is a character who is a variable as well. He might not even exist, or if he does, he could be Loghain's son, or the Cousland's, Amell's, one of the three elves', Aeducan's, or Brosca's.

So with Kieran, he will most likely just fade into obscurity, and his last name won't be known except in the case that the Hero left with Morrigan, and the one who left with her is never Alistair. So if he is a Therin, it won't be known. For all we know, the Therin bloodline could exist all throughout Ferelden and Orlais.


That is the best option for everyone anyway. Alistair makes a terrible king, and Inquisition confirms it. Ferelden is better off with a strong Cousland King and Queen (Anora Cousland).


It is, but bloodline is what makes someone more eligible than others. Without some unwritten guidelines, any bann or arl could make a claim for the throne. Any commoner for that matter. The point of family ties is to keep the candidates to a minimum. And usually, if the people is of Therin blood, then that person would make a good ruler because of how they were brought up. So its just the natural result.

Of course, there are exceptions. Many thought Cailan incapable, and preferred Bryce Cousland instead. But either not enough or Bryce turned it down.


I wouldn't put much trust in WoT. It is wrong on the lore in many other ways.


Yes, they were cousins.


You should also take note that the banns in Origins didn't really care that much about bloodline either. They are willing to vote for Loghain or Anora over Alistair. So its not as big a deal as Eamon tries to make it seem. I think he was just using it as an excuse to get Alistair elected.


Most likely, as long as BioWare doesn't rewrite anything. Alistair confirms he's a virgin in Origins. And he can die after the Landsmeet or on Fort Drakon. The only opportunity he'll have is if he stays a Warden or becomes a drunk. In which case the name won't mean much. And of course Kieran, which again, probably won't go anywhere.

But who knows. BioWare might make a story where the Therin blood survives so long as you make Alistair king. I know that's not what you want to read, but BioWare could do that, with the alternative being a Cousland royal family.


I think Morrigan thought the change was what Corypheus did. She seems unaware of Solas. But if she drank from the Well, she may have what it takes to protect herself and Kieran if the Veil drops. But as for Kieran, he's just another nobody now.


And that may have been because Bryce supported Cailan. He talks him up in the Human Noble origin in front of Howe.


Consensus should have nothing to do with it. Only facts matter. As it stands, it looks like the Therin bloodline is done, or will be made irrelevant. Any continuation would be worldstate specific. Meaning, you would have to make sure Alistair was king in order for there to be any chance of the bloodline being carried on. Bu even this isn't likely to happen. BioWare will probably take the easy route and just have the Cousland bloodline ascend through always alive Fergus.

 

Thanks for taking the time to answer all my question, tho I have to say im not fully satisfied, it is enough to make me feel much better with letting my Warden take the Throne. I have a obsession love/hate relationship with the Theirins XD. I like and respect them mainly because of Moria,Maric, and their rebel allies and the sacrifices they had to make to get the Throne back. But I hate them because the Ferelden people have people like Eamon who just thinks that its best a Theirin should always rule Ferelden. Which I totally see his point, cause their ancestor is the whole reason why there's a Kingdom of Ferelden, but if that said Kingdom would potentially prosper soooo much better under a new dynasty and the last Theirin really doesn't want the job and "would happily" swear off the Throne for him and any potential future children, who to say its so wrong to take the throne??

 

I just wish the writers were here to clear up some of these minor things before with get to DA4, cause im pretty sure their gonna be focusing on new lore for northern Thedas.

[Dai Grepher]

I understand. Calenhad was a living legend who united Ferelden under one vision and made for them a country of their own. Moria gave her life fighting to keep it, and Maric took it back for the people. These were all great individuals, Calenhad most of all I think. But you have to remember why they did it. They did it not to secure their own bloodline on any throne. They did it to provide security and prosperity for their people. Ferelden doesn't need a Therin, it doesn't even really need a specific monarch, it needs leaders on every level who will govern with wisdom and protect the people with strength. I think that's what Cal, Moria, and Maric would prefer to see most.

And of course none of them did what they did alone. They all had help. So did the Hero King of Ferelden. It's all about the people and their leaders. Orlais was only able to take over because the leaders betrayed their people. The banns turned on their people and their king. So it didn't matter that Brandal was a Therin. He was considered a rather inept king. And if we are going to pinpoint the fall of the Therin house, I would say it came with Cailan. He was ready to sell the entire country wholesale to Orlais in exchange for promises of an empire. So it isn't about family name or title. This is true even when it comes to the Couslands. They had their fair share of tragedy and crisis. It's about the caliber of the people and those they entrust with their safety and freedoms.

You feel about the Therins like I feel about the Couslands. They have a great legacy as well, and one that even predates Calenhad. The ties to Flemeth's backstory, the lycanthropy outbreak, winning independence from Amaranthine, battling with Calenhad (and even though they eventually relented) being able to keep their Terynir. But they also rebelled against Arland and got dealt with. And Bryce was noble and good, but he was betrayed for being too trusting. And now the Cousland lineage hangs by a thread. So that family might be on its way out too. That would suck, but hey, so it goes.

It's the nation of Ferelden that must endure. That's most important. Bryce knew this. He knew they had to put the country before even their own family. In the larder he said that we are Couslands, and we do what must be done. I think he also said that they do their duty first when trying to convince pup to become a Grey Warden. Or maybe Eleanor said it. But you get the idea.

[Andromelek]

@Dai Grepher not so big individuals if you think about it, Calenhad myth always points out he was a loser and made a bargain with a mage (It was first meant to be Magister Parthalan, but I think the official story they use was Flemeth), and the rest of Therins we know are rather fools who either die or get their arses saved by a Witch of the Wilds.

[fhs33721]

Meh, it's not much of an issue. Once Alistair/Anora dies the Landsmeet will just elect a new Queen/king most likely.

And in Orlais after Celene dies the nobles will just play ther game of backstabbing harder for a few months, until a new Empress/Emperor somehow manages to come out atop of all it.Just how Celene managed to claim the throne in the first place.

That's of course if it happens in a time where there is no other country-thratening crisis at the same time. Only then would it become a real issue.

[Dai Grepher]

@Dai Grepher not so big individuals if you think about it, Calenhad myth always points out he was a loser and made a bargain with a mage (It was first meant to be Magister Parthalan, but I think the official story they use was Flemeth), and the rest of Therins we know are rather fools who either die or get their arses saved by a Witch of the Wilds.

It isn't so much about what he was as what he accomplished. And your point about him having help proves my point. All those people had help. Even the Couslands might owe everything they are to the fact that Flemeth killed Connobar, allowing his general Sarim Cousland to take control of the Bannorn of Highever after his death.

[NRO TYN]

I understand. Calenhad was a living legend who united Ferelden under one vision and made for them a country of their own. Moria gave her life fighting to keep it, and Maric took it back for the people. These were all great individuals, Calenhad most of all I think. But you have to remember why they did it. They did it not to secure their own bloodline on any throne. They did it to provide security and prosperity for their people. Ferelden doesn't need a Therin, it doesn't even really need a specific monarch, it needs leaders on every level who will govern with wisdom and protect the people with strength. I think that's what Cal, Moria, and Maric would prefer to see most.

And of course none of them did what they did alone. They all had help. So did the Hero King of Ferelden. It's all about the people and their leaders. Orlais was only able to take over because the leaders betrayed their people. The banns turned on their people and their king. So it didn't matter that Brandal was a Therin. He was considered a rather inept king. And if we are going to pinpoint the fall of the Therin house, I would say it came with Cailan. He was ready to sell the entire country wholesale to Orlais in exchange for promises of an empire. So it isn't about family name or title. This is true even when it comes to the Couslands. They had their fair share of tragedy and crisis. It's about the caliber of the people and those they entrust with their safety and freedoms.

You feel about the Therins like I feel about the Couslands. They have a great legacy as well, and one that even predates Calenhad. The ties to Flemeth's backstory, the lycanthropy outbreak, winning independence from Amaranthine, battling with Calenhad (and even though they eventually relented) being able to keep their Terynir. But they also rebelled against Arland and got dealt with. And Bryce was noble and good, but he was betrayed for being too trusting. And now the Cousland lineage hangs by a thread. So that family might be on its way out too. That would suck, but hey, so it goes.

It's the nation of Ferelden that must endure. That's most important. Bryce knew this. He knew they had to put the country before even their own family. In the larder he said that we are Couslands, and we do what must be done. I think he also said that they do their duty first when trying to convince pup to become a Grey Warden. Or maybe Eleanor said it. But you get the idea.

 

I have to be honest and admit that I wanted my Warden on the Throne for ambitious reason, because that's how I played him. But he cares about the overall picture and the well being of the people, he not some evil guy like Howe nor is he paranoid like Loghain. My Warden let Avernus live and continue his work because he thought his research would bear some fruit in the future, hes ambitious in that way, to paint a picture. Heck I would have let Gaspard take the Throne, if I wasn't afraid for Fereldens safety.

 

Some people could argue a harden Alistair with Anora,Queen Warden, or even by himself will still be good for the Ferelden people. But I don't recall him with either one of those outcomes having the potential to usher in a new golden age for the realm.( Tho I could before forgetting something )

 

My only concern now is how Bioware decides to handle Fereldens future heir situation. I know there can be a case made for Kieran, but I honestly believe Morrigan gonna influence her son to do something else other then sit a Throne( And yes I know whatever plans she had for him are out the window since her mother took the OG soul, but still I don't see her supporting her son to accept taking over a kingdom unless it was for an obsolete necessity ). I'm just hoping Bioware doesn't pull any cheap trick and say their were other Theirins cousins still alive, as that would just add more on to Bioware list of Truck-Up consistences and errors.

 

Whether Fergus or Teagan gets the Throne, I think I'll be ok with it. But in all honesty I'd prefer if after my Warden found the cure or whatever solution to the calling, he'd go back to his wife and continue ruling, since I went through the trouble of keeping him away from his true love and their son . But that just seems like wishful thinking.

[kimgoold]

I always put a Hardened Alistair on the throne to Rule Alone; I also have Alistair complete the DR with Morrigan thus giving him an Heir. (Wardens become increasingly infertile). Anora I wish I had the option to kill at the Landsmeet as the HoF when Alistair doesn't!. And for such a "Renowned and Gifted" Politician and Diplomat Anora does NO better as Ruler in DAI. 

 

It did bother me not putting Alistair on the throne, it seems a disservice to his murdered half brother Cailan and father Maric; and although Alistair does say he doesn't want the throne in the GN Until We Sleep he admits he always wanted to rule and swears to be a better ruler when he returns to Ferelden. 

[GoldenGail3]

The Couslands. 

[NRO TYN]

The Couslands. 

 

Lets not forget Teagan as well. His Nephew was king Cailan. So he could inherit too.

[Dai Grepher]

I have to be honest and admit that I wanted my Warden on the Throne for ambitious reason, because that's how I played him. But he cares about the overall picture and the well being of the people, he not some evil guy like Howe nor is he paranoid like Loghain.

Mine is similar. He didn't really have ambition per se, but he was wise enough to capitalize on certain opportunities, or make strategic moves that were beneficial. He always did his best and would strive to better himself in all things. He knew he was more likely to inherit than Fergus, and he neither fought for the title or turned away from it. He simply trusted that his father would make the right choice, and he would support the decision either way.

But when Howe attacked and his parents died, and Fergus was said to be lost in the field, he knew that he had to assume the title of Teyrn of Highever in order to prevent Howe from trying to claim it. And so that's what he did. Because of this Howe was unable to steal the title, and this limited his and Loghain's grasp for power.

When he spoke with Eamon about who would succeed Cailan, he immediately decided that he would be the best candidate for the throne thanks to his own title and experience. Having traveled with Alistair, he knew that he was neither ready nor willing to be king, and Alistair even said as much.

When he rescued Anora he surrendered to Cauthrien and convinced Alistair to do the same. When he was free, he spoke with Anora, and he knew that he wanted and needed her with him to rule jointly since she was loved by the people and had administrative experience. But he also knew she couldn't do it alone. She was too trusting, and her own father had usurped her already. She knew his parents, his mother in particular, and they were of like mind. He genuinely loved her, and he wanted the same kind of relationship his parents had, where they ruled together as Teyrn and Teyrna. So for all those reasons he proposed marriage and joint rule. Anora indicated that she wanted to be the sole ruler, and he saw this as it being a case of her having difficulty trusting anyone after what her father did. He assured her that he would support her rightful place as Queen (mum's the word on who else would have his rightful place as king).

Then he declared joint rule at the Landsmeet, and the banns elected them both.

Now for the interesting part, which you might not like. My Coulsand spared Loghain because he genuinely cared about Anora, and also because Riordan came forward shortly after to mention the Joining, which made him think something was up when Riordan mentioned dealing with the Archdemon.

Despite his best efforts to convince Alistair that this was right, Alistair left, but my Cousland assured him he would always be welcome. He was sorry to see him leave, but he knew it was for the best.

My Cousland would not lay with Morrigan, nor would he force the fate of the Dark Ritual on a child. So she left as well. Loghain made the sacrifice and redeemed himself. The newly crowned king told his queen this as well, and she thanked him.

From there they were happily married and they ruled jointly, and the people believed they would usher in a new golden age of prosperity for Ferelden.
 

My Warden let Avernus live and continue his work because he thought his research would bear some fruit in the future, hes ambitious in that way, to paint a picture. Heck I would have let Gaspard take the Throne, if I wasn't afraid for Fereldens safety.

My Hero King let Avernus live as well, and do ethical research.

As for Orlais, my Inquisitor had followed news of my Hero's achievements as best he could from the Ostwick Circle, but being from the Free Marches and being Inquisitor, he felt it wasn't his place to decide important matters for Orlais and Ferelden by default. He brokered the three-way deadlock where Celene, Gaspard, and Briala would work together to defeat Corypheus. He also had Josephine work out a new peace treaty between Orlais and Ferelden.
 

Some people could argue a harden Alistair with Anora,Queen Warden, or even by himself will still be good for the Ferelden people. But I don't recall him with either one of those outcomes having the potential to usher in a new golden age for the realm.( Tho I could before forgetting something )

You're right. They're terrible together.
 

I'm just hoping Bioware doesn't pull any cheap trick and say their were other Theirins cousins still alive, as that would just add more on to Bioware list of Truck-Up consistences and errors.

That would be lame. We're all hoping they handle it well. Going with the Couslands would be the best option I think. A lot of people like the Couslands because they at least played the human noble origin story and got to meet Bryce, Eleanor, and Fergus.
 

Whether Fergus or Teagan gets the Throne, I think I'll be ok with it. But in all honesty I'd prefer if after my Warden found the cure or whatever solution to the calling, he'd go back to his wife and continue ruling, since I went through the trouble of keeping him away from his true love and their son . But that just seems like wishful thinking.

I think that needs to be done as well. The King should not be away from his Queen and country for this long without the cure paying off. And he needs to get back soon so he can help Anora and Ferelden.

EDIT: All quotes are actually from NRO TYN.

Modifié par Dai Grepher, 28 avril 2016 - 02:34 .

[Almostfaceman]

LOL, somehow I got quoted in this thread though I haven't said anything in it yet. That's great!

 

[GoldenGail3]

LOL, somehow I got quoted in this thread though I haven't said anything in it yet. That's great!

 

I know, it feels great when people do that 

[NRO TYN]

Origins is by far my favorite outta the current 3 DA games( DA 2 ranks VERY LOW lmao XD ) I love it for many reasons,( Which I'm not going to get into ). But I can say one of the main reasons is because of the many outcomes you get while playing. But I'm im starting to realize that this is kinda hurting Bioware continuity, as it causes problems like which of are favorite characters are gonna be alive/dead in the next game, who's King/Queen, and miss spelling names( Fort Connor is named after Arl Eamon and Arl Teagan father, but yet his real name is Rendorn in The Stolen Throne   )

 

I'm gonna put this to bed now, but I sincerely hope Bioware handles the monstrous job of handling the many parallel universes that is DA, a bit better going forward. Cause it really sucks seeing Codex errors, miss use of titles, and very annoying bugs like your characters getting stuck during the middle of combat ( They patch the money vendor bug in The Descent over this one. I still don't understand the that one ? ) also please lets us get some news on the well fare and state of the southern Kingdoms and there monarchs ( I wanna see that golden age of Ferelden happen if my Warden survive finding the cure. Hes got a wife to help start a dynasty down there )

 

But I rest my case.

[Taki17]

 Fort Connor is named after Arl Eamon and Arl Teagan father, but yet his real name is Rendorn

We all know how this is going to be resolved. The next time Eamon's father is mentioned, we'll find out that his full name was Rendorn Connor Guerrin, and for whatever reason, different people knew him by different first names.

 

The same thing they did with Captain Bailey in Mass Effect. In the basegame, his name was Owen, in the DLC, he was named Armando. In ME3, his full name was Armando Owen Bailey.

[Reznore57]

You'd need some build up for Kieran to take the Ferelden throne.

It's not impossible , I mean he can have two different dads on the throne Alistair or the Cousland HOF...both daddies have fertility issues and it won't get better as years go by.

But you have only three potential players in this , Alistair , the HOF , and Morrigan.

Alistair and the HOF can make the bastard kid "official" , but if Morrigan doesn't want the kid to know anything or just the kid to be found...well chances are it's not happening.

 

Otherwise well the King throne will be left vacant but I'd say it may not be the end of the world.

The King of Queen of Ferelden might call a Landsmeet before kicking the bucket and name an "heir"  supported by the nobility votes.

Ferelden isn't Orlais , they are pretty chill when it comes to politics.

[NRO TYN]

You'd need some build up for Kieran to take the Ferelden throne.

It's not impossible , I mean he can have two different dads on the throne Alistair or the Cousland HOF...both daddies have fertility issues and it won't get better as years go by.

But you have only three potential players in this , Alistair , the HOF , and Morrigan.

Alistair and the HOF can make the bastard kid "official" , but if Morrigan doesn't want the kid to know anything or just the kid to be found...well chances are it's not happening.

 

Otherwise well the King throne will be left vacant but I'd say it may not be the end of the world.

The King of Queen of Ferelden might call a Landsmeet before kicking the bucket and name an "heir"  supported by the nobility votes.

Ferelden isn't Orlais , they are pretty chill when it comes to politics.

 

Kieran by birth, just like Alistair, is already a candidate for the throne. Whether is father is WardenKing,Alistair, or even Loghain. But if he does end up on the throne somehow I'll be beyond happy, but I just can't see it. Its mainly has to do with his mother being Morrigan. If hes OGB of WardenKing,Alistair, or Loghain Morrigan pretty much tells you she has plans for him to get ready for the coming change to the world prior to the soul being taken out of him by Flemeth( I think its after lol ). I know her plans for him might have change, but I really can't see her trying to support his claim to Ferelden.

[TK514]

Long Live King Fergus Cousland.

[GoldenGail3]

Long Live King Fergus Cousland.

[NRO TYN]

Long Live King Fergus Cousland.

 

I hope so, Fergus is the strongest vassal under the Monarch of Ferelden, but lets not forget Arl Teagan and the former Arl Eamon. Both of them have a stronger claim to the throne then Fergus, as their older sister Rowan was Queen and their nephew Cailan was King. And seeing how some of the nobles, like Eamon, loves the Theirin's so much, they might cast their lot in the landsmeet, even tho their not blood related anymore. But I prefer my older bro to rule =P