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[Reznore57]

Kieran by birth, just like Alistair, is already a candidate for the throne. Whether is father is WardenKing,Alistair, or even Loghain. But if he does end up on the throne somehow I'll be beyond happy, but I just can't see it. Its mainly has to do with his mother being Morrigan. If hes OGB of WardenKing,Alistair, or Loghain Morrigan pretty much tells you she has plans for him to get ready for the coming change to the world prior to the soul being taken out of him by Flemeth( I think its after lol ). I know her plans for him might have change, but I really can't see her trying to support his claim to Ferelden.

 

I sometimes imagine with the vague talk of Morrigan getting Mythal Godhood , or her being bound to Mythal's will , she may need to drop the kid.Mind you , I doubt this will ever happen in game ...

But whatever in this case well she doesn't have many people to rely on , and Kieran doesn't have the OGB soul anymore .

I'm not sure dragging a kid into world shattering events and revenge would be smart.

And in some cases he could still have a "destiny" or at least being King and keeping Ferelden together.

Something his grandmother Flemeth has been doing for hundred of years (she "helped" Calahan unite Ferelden and Marric get the throne back).

But like I said I doubt we'll get that in game , because Kieran is a wild card , for some people he doesn't even exist , and he has a lot of potential fathers...Alistair , Loghain , an Amell Father , a Cousland Father , an Aeducan Father , a carta dwarf , a Dalish elf , a city elf , a mage elf ....

Now I'm picturing Kieran trying to get the throne in Orzammar.Oh dear.

[nightscrawl]

We all know how this is going to be resolved. The next time Eamon's father is mentioned, we'll find out that his full name was Rendorn Connor Guerrin, and for whatever reason, different people knew him by different first names.
 
The same thing they did with Captain Bailey in Mass Effect. In the basegame, his name was Owen, in the DLC, he was named Armando. In ME3, his full name was Armando Owen Bailey.

 
The codex says,

Fort Connor was constructed by a young Arl Eamon after the Orlesians were driven from Ferelden. It was named in honor of Eamon's father, who died at the battle of West Hill—and after whom the arl named his son.

 
So I don't think it's too far fetched to think that his name is in fact Rendorn Connor Guerrin and was always meant to be so. I'm happy to admit inconsistencies when they occur, but I'm not entirely certain that is the case here.

 

Also, even if it is a name inconsistency or error, it has nothing to do with whether or not Bioware has divergent story paths. The characters of both Rendorn and Connor, as well as Fort Connor, existed before the player ever came around to influence Thedas.

[Cyrus Amell]

There really is no succession crises, at least not for the reasons of no heir-apparent. The Fereldans would just elevate a new family to Kingship at the Landsmeet, and as the Couslands survive no matter what Origin is chosen then they would make a good choice. The Guerrins might also be excellent candidates if Teagan did produce an heir. 

 

The risk of a civil war is very real, but the constant threat of an Orlesian Invasion could easily be leveraged by more sound minds to prevent such a struggle. Besides, either Alistair or Anora could nominate an heir before they die and thus head off any problems all-together. 

 

While the loss of the Theirin Bloodline is lamentable, it is by no means a requirement to keep Fereldan together despite the stated beliefs of Arl Eamon. 

[Sports72Xtrm]

There really is no succession crises, at least not for the reasons of no heir-apparent. The Fereldans would just elevate a new family to Kingship at the Landsmeet, and as the Couslands survive no matter what Origin is chosen then they would make a good choice. The Guerrins might also be excellent candidates if Teagan did produce an heir. 

 

The risk of a civil war is very real, but the constant threat of an Orlesian Invasion could easily be leveraged by more sound minds to prevent such a struggle. Besides, either Alistair or Anora could nominate an heir before they die and thus head off any problems all-together. 

 

While the loss of the Theirin Bloodline is lamentable, it is by no means a requirement to keep Fereldan together despite the stated beliefs of Arl Eamon. 

Either people who don't believe that bloodlines matter are out of touch or every codex about Ferelden culture are out of touch. Every codex about Ferelden politics is about loyalty beyond reason. Maybe that's an exageration but then you hear tales about how these people wage wars over insults to their dogs and who has the proper claim to an apple tree. What you define as "Sound minds" doesn't seem to aptly describe Fereldeners.

 

The problem with being fickle about the line of succession is that Ferelden vassals owe military obligations to their liege, yet often deny even sworn oaths and signed contracts. Orlais specializes in the Game. It may start well in the beginning, but once the usurper bloodline starts throwing their weight around, imagined slights and fortunes rised and ruined by the usurper kings policies will sow dissent somewhere. Empress Celene or Gaspard will sow discord among the Ferelden nobility so fast whether its with force and a heavy purse or intrigue that when this propped up monarch tries to organize a defense, they'll find that his vassals have already betrayed Ferelden. As Blackwall said, "It's names that carry power in this world, Bloodlines. [Thiers]. No matter how leaders like Celene or Gaspard pretend the Game is played."

 

"There are men who inspire such devotion that everyone around would lay down their lives for them. There are men who come and go in this world, and no one notes it."- Loghain

As Loghain says, the thing the Theirin bloodline had was that. No other noble will be able to rally Ferelden in such away, not Fergus, not Eamon, not any of the arls. Calenhad had it. Maric had it. And Alistair has it should he survive, either as King of Ferelden or Senior Warden of the Orlesian Grey Wardens. Can any Ferelden noble fill those shoes? Or will the people just see an opportunist tyrant using fear of Orlais to destroy everything Fereldeners value whether true or not? Maybe Eamon's not wrong and even if he is, he's popular enough to create a resistance that shares his sentiment. What the Theirins have is the name, the mettle, and an inspired army.

[TK514]

"There are men who inspire such devotion that everyone around would lay down their lives for them. There are men who come and go in this world, and no one notes it."- Loghain

As Loghain says, the thing the Theirin bloodline had was that. No other noble will be able to rally Ferelden in such away, not Fergus, not Eamon, not any of the arls. Calenhad had it. Maric had it. And Alistair has it should he survive, either as King of Ferelden or Senior Warden of the Orlesian Grey Wardens. Can any Ferelden noble fill those shoes? Or will the people just see an opportunist tyrant using fear of Orlais to destroy everything Fereldeners value whether true or not? Maybe Eamon's not wrong and even if he is, he's popular enough to create a resistance that shares his sentiment. What the Theirins have is the name, the mettle, and an inspired army.

 

Cailan didn't have it, Moira didn't have it, Brandel didn't have it, Vanedrin didn't have it, Arland didn't have it, and it's debatable that Alistair has it.  There are more Theirins we know about that didn't have it than the ones who might have.  None of the monarchs, starting with Arland and ending with Moira, were able to unite their nobles, even in the face of an exterior common threat.  Even were this mythical quality of the Theirins a reality, it would also be irrelevant, because what the Theirin line definitely doesn't have is an heir.  The Landsmeet has already shown that they are willing and able to put a non-Theirin on the throne, even when an actual Theirin is available, so electing a new bloodline to the monarchy will be a no brainer once the Theirins are no more.

 

The noble's will support the decision of the Landsmeet.  Eamon knew it, which is why it was first (and only) gambit for removing Loghain from power.  Whoever the Landsmeet elects will be the rightful monarch, and not a 'usurper'.  They'll have 'the name, the mettle, and the inspired army' unless they are lunatics like Arland or weak like the majority of the other Theirin kings.  For direct proof that you don't need a Theirin to rule Ferelden, even when one is alive, look no further than the fact that a Cousland and a MacTir can be the monarchs and no one sells the country out to Orlais, no spontaneous Civil Wars erupt, the earth doesn't crack open and swallow Ferelden whole, or anything else.  In fact, there are no negative consequences to the removal of the Theirins from Ferelden politics whatsoever.

[NRO TYN]

Cailan didn't have it, Moira didn't have it, Brandel didn't have it, Vanedrin didn't have it, Arland didn't have it, and it's debatable that Alistair has it.  There are more Theirins we know about that didn't have it than the ones who might have.  None of the monarchs, starting with Arland and ending with Moira, were able to unite their nobles, even in the face of an exterior common threat.  Even were this mythical quality of the Theirins a reality, it would also be irrelevant, because what the Theirin line definitely doesn't have is an heir.  The Landsmeet has already shown that they are willing and able to put a non-Theirin on the throne, even when an actual Theirin is available, so electing a new bloodline to the monarchy will be a no brainer once the Theirins are no more.

 

The noble's will support the decision of the Landsmeet.  Eamon knew it, which is why it was first (and only) gambit for removing Loghain from power.  Whoever the Landsmeet elects will be the rightful monarch, and not a 'usurper'.  They'll have 'the name, the mettle, and the inspired army' unless they are lunatics like Arland or weak like the majority of the other Theirin kings.  For direct proof that you don't need a Theirin to rule Ferelden, even when one is alive, look no further than the fact that a Cousland and a MacTir can be the monarchs and no one sells the country out to Orlais, no spontaneous Civil Wars erupt, the earth doesn't crack open and swallow Ferelden whole, or anything else.  In fact, there are no negative consequences to the removal of the Theirins from Ferelden politics whatsoever.

 

I agree also, a Warden King is able to rally the people of Ferelden, even tho hes clearly not a Therin. Hence who he/she stops the 5th Blight XD. I think the Theirins just have the prestige of being descendants of the first man to unite the land, and having Dragons blood, tho I'm not sure if thats canon.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Cailan didn't have it, Moira didn't have it, Brandel didn't have it, Vanedrin didn't have it, Arland didn't have it, and it's debatable that Alistair has it.  There are more Theirins we know about that didn't have it than the ones who might have.  None of the monarchs, starting with Arland and ending with Moira, were able to unite their nobles, even in the face of an exterior common threat.  Even were this mythical quality of the Theirins a reality, it would also be irrelevant, because what the Theirin line definitely doesn't have is an heir.  The Landsmeet has already shown that they are willing and able to put a non-Theirin on the throne, even when an actual Theirin is available, so electing a new bloodline to the monarchy will be a no brainer once the Theirins are no more.
 
The noble's will support the decision of the Landsmeet.  Eamon knew it, which is why it was first (and only) gambit for removing Loghain from power.  Whoever the Landsmeet elects will be the rightful monarch, and not a 'usurper'.  They'll have 'the name, the mettle, and the inspired army' unless they are lunatics like Arland or weak like the majority of the other Theirin kings.  For direct proof that you don't need a Theirin to rule Ferelden, even when one is alive, look no further than the fact that a Cousland and a MacTir can be the monarchs and no one sells the country out to Orlais, no spontaneous Civil Wars erupt, the earth doesn't crack open and swallow Ferelden whole, or anything else.  In fact, there are no negative consequences to the removal of the Theirins from Ferelden politics whatsoever.

Moira did had it which is what turned around the Ferelden rebellion in the first place. Cousland is a princ(e)/(ess) consort only and Anora will be queen- being barren as she is- will attain the crown for at most one generation. Not to mention, The Warden [married to Anora]'s prosperous reign according to the epilogue in Origins is one of in-fighting of control. That's not stable at all! The Mac Tirs bloodline maybe will continue the line through Kieran and that's because Fereldeners go nuts over the commoner obtaining the crown through impossible odds rags to riches story i.e., Calenhad ideal- but Cousland will be seen as a turncoat opportunist noble. The Landsmeet is mere words in the wind, a desperate last ditch for unity when the alternative is obliteration. But when its not against the Blight, how "official" is the Cousland's coronation or the Mac Tirs anymore than the usurper King Meghren's? Yeah people forgot that he was also crowned king by the turncoat nobles, "officialized" by a "Landmeet". No matter what, the Landmeet isn't unanimous and Anora herself believes that there are some nobles who believe that Theirin blood is important so it's just not Eamon making a power play.

 

Seeing as the Couslands/Mac Tir reign is just beginning, how can you even point to that as proof of anything when the passing of a successor hasn't even played out yet? It's just your assertion that there is no civil wars going to happen when the story about the Ferelden dynasty hasn't even been told yet, there's no "proof" of anything if we don't take into account the gap of time it will take to discern if your assertion is true. Anora is rightfully queen (if kept on the throne) but after her, there is no rightful heir. Look 10 years from now when Anora dies without an heir and there's going to be a problem.

[Sports72Xtrm]

I agree also, a Warden King is able to rally the people of Ferelden, even tho hes clearly not a Therin. Hence who he/she stops the 5th Blight XD. I think the Theirins just have the prestige of being descendants of the first man to unite the land, and having Dragons blood, tho I'm not sure if thats canon.

Even if the Warden was a good king, he's a Grey Warden who's practically sterile from the Joining, married to Anora- a barren queen who will bear him no heirs, with a possible bastard kid named Kieran who he can't acknowledge because the infidelity will tarnish Anora's legacy. We all know how Calenhad's infidelity almost tore the kingdom apart. And Fergus is a weak teryn who Ferelden will never rally under especially since the Guerrins will always claim the Couslands stole the crown. If Teagan didn't bow his head to Loghain or the Inquisitor, he's definitely not going to bow to a Cousland. It's short sighted to say a king Cousland will preserve Ferelden.

[NRO TYN]

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[NRO TYN]

Even if the Warden was a good king, he's a Grey Warden who's practically sterile from the Joining, married to Anora- a barren queen who will bear him no heirs, with a possible bastard kid named Kieran who he can't acknowledge because the infidelity will tarnish Anora's legacy. We all know how Calenhad's infidelity almost tore the kingdom apart. And Fergus is a weak teryn who Ferelden will never rally under especially since the Guerrins will always claim the Couslands stole the crown. If Teagan didn't bow his head to Loghain or the Inquisitor, he's definitely not going to bow to a Cousland. It's short sighted to say a king Cousland will preserve Ferelden.

Anora is not confirmed barren ( Tho I personally think she is ), those are just rumors, or it really just could have been Cailan shooting blanks, we don't know. But your right, Wardens are pretty much sterile, but they can procreate. We seen evidence of this with Sophia Dryden,a few NPCs who stated their grandparents were Wardens, and a male HoF whos in a relationship with Morrigan, but refuse the DR. So it can happen, its just the odds aren't that great.

 

I also don't think Kieran gonna be named Anora heir, but I believe that mainly because I doubt his mother would allow that, tho I wouldn't be mad if she did. But you forget that nobles elects their monarchs in Ferelden, so regardless who Anora names her heir, the nobles could just choose some else to be their monarch.

 

What exactly make you think Fergus is a weak Teryn?!?! I'm currently redoing all my playthroughs of all 3 DA games, and I'm starting off with my HWarden. From the convos I'm having with everyone in Castle Cousland it seems everyone has a high opinion of him, so much so his father thinks him capable of leading the main force of Highever to Ostagar. The only known defeat for Fergus was him and his scouting party getting ambushed by Darkspawn, and even then he manage to survive. So there's really is no bases to say hes a weak Teryn, or that he won't be good enough to persevere Ferelden, that's just short sighted . With the Exile/Execution/Sacrifice of Loghain, Fergus is the most powerful vassal under the crown, so Ferelden gonna want someone who's has the strength to help persevere Ferelden.  .

 

Sure Teagan and his older brother have a claim that Fergus doesn't have, but what gives you the idea they would deny Fergus if hes elected King lawfully? Teagan and the other banns denied Loghain because he left Cailan( His Nephew ) to die and they heard about it, and then shortly after this he decided to declare "Himself" Regent in a obvious power grab fulled by hatred,paranoia, and ignorance of Orlais and the Darkspawn. He thus wasn't healthy for Ferelden overall health.

 

Then with the Inquisition, he was sent as an ambassador to represent Ferelden's interest. The Inquisition had complete its mission of stopping the breach and Corypheus, but yet for 2yrs after, they held key Ferelden forts with no sight in relinquishing them. Also let not forget they had any army sitting in the Frostback doing nothing. They easily could have allied with Orlais and taken over Ferelden as far as the Ferelden council was concerned.( I do believe this was a major concerned to them ).

[NRO TYN]

There really is no succession crises, at least not for the reasons of no heir-apparent. The Fereldans would just elevate a new family to Kingship at the Landsmeet, and as the Couslands survive no matter what Origin is chosen then they would make a good choice. The Guerrins might also be excellent candidates if Teagan did produce an heir. 

 

The risk of a civil war is very real, but the constant threat of an Orlesian Invasion could easily be leveraged by more sound minds to prevent such a struggle. Besides, either Alistair or Anora could nominate an heir before they die and thus head off any problems all-together. 

 

While the loss of the Theirin Bloodline is lamentable, it is by no means a requirement to keep Fereldan together despite the stated beliefs of Arl Eamon. 

 

I didn't say it was a crises, more of an issue as theirs no "Clear Cut" heir for people, like me, who don't have a Theirin on the Throne. Its just a nagging issue that I hope Bioware don't over look, as were more then likely heading north, and gonna be dealing with things up there.

[Taki17]

One thing got me thinking: Flemeth was instrumental in every major event in fereldan politics. She killed Conobar, so the Couslands inherited his lands and became a noble family. She helped Calenhad gain the power to unite Ferelden. She saved Maric during the rebellion so that he could get back to the rebel army and continue his campaign. During the battle of Ostagar, she saved Alistair from certain death by the hands (claws, fangs, whatever) of the darkspawn, so that he could use his claim for the throne to remove Loghain.

 

Now that she's probably gone, do you think there will be a noticable change in politics as probably less new noble houses will be created and less Theirins will be saved from certain doom? Do you think the history of Ferelden would have turned out differently if she never intervened at all at any point?

[NRO TYN]

One thing got me thinking: Flemeth was instrumental in every major event in fereldan politics. She killed Conobar, so the Couslands inherited his lands and became a noble family. She helped Calenhad gain the power to unite Ferelden. She saved Maric during the rebellion so that he could get back to the rebel army and continue his campaign. During the battle of Ostagar, she saved Alistair from certain death by the hands (claws, fangs, whatever) of the darkspawn, so that he could use his claim for the throne to remove Loghain.

 

Now that she's probably gone, do you think there will be a noticable change in politics as probably less new noble houses will be created and less Theirins will be saved from certain doom? Do you think the history of Ferelden would have turned out differently if she never intervened at all at any point?

 

I never understood the legends, like was she really married to Lord Conorbar Elstan, or was that just a legend and lie she told Morrigan? She mentions she was betrayed like Mythal in her little rant in DAI, but I have my doubt it was over something as small as her lover being killed. 

 

I can't really recall how she help Calenhad from memory, but I do remember he was already making his way to uniting Ferelden way before the legend says he sought out her help. ( Please correct if wrong ). She seems to help "Men of Destiny" out a little on their fated paths, But as far as politics go, I do believe there will be some change, but not big ones. Like I believe the Ferelden way of life and politics of the court will remain the same. I think as far as "Men of Destiny" a.k.a hero's like the Calenhad,Marric,Loghain,The Warden, and Alistair are pretty much done with Ferelden. I think the next time we get some news on Ferelden will be an off handed comment up north, news of them going to war/getting invaded again by Orlais, or at some world cataclysm that I think is coming for the world of Thedas.

[Reznore57]

From vague memory , Calenhad wasn't some kind of cool guy who was some noble squire, he was a dog lord...aka truly a poor guy with a couple of dogs.But dude got ambitions , and after a while he managed to find a witch , made some bargain with her...and he got to drink the blood of a Great Dragon (bigger than High dragon , we've never seen any Great Dragon in games).

With the dragon blood he became a kind of super fighter , and then he went on his way to glory kicking ass with super dragon strength and he united Ferelden.

[TK514]

What exactly make you think Fergus is a weak Teryn?!?! I'm currently redoing all my playthroughs of all 3 DA games, and I'm starting off with my HWarden. From the convos I'm having with everyone in Castle Cousland it seems everyone has a high opinion of him, so much so his father thinks him capable of leading the main force of Highever to Ostagar. The only known defeat for Fergus was him and his scouting party getting ambushed by Darkspawn, and even then he manage to survive. So there's really is no bases to say hes a weak Teryn, or that he won't be good enough to persevere Ferelden, that's just short sighted . With the Exile/Execution/Sacrifice of Loghain, Fergus is the most powerful vassal under the crown, so Ferelden gonna want someone who's has the strength to help persevere Ferelden.  .

 

Exactly.  Any claims that Fergus is a 'weak Teyrn' are completely unsupported by the game.  In fact, he is presented in a completely positive light.  There are exactly zero negatives to his personality or personal ability presented.  Add to that the facts that he was raised and trained from birth to rule Highever, all but a kingdom in its own right, comes from an extremely well respected line, that may have seen Bryce named king if they weren't such strong Theirin supporters, is a war veteran of the Fifth Blight, and is obviously capable of producing heirs.

 

The irony is that if he were weak, he'd probably be an even better candidate because the Banns would think they could control him.  Though that didn't work out too well for anyone when they tried it with Arland.

[NRO TYN]

Exactly.  Any claims that Fergus is a 'weak Teyrn' are completely unsupported by the game.  In fact, he is presented in a completely positive light.  There are exactly zero negatives to his personality or personal ability presented.  Add to that the facts that he was raised and trained from birth to rule Highever, all but a kingdom in its own right, comes from an extremely well respected line, that may have seen Bryce named king if they weren't such strong Theirin supporters, is a war veteran of the Fifth Blight, and is obviously capable of producing heirs.

 

The irony is that if he were weak, he'd probably be an even better candidate because the Banns would think they could control him.  Though that didn't work out too well for anyone when they tried it with Arland.

 

The bold is pretty much on point.

 

Not exactly sure on how old Fergus is now, but I estimate around 40 something. He more then likely has remarried and sired a new heir to Highever, and hes clearly much younger then Teagan and Eamon, so I don't see how theirs any negatives to say he weak and people wouldn't want someone like him as King lol. 

[NRO TYN]

From vague memory , Calenhad wasn't some kind of cool guy who was some noble squire, he was a dog lord...aka truly a poor guy with a couple of dogs.But dude got ambitions , and after a while he managed to find a witch , made some bargain with her...and he got to drink the blood of a Great Dragon (bigger than High dragon , we've never seen any Great Dragon in games).

With the dragon blood he became a kind of super fighter , and then he went on his way to glory kicking ass with super dragon strength and he united Ferelden.

 

I recall Calenhad being a commoner who's only prestige was being a relative to a merchant, and squire to a cowardly lord. I don't think he was a noble "a.k.a Dog Lord" just yet.

[Reznore57]

I recall Calenhad being a commoner who's only prestige was being a relative to a merchant, and squire to a cowardly lord. I don't think he was a noble "a.k.a Dog Lord" just yet.

 

I mean Dog Lord as a joke because he was just taking care of dogs and nothing else.Nothing about being a squire or anything just a poor peasent with great ambitions.

[Dai Grepher]

First I must point out that for all Eamon's talk of a surviving son of the blood, most banns do not care about Alistair's stronger claim to the throne even over a "commoner" like Loghain. If the Warden does not destroy Loghain's support, the banns side with him, because he displays strength. They will also accept Anora over Alistair.

Second, the question of how influential Mythal/Flemeth were is an interesting one. She killed Connobar, which allowed his Cousland general to take control. But it was said that Connobar had no heirs. So perhaps this change was inevitable. The story also goes that Connobar bargained with money he did not have. So perhaps the Couslands were always destined to take Highever. Flemeth just played a small part by becoming part of the Cousland's destiny, rather than being the cause of it. Same with the Warden treaties. It is better to have them than not, but none of them were really needed. Everyone who agrees to help you can do so because you helped them with something. The only time I remember using the treaties was to gain access to Orzammar, but theoretically, having Shale with us could have been enough since they would want to record Shale's existence in the memories. I suppose getting us out of Ishal is a pretty big role. But would we really have died had she not intervened? Or was her intervention part of the reason why we lost consciousness? She needed a reason to put us in her debt so we would agree to take Morrigan with us. But I guess she did help Maric and Loghain.
 

Not exactly sure on how old Fergus is now, but I estimate around 40 something.

Well, World of Thedas Vol. 2 has a story about Bryce and Eleanor that contradicts the lore in Origins. I don't consider the story canon, but who knows what BioWare will do with it from this point. Basically, Bryce and Eleanor don't even get married until like 9:03 or something. Which means the earliest Fergus can be born is about 9:04. So that would make him 40 in 9:44. But it would make him 26 in Origins, which just doesn't seem correct. He looks older.

However, WoT2 is wrong compared to the lore and facts stated in Origins. Bryce and Eleanor must have been married during the Orlesian occupation, and I believe Fergus was born during it. I estimate Fergus was born in 8:95 or so. That would make him 35 at the start of Origins. 35 seems right. Bryce and Eleanor are also pretty old. Figure about 55 for them. Rendon's Howe's eldest, Nathaniel, was born in 9:01 I believe, and Rendon was another old dog. Figure they fought in the war in their late teens, married in their 20s. That puts them at the right ages in comparison to their kids. Loghain is another one. He married and bedded Celia by 8:99, and Anora was born 8:100.

I calculate my Cousland as being born 8:99, for any who are interested.
 

He more then likely has remarried and sired a new heir to Highever, and hes clearly much younger then Teagan and Eamon, so I don't see how theirs any negatives to say he weak and people wouldn't want someone like him as King lol.

WoT screws up Eamon and Teagan's ages too, though I don't remember how badly. Basically it makes Eamon much younger than he looks in Origins. Also, it wrongly states that he left Ferelden and stayed out of the war, when Origins clearly shows Loghain saying, "You fought with us once Eamon, you cared about this land once. Before you got too old and fat, and content to see what even you risk."

But yes, Fergus should be younger than they. Eamon at least.

Sorry for the rant. At least I quoted the right person this time.

[TK514]

Moira did had it which is what turned around the Ferelden rebellion in the first place.

 

She most definitely did not have it, which is why her assassins were Ferelden nobles pretending to join her cause.

 

Also, ten years into a Cousland/MacTir reign is not 'just beginning'.  It's a decade during which the games themselves state have seen their popularity rise as they rebuild the nation.

 

Most of what you've said exists only in your absurdly unsupported headcannon.  At this point you'd be better off either cutting your losses or changing track to make it clear you're making it up as you go.

[Dai Grepher]

She most definitely did not have it, which is why her assassins were Ferelden nobles pretending to join her cause.

I mostly agree with you, but she did at least have some strength in uniting most nobles and citizens to rebel. She organized their effort. Without her, there probably would not have been a resistance at all. She wasn't enough to get the job done, no, but she still played an important role.

Also, ten years into a Cousland/MacTir reign is not 'just beginning'.  It's a decade during which the games themselves state have seen their popularity rise as they rebuild the nation.

True. Though Anora's support has slipped since the Hero King disappeared, and rumors are that she is distressed by his absence.

Most of what you've said exists only in your absurdly unsupported headcannon.  At this point you'd be better off either cutting your losses or changing track to make it clear you're making it up as you go.

That's a little harsh.

[Secret Rare]

 In fact, there are no negative consequences to the removal of the Theirins from Ferelden politics whatsoever.

There will be positive consequences with their removal.

This dynasty didn't make Ferelden a great nation and also the awkward diplomatic skill of Alistair in DAI speak for itself.

[Secret Rare]

I calculate my Cousland as being born 8:99, for any who are interested.
 
 

Impossible the PC shouldn't have been born in 8:99 he is one of the youngest in DAO.

[NRO TYN]

 

There will be positive consequences with their removal.

This dynasty didn't make Ferelden a great nation and also the awkward diplomatic skill of Alistair in DAI speak for itself.

 

 

I still like the Theirins, but you know, I have to agree with you. Even tho their ancestor Calenhad manage to subdue the may tribes and whittle down the many Teyrns, then form the Kingdom of Ferelden, he only mange to do just that. Form Ferelden. Once that was done, problems(Problem) arose and he was force to duel and kill his father-in-law and biggest supporter, then abdicate the Throne. I don't ever recall hearing Ferelden being a great nation, much less a great one under Theirin rule. Only a stable enough one to the point of being able to fight back one Orlesian Invasion, and only "One". Ferelden under Theirin rule never had the prestige of being called a great nation like say Navarra under the Pentaghast and Van Markham dynasties.

 

Hopefully in DA4 if Anora gives birth,Alistair has a legitimate child,they both have a baby together, or either one of them names Fergus or Teagan as heir, their able to bring Ferelden into great nation status, and able to contain and ever expansions Orlais.

 

Also, why do people keep saying Alistair as King never did a great job in DAI? Was it because he let the mages take Redcliff?? Anora does that to. My main playthrough is a King Warden, but even then from the Youtube videos I've seen, it seems a King Alistair, harden or no, does a decent job of ruling. Whats the bases of him doing a crappy job in DAI? I'm curious.

 

Impossible the PC shouldn't have been born in 8:99 he is one of the youngest in DAO.

 

What exactly is the age of Warden in DA:O?? I know you can pretty much RP the Warden age, but has Bioware given an exact age for each of the Origins background, especially the Human Warden?

[Macha'Anu]

Alistair whines if is made King and whines if is left as a Warden, so I better kill him and there are no whines (or backstabs) Anora is competent but then she is not so popular for the people, as none of them can have children, I guess they might choose their successor at some point, and I guessing that it will be a Guerrin or a Cousland as they are the most powerful families on Ferelden...or maybe they just get conquered by Gaspard/blown up by Solas and don't have to be concerned anymore.

He didnt whine either time i made him king or warden respectively. But then i hardened him for king and didnt harden him when i kept him as warden. Plus When i made him queen he was able to marry the woman he loved, my warden heh, so he was content either way.