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[Andromelek]

He didnt whine either time i made him king or warden respectively. But then i hardened him for king and didnt harden him when i kept him as warden. Plus When i made him queen he was able to marry the woman he loved, my warden heh, so he was content either way.

On the comics and some letters ge still whines on being King, also he's such an horrible and ungrateful person, killing him was for the well of the many I think.

[Duelist]

Unrelated but I read the title as "Hair Issue". Curse this sleep deprived brain of mine.

[Beerfish]

Did BioWare ever explain why they suddenly made Teaghan a moronic ahole from being a reasonable sounding diplomatic fellow?

[Andromelek]

Did BioWare ever explain why they suddenly made Teaghan a moronic ahole from being a reasonable sounding diplomatic fellow?

I think Orlais turned him into a moron, too bad, he was the only member of that family that I did not hate.

[Dai Grepher]

Impossible the PC shouldn't have been born in 8:99 he is one of the youngest in DAO.

One of the youngest what? Origins? Compared to what exactly? I think he's one of the oldest if not the oldest, next to the dwarven origins perhaps. The elves and the mages are the youngest by far.

Most people think that since his nickname is "pup" with Bryce that means the Cousland is a child. Gameplay-wise that's just a placeholder for a first name, which can't realistically be accounted for in speech. But a nickname is just that. It sticks for life. A parent can call their offspring "pup" or "sport" for life. It doesn't mean they are forever young. Also, Eleanor acknowledges that you've grown into a fine man in your own right.

Also, there is evidence that the Cousland can be around 30, probably anywhere between 18 and 34.

First there's Fergus. You would have to be at least 9 months younger than him, so he is the cap. Fergus looks to be about 35 (possibly younger). Fergus' son Oren looks to be about 10 or so. That would make Fergus about 25 when Oren was conceived, assuming Oren was conceived on the wedding night (it's possible Fergus and Orianna waited a few years to conceive). Figure Fergus courted Orianna for about 2 years before her Antivan merchant family decided to agree to the marriage. Figure 3 years of his parents seeking out a good wife for him. Maybe 2 years of him playing the field himself. That puts him at 18. So this makes sense.

Fergus is born 8:95, turns 18 in 9:13, is introduced to Orianna in 9:18, 2 years of courtship then 9:20, Oren conceived around 9:20, he's about 10 years old in 9:30. It works.

Ser Gilmore confirms in conversation that you are easily as skilled as men twice your age. So that means anywhere between 32 and 68, with obviously some lenience on Ser Gilmore's statement.

Dairren confirms that people say you are more likely to inherit the Teyrnir than Fergus. This implies that you and Fergus might actually be close in age.

Your parents are old. So it's likely that they had the human noble soon after Fergus. Landra also appears aged. Her son is somewhat young looking.

Iona is also mid to late 20s. She has a young daughter who might be about 10, perhaps older. She was married until her husband died of illness. So figure she was 28. I'm not sure if Origins gives an age for when the city elves are matched with their partner, but I assume 18. Anyway, the fact that Iona is a possible "romance", I think that would suggest the human noble male (whom she displays interest in) would logically be older than her. Though I realize she will show the same interest in a younger male as well. I'm just pointing out what is the more logical scenario.

Anora is approaching 30 during the events of Origins, which means she was born in 8:100. Nathaniel is 30 in Awakening. That means he was born in 9:1. That also means his father Rendon was married before 9:1, and it's likely that Bryce and Eleanor were married before he was.

Then there is Mother Mallol, who insists on you just calling her Mallol. She says she has known you since you were a wee babe. This indicates that she is only a few years older than you. In fact, she is likely Fergus' age. She wouldn't have known Fergus as a baby since she was as young as him. So being about five years older than the human noble would make sense.

Anora is also okay with marrying the male human noble, which shows that he is the same age as her, unlike the case with Alistair who is much younger than she is.

And finally there are Bryce and Eleanor themselves. They are old. Is it possible they had a baby 18 years ago? Sure. Is it likely? Somewhat. But more likely is that they had their two kids close to each other when they were still young.

Bryce also entrusted Highever to the human noble, which means he is experienced enough to look after things while he is away. His mother believes in him as well, as she planned to leave a few days after.

Hopefully in DA4 if Anora gives birth,Alistair has a legitimate child,they both have a baby together, or either one of them names Fergus or Teagan as heir, their able to bring Ferelden into great nation status, and able to contain and ever expansions Orlais.

Again, depends when DA4 takes place. It will likely be 9:44, not long enough for anything to really change.

Also, why do people keep saying Alistair as King never did a great job in DAI?

His written letters are goofy and idiotic. Anora remains professional the whole way.

What exactly is the age of Warden in DA:O?? I know you can pretty much RP the Warden age, but has Bioware given an exact age for each of the Origins background, especially the Human Warden?

No, other than WoT2 screwing with things there is no mention of his age or any other Cousland's.

Did BioWare ever explain why they suddenly made Teaghan a moronic ahole from being a reasonable sounding diplomatic fellow?

They are under the impression that they fixed him, and he was no longer an a hole in Trespasser. Rather, his first version was even worse, and they revised him and they think he is rational in the DLC.

[Secret Rare]

One of the youngest what? Origins? Compared to what exactly? I think he's one of the oldest if not the oldest, next to the dwarven origins perhaps. The elves and the mages are the youngest by far.

Most people think that since his nickname is "pup" with Bryce that means the Cousland is a child. Gameplay-wise that's just a placeholder for a first name, which can't realistically be accounted for in speech. But a nickname is just that. It sticks for life. A parent can call their offspring "pup" or "sport" for life. It doesn't mean they are forever young. Also, Eleanor acknowledges that you've grown into a fine man in your own right.

Also, there is evidence that the Cousland can be around 30, probably anywhere between 18 and 34.

First there's Fergus. You would have to be at least 9 months younger than him, so he is the cap. Fergus looks to be about 35 (possibly younger). Fergus' son Oren looks to be about 10 or so. That would make Fergus about 25 when Oren was conceived, assuming Oren was conceived on the wedding night (it's possible Fergus and Orianna waited a few years to conceive). Figure Fergus courted Orianna for about 2 years before her Antivan merchant family decided to agree to the marriage. Figure 3 years of his parents seeking out a good wife for him. Maybe 2 years of him playing the field himself. That puts him at 18. So this makes sense.

Fergus is born 8:95, turns 18 in 9:13, is introduced to Orianna in 9:18, 2 years of courtship then 9:20, Oren conceived around 9:20, he's about 10 years old in 9:30. It works.

Ser Gilmore confirms in conversation that you are easily as skilled as men twice your age. So that means anywhere between 32 and 68, with obviously some lenience on Ser Gilmore's statement.

Dairren confirms that people say you are more likely to inherit the Teyrnir than Fergus. This implies that you and Fergus might actually be close in age.

Your parents are old. So it's likely that they had the human noble soon after Fergus. Landra also appears aged. Her son is somewhat young looking.

Iona is also mid to late 20s. She has a young daughter who might be about 10, perhaps older. She was married until her husband died of illness. So figure she was 28. I'm not sure if Origins gives an age for when the city elves are matched with their partner, but I assume 18. Anyway, the fact that Iona is a possible "romance", I think that would suggest the human noble male (whom she displays interest in) would logically be older than her. Though I realize she will show the same interest in a younger male as well. I'm just pointing out what is the more logical scenario.

Anora is approaching 30 during the events of Origins, which means she was born in 8:100. Nathaniel is 30 in Awakening. That means he was born in 9:1. That also means his father Rendon was married before 9:1, and it's likely that Bryce and Eleanor were married before he was.

Then there is Mother Mallol, who insists on you just calling her Mallol. She says she has known you since you were a wee babe. This indicates that she is only a few years older than you. In fact, she is likely Fergus' age. She wouldn't have known Fergus as a baby since she was as young as him. So being about five years older than the human noble would make sense.

Anora is also okay with marrying the male human noble, which shows that he is the same age as her, unlike the case with Alistair who is much younger than she is.
 

It's entirely possible for parents to have a child after decades from the firstborn.

The current age of the PC  is mostly fleshed out by several comments in the game.

 

-Bryce never once call Fergus pup while calling the young Pc in that way i don't see a 30 years old person being called a pup.

-The PC is more respected than Fergus because won several tournaments in the country not because has a similar  age.

-Eleanor say that this is your first time to be in charge which implies that the PC is very young.

-In DAA one of the nobles call you young Cousland and then imply than being young is not just a matter of age thus say you are not so young anymore in his eyes because you are a commander and possess many titles.

-Delilah Howe said that the male Cousland was young and arrogant,if she said that the warden is young than it means that the warden is young in DAO.

 

 

 

The PC Cousland is canonically more younger than Alistair which is the youngest of the party so the Pc Noble is born after 9:10 and never before,he is between 19 and 18 no more.

 

-Anora want to marry a man that is 8-9 years more young than her ?What's the problem?If she want him there are no problems.

 

 

Is only in  Trespasser that  the Cousland warden is 32 years old.

[aTrueFool]

From what I have read in World of Thedas volume 2 Bryce and Eleanor first met in 9:02 after Maric captured Denerim. So the PC Cousland couldn't be older than 26.

[Secret Rare]

From what I have read in World of Thedas volume 2 Bryce and Eleanor first met in 9:02 after Maric captured Denerim. So the PC Cousland couldn't be older than 26.

Which proof that 18-19 is possible for the warden but 30 is too much.

[Dai Grepher]

It's entirely possible for parents to have a child after decades from the firstborn.

Possible, but it's more likely they will have their children while they are young and then that's it.

The current age of the PC  is mostly fleshed out by several comments in the game.

I agree, and it is determined to be anywhere between 18 and 34.

-Bryce never once call Fergus pup while calling the young Pc in that way i don't see a 30 years old person being called a pup.

My grandfather's nickname was "Babe" and he was called that by his wife, sister-in-law, nieces & nephews, and his friends until the day he died. He was in his 70s. Nicknames stick.

-The PC is more respected than Fergus because won several tournaments in the country not because has a similar  age.

When was that ever said? All I remember is Dairren commenting that the human noble beat him handily in a sparring match.

-Eleanor say that this is your first time to be in charge which implies that the PC is very young.

No it doesn't. It just means that Bryce has been in charge of it most, then Eleanor in his place, then Fergus when the occasion arose. Having two people ahead of you after the Teryn himself will cause that. But it could be argued that being left in charge instead of Eleanor proves that you are more mature than someone in their 20s. And this was in a time of possible calamity, with the Blight to the south.

-In DAA one of the nobles call you young Cousland and then imply than being young is not just a matter of age thus say you are not so young anymore in his eyes because you are a commander and possess many titles.

Who was that, Eddlebreck? Young compared to him, certainly. But he also remarks that he met you many years ago. That means the last time he saw the human noble was probably when he was a child.

-Delilah Howe said that the male Cousland was young and arrogant,if she said that the warden is young than it means that the warden is young in DAO.

I don't remember her saying "young" exactly. She only said "that stuck-up Cousland boy". The use of "boy" is just a demeaning term.

If you choose the option to tell Rendon Howe that you got the impression Delilah didn't care for you very much (canon), he says that was probably years ago. So your last meeting with her could have been many years before that.

The PC Cousland is canonically more younger than Alistair which is the youngest of the party so the Pc Noble is born after 9:10 and never before,he is between 19 and 18 no more.

There is no "canon". That might be BioWare's "default", but it isn't canon. I don't know of any part of Origins that implies the human noble is younger than Alistair.
 

-Anora want to marry a man that is 8-9 years more young than her ?What's the problem?If she want him there are no problems.

She didn't even want to marry Cailan, who was only a few years younger than her, and she detests the idea of marrying Alistair, who is even younger. And yet she has no problem marrying the Cousland, whom you think is even younger than Alistair.

Is only in  Trespasser that  the Cousland warden is 32 years old.

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[Dai Grepher]

From what I have read in World of Thedas volume 2 Bryce and Eleanor first met in 9:02 after Maric captured Denerim. So the PC Cousland couldn't be older than 26.

As stated in a previous post, this isn't possible. It contradicts several canon facts stated in Origins. In fact, the WoT2 entry even contradicts itself. It states that only Bryce and Eleanor showed up at Rendon Howe's wedding. Yet Nathaniel was born in 9:1. Which means the wedding would need to be before 9:1, and long before WoT2 claims Bryce and Eleanor met each other.

Which proof that 18-19 is possible for the warden but 30 is too much.

World of Thedas is wrong.

[Secret Rare]

There is no "canon". That might be BioWare's "default", but it isn't canon. I don't know of any part of Origins that implies the human noble is younger than Alistair.
 
 

There is a canon about the age of the PC's none of them is in their 30.

Yes Delilah calling the warden boy it means that it was young otherwise she would have chosen different words

[aTrueFool]

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As stated in a previous post, this isn't possible. It contradicts several canon facts stated in Origins. In fact, the WoT2 entry even contradicts itself. It states that only Bryce and Eleanor showed up at Rendon Howe's wedding. Yet Nathaniel was born in 9:1. Which means the wedding would need to be before 9:1, and long before WoT2 claims Bryce and Eleanor met each other.


World of Thedas is wrong.

The only info I've seen on Nathaniel date of birth is from the wiki which is that he was born 9:00 or 9:01 however the source for this is a PM from David Gaider saying that he thinks they set Nathaniel's age at thirty. If his age is stated 30 in Awakenings (been long time since I played it) it could be explained away as him being a bastard.

Rendon Howe met his wife Eliane Bryland a month or so after the battle of White River. a few months later they both moved to the arling of Amaranthine and about a year later Howe proposed, around 8:98 is my guess. I can see Howe having trouble getting the wedding set up with the ongoing war, the freeholders of Amaranthine not backing him as Arl and Leonas Bryland being against the marriage.

So maybe Nathaniel was born out of wedlock, maybe that is why Rendon Howe seemed to favour his other son Thomas.

Or maybe they just changed their mind.

[Dai Grepher]

There is a canon about the age of the PC's none of them is in their 30.

Oh, you mean each has an age range determined by storyline. Well I agree on that, but nothing in the Human Noble's storyline states he can't be 30. As I posted, numerous facts fit the idea that he can be 30.

Yes Delilah calling the warden boy it means that it was young otherwise she would have chosen different words

She didn't like him, so "boy" could have been meant as an insult or condescending term. Or, Rendon may have been trying to push the idea of marriage to the male Human Noble on Delilah since they were both children.

The only info I've seen on Nathaniel date of birth is from the wiki which is that he was born 9:00 or 9:01 however the source for this is a PM from David Gaider saying that he thinks they set Nathaniel's age at thirty. If his age is stated 30 in Awakenings (been long time since I played it) it could be explained away as him being a bastard.

I don't see why he would be a bastard. If Rendon were to get Eliane pregnant then it seems likely that they would marry soon after, or else not at all. She was of a noble house. So it's likely they would either be married first, her honor might demand it, or at least they would marry soon after finding out. Or else Rendon wouldn't even want to bother.

Rendon Howe met his wife Eliane Bryland a month or so after the battle of White River. a few months later they both moved to the arling of Amaranthine and about a year later Howe proposed, around 8:98 is my guess. I can see Howe having trouble getting the wedding set up with the ongoing war, the freeholders of Amaranthine not backing him as Arl and Leonas Bryland being against the marriage.

The way that WoT2 presents the wedding ceremony, Bryce and Eleanor being the only ones to show up seems like a barb at Rendon's expense, like he invited many who could have made it but chose not to go because they despised him so much. I mean, I can see not being able to get a large crowd, but at least a few fellow nobles and comrades.

So maybe Nathaniel was born out of wedlock, maybe that is why Rendon Howe seemed to favour his other son Thomas. Or maybe they just changed their mind.

Or WoT2 is wrong like the first one was in many ways.

I don't think Rendon favored Thomas. I read somewhere that Thomas died trying to take Highever. But he is dead in any case. I think Rendon sent Nathaniel to the Free Marches to protect him and so he could train and become stronger. And he does carry the family name, so I don't think he's a bastard. It is never said that he was.

And though I don't really take Gaider's word for anything, if he planned Nathaniel to be born in 9:1, and nothing in the canon contradicts this, then its likely BioWare will just see him as that old.

But as for Bryce and Eleanor, there are other facts in the Hhuman Noble origin that indicates they can't be as young as WoT2 claimed they were. I once pointed out all of the lore points that support Bryce being older, and I would have to look that thread up again. But basically the story contradicts things stated in the game, thus proving that it is not consistent and was just made up by some writer who wasn't familiar with the lore. Bryce must have been a grown man during the war. Old enough to lead and command soldiers. And there is no way Eleanor commanded a ship at 15 or 16 or whatever. I think there also may have been a conflict with Fergus' age being too young in this case to realistically have Oren.

World of Thedas also messed up on the City Elf origin story regarding the City Elf's father's age and backstory.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Cailan didn't have it

 

A family of idiots....

 

Spoiler

[Dai Grepher]

http://forum.bioware...ies-and-errors/

This thread points out why Eleanor's WoT2 backstory is wrong.

[aTrueFool]

Lot of head canon in that thread.

Here's some of mine.

The collection in the study is William's. As a scholar type he love books and would always have one or two that he would read while on campaign. When he got sick he couldn't do much else but read so he built up a library of books. After his death Bryce had William's collection moved to Castle Cousland as way to remember him. So we have William's Study in Castle Cousland even though he was never there.

Any way I should probably talk about the heir issue. I think that there would be two possible outcomes

1: A Theirin heir if Alistair is king, The warder having found the calling "cure" which also helps with the fertility problem. The mother being Anora or Cousland Warden if married, a mistress warden or some random noble woman.

2: A Cousland heir if Anora is Queen. The father being the Cousland Warden or Fergus.

I don't see the heir being more than a codex entry in DA4 but in 5 or 6 he or she (maybe even them) could play a part, hell they could even be a PC option.

[NRO TYN]

Lot of head canon in that thread.

Here's some of mine.

The collection in the study is William's. As a scholar type he love books and would always have one or two that he would read while on campaign. When he got sick he couldn't do much else but read so he built up a library of books. After his death Bryce had William's collection moved to Castle Cousland as way to remember him. So we have William's Study in Castle Cousland even though he was never there.

Any way I should probably talk about the heir issue. I think that there would be two possible outcomes

1: A Theirin heir if Alistair is king, The warder having found the calling "cure" which also helps with the fertility problem. The mother being Anora or Cousland Warden if married, a mistress warden or some random noble woman.

2: A Cousland heir if Anora is Queen. The father being the Cousland Warden or Fergus.

I don't see the heir being more than a codex entry in DA4 but in 5 or 6 he or she (maybe even them) could play a part, hell they could even be a PC option.

 

Thank you ever so much for getting back on topic!

 

I had pretty much abandon this thread and was hoping a dev close, due to people caring more about how old someone unimportant was lol.

 

I'm just wondering what was the purpose of leaving the Ferelden Monarchy in a state of heirlessness if its not going to be important down the line?

[kitcat1228]

It's not just the Ferelden throne that has no heir. Neither Celene or Gaspard have heirs. The king of Nevarra is very elderly and his only heir is his equally elderly brother who has no children. And Kirkwall's Viscount is unmarried and as far as we know has no kids. Starkhaven may be lacking in heirs too.

[Taki17]

It's not just the Ferelden throne that has no heir. Neither Celene or Gaspard have heirs. The king of Nevarra is very elderly and his only heir is his equally elderly brother who has no children. And Kirkwall's Viscount is unmarried and as far as we know has no kids. Starkhaven may be lacking in heirs too.

I have no fear, that if either ruler of Orlais dies without any heirs, a capable player of the Game will soon ascend to the throne after a relatively short transition period.

 

The Nevarran line of succession is assured for many generations as half of the country is related to the Pentaghasts and there is a very clear line of succession (Cassandra herself is the eighty-something in line).

 

The current viscount of Kirkwall is Varric, and he does not seem the type of guy that has trouble fathering heirs.

 

Sebastian becomes the prince of Starkhaven no matter what, and he is quite young and liked by his people, so again, he has a lot of time and opportunity to father an heir.

[kitcat1228]

 

I have no fear, that if either ruler of Orlais dies without any heirs, a capable player of the Game will soon ascend to the throne after a relatively short transition period.
 
The Nevarran line of succession is assured for many generations as half of the country is related to the Pentaghasts and there is a very clear line of succession (Cassandra herself is the eighty-something in line).
 
The current viscount of Kirkwall is Varric, and he does not seem the type of guy that has trouble fathering heirs.
 
Sebastian becomes the prince of Starkhaven no matter what, and he is quite young and liked by his people, so again, he has a lot of time and opportunity to father an heir.

Oh I know, but it seems Bioware is keeping their options open for succession issues for later protagonists to resolve. I vaguely recall a codex mentioning the Nevarra succession isn't as clear cut, the Markham family is making moves to be the reigning family again, so there might be a civil war.

With Varric being hung up on Bianca and Sebastian hung up on the Maker/Andraste they might have issues getting heirs.

Honestly I think Bioware is just not writing themselves out of possible plotlines.

[fhs33721]

Did BioWare ever explain why they suddenly made Teaghan a moronic ahole from being a reasonable sounding diplomatic fellow?

Because your Inquisitor, with ties to the Orlaisian throne, was sticking her/his flag into half of Fereldan, from fortresses to random sightseeing points, and refused to get that garbage out of there after the Corypheus crisis was averted?

[XEternalXDreamsX]

Because your Inquisitor, with ties to the Orlaisian throne, was sticking her/his flag into half of Fereldan, from fortresses to random sightseeing points, and refused to get that garbage out of there after the Corypheus crisis was averted?

We are seeing a different side of Teagan. Instead of being his savior at Redcliffe that saves his brother along with stopping the Blight from engulfing his homeland... we are as you just stated.

With the threat gone, he sees the Inquisition as an outside force just chilling in his homeland. Because we played the Hero of *Fereldan*, some people expected him to act the same way. I'd understand if the threat was there but two years has gone by.. with the Inquisition going no where.

To add..

I really hope we get an heir in some capacity due to player agency. I really do.. even as a Codex to update us. Or a conversation that introduces the new PC to the current affairs of the rulers in Fereldan.