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[Irx]

I'm not sure what is a gender to a golem, but in the russian official add-on description Shale is labeled as a female: the russian add-on name is "The Stone (female) Prisoner" (a gender specific version of the word prisoner is used), plus the name Shale is localised to Shayla. (here: http://www.electroni....ru/news/59560/)

So I'm wondering, has Shales's gender been mentioned previously, or maybe this is simply a translation error?

[Lifter82]

Lol, I think you can blame the translation on this one. Duno if there is anything mentioned in Dragon Age lore but I don´t hink Golems have any gender.

[Shensi]

In the trailer he doesn't sound female. Then again his voice isn't that deep either, which is what I would've expected from a golem. He also cares about his appearance (comment about if the crystals make him look too wide), again really odd for a golem.

Perhaps it's his secret?

[MrKrisSatan]

I don't think constructs have genders, I suppose its possible for one to think of its self as male or female.

[Belgrom]

Try to have an affaire with him, than you'll see.

[drakeyuuhi]

i really don't want try be affair with him. dude golem weight alot. that would kill someone hero

[Hylan Dronta]

Shale is an it. Its impossible to have a gender for any construct.

[Irx]

Hylan Dronta wrote...

Shale is an it. Its impossible to have a gender for any construct.

Anatomically yes, but it can has any personality.

[hakwea]

A construct can certainly have a gender. How many stores have gender specific constructs displaying clothes? Alot.

[Irx]

Shensi wrote...

In the trailer he doesn't sound female. Then again his voice isn't that deep either, which is what I would've expected from a golem. He also cares about his appearance (comment about if the crystals make him look too wide), again really odd for a golem.
Perhaps it's his secret?

Hmm... Maybe he's gay? Scary! Now that would make perfect sense - they did have to invent something to beat the famous blue alien lesbian sex scene in some other game after all.

[Ralsar]

If constructs are imbued with a human/elf/dwarf/whatever type of spirit or soul then their personalities may manifest themselves as a particular gender. If their sentience is not tied to a normal humanoid existence it is unlikely they'll fall on either side of the fence. Sure their personality may be molded by their socialization giving them a male or female slant to their mannerisms and speech, but that doesn't really make them identify with a particular gender. And it is unlikely they have any sort of sexual desire to fufill.

[Althernai]

No, Chris said that Shale doesn't have any gender (and not just anatomically)

Shale is an object, not a person. As such there really is no gender to apply. Since golems are "things" I am going to use "It" to describe... well, it. I know some people will say "he" (a few may even say she, I guess), but I am calling it "It".

Link

Modifié par Althernai, 15 octobre 2009 - 04:26 .

[Ralsar]

Official word is official

[Maria Caliban]

Hylan Dronta wrote...

Shale is an it. Its impossible to have a gender for any construct.

It's possible for a construct to be biologically male or female, you'd just have to create them to reproduce sexually. Even if they weren't created that way, it's still possible for them to have gender.

[Maria Caliban]

Ralsar wrote...

Official word is official

He's not the offical word on the matter though.

[LadyKarrakaz]

Since Shale's quest, as I remember, is to help it to "humanize", maybe it will develop some gender. But I doubt it, I don't see the point (story wise) in giving a gender to Shale (romance is NOT an option )

Modifié par Purple Lady, 15 octobre 2009 - 10:31 .

[caspertjuhh]

i'd say translation error

[NiaSaV]

Althernai wrote...

No, Chris said that Shale doesn't have any gender (and not just anatomically)

Shale is an object, not a person. As such there really is no gender to apply. Since golems are "things" I am going to use "It" to describe... well, it. I know some people will say "he" (a few may even say she, I guess), but I am calling it "It".

Link

Shale gonna pwned you if "IT" knew what you wrote.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Ravenshrike]

Hylan Dronta wrote...

Shale is an it. Its impossible to have a gender for any construct.

Terry Pratchett disagrees.

http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/Gladys


For that matter, any reputable psychologist would disgree as well, as gender is an entirely mental construct .

Modifié par Ravenshrike, 16 octobre 2009 - 08:38 .

[Stebenator]

 everyone has his own dark side maybe shale dress woman clothes? that why some think he is a she =P (joke)

[RavenholmeCP42]

Purple Lady wrote...

Since Shale's quest, as I remember, is to help it to "humanize", maybe it will develop some gender. But I doubt it, I don't see the point (story wise) in giving a gender to Shale (romance is NOT an option )

Does there have to be a point, beyond increasing character depth and the story? Because those two things seem like extremely crucial components of any novel, game or film, to me.

[jenambus]

i think IT used to be a he, a Dwarfish he probably. My opinion is based solely on the trailer.

He says he remembers being called "Lord Shale" , if it were a female wouldn't it be "Lady Shale".

[Srikandi715]

Russian is a grammatical gender language. That means that all nouns have gender, whether they refer to humans or not. Therefore, in a language like Russian, the fact that Shale is referred to by a feminine pronoun doesn't necessarily mean it is having human gender characteristics assigned to it, any more than the fact that "book" is feminine in Russian does.

Of course, the fact that "prisoner" has two gendered forms and the feminine is selected is suggestive. Is the word used to translate "golem" in Russian masculine, feminine, or neuter? If it's feminine, that could be the source of the selection.

Modifié par Srikandi715, 18 octobre 2009 - 12:56 .

[SnakeStrike8]

I've always seen Shale as a DAO version of HK-47. Sure, droids don't have gender either, but... I can't recall the last time I referred to that homicidal amnesiac droid as 'it'. It's always been 'he'. Now why that is is open to suggestion. Maybe I subconsciously assumed it was male because it had a male voice actor and I'm male in real life, so I tend to automatically assume that whatever I see that doesn't also have breats and/or mammary glands is 'male'.

Same goes for Dog. The minute I saw his video all those months back, I just automatically started referring to the mutt as 'he'. The same will probably apply here, to Shale.

[Irx]

Srikandi715 wrote...

Russian is a grammatical gender language. That means that all nouns have gender, whether they refer to humans or not. Therefore, in a language like Russian, the fact that Shale is referred to by a feminine pronoun doesn't necessarily mean it is having human gender characteristics assigned to it, any more than the fact that "book" is feminine in Russian does.

Of course, the fact that "prisoner" has two gendered forms and the feminine is selected is suggestive. Is the word used to translate "golem" in Russian masculine, feminine, or neuter? If it's feminine, that could be the source of the selection.

The word golem is masculine. The closest analogy I can think of is the word lioness - while a lion can be of any gender, lioness is specifically a female lion. So is the female version of the word prisoner in russian, it can only mean a female prisoner.

Plus, the name Shale is localised to Sheila - which is obviously a female name.