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[The Baconer]

Could be 3, I dunno, but I really needed the title. 

 

When the big revelation about the Seekers comes up in the base game, Cassandra states that, as part of rebuilding the order, she would search for her surviving comrades to tell them all about what she found in the big book. Initially I thought this could be a futile effort: surely, if there were any survivors, we would encounter them at some point on the War Table or elsewhere. It's just not possible that they would all run away and hide from the torrent demons sweeping over Thedas. No, they were all probably dead... and thank the Maker for that. 

 

Come Trespasser: those who encouraged Cassandra to rebuild the Seekers may ask her about her progress. 

 

I've managed to find a few of my former comrades who'd scattered to the winds. 

 

What. But how? For all their grandstanding, literally not a single Seeker reached out to the Inquisition to do their part? What have have these chucklef***s been doing this entire time? There's more:

 

Some of them were unsuitable, and I did not ask them to return.

 

Yeah, they should probably be in jail, Cassandra. So there we have it, the Seekers. Liars, betrayers, and now, cowardly deserters? Do any redeeming qualities exist for the olde Order? Discuss. 

[Taki17]

Most Seekers followed the Lord Seeker when they split from the Chantry, but a number of them remained loyal, including those we see with Cassandra and Leliana in the end of DA2. Where did all those Seekers go in the few months that happened between DA2 epilogue and DAI? Some of them might have died at the conclave, but surely not all of them were there, as it would have been unwise to send all of the remaining elite soldiers of the Chantry to the conclave. Did they remain in Val Royeaux?

 

At first, I understand that they did not wanted to join the Inquisition as the Chantry branded its members as heretics and turned public opinion against them, but after Haven, the Chantry and the Inquisition seem to be on more friendlier terms (if not allies), so why are the loyal Seekers not joining the fight is beyond me. Surely they could not have disappeard, as Corypheus holds no power in the Chantry, and they probably used the rebel Seekers for the experiments at Caer Bronach.

 

is the Seeker order really necessary? Their goal should have been to oversee the Templars, but they failed miserably when the corruption within their ranks (power hungry senior seekers, demons in disguise, secret cultist members etc.) overtook the entire organization and dragged the Templar Order along. Any remaining Seeker should be thoroughly interrogated and evaluated before they could rejoin the Chantry, because their disappearance and survival is suspicous at best.

[Beerfish]

I am pretty convinced that the new protagonist in DA4 will be seeker.

[QueenCrow]

I am pretty convinced that the new protagonist in DA4 will be seeker.

Agree.  Or at least it's highly likely Seekers will play a significant role in DA4.  Especially after Lord Seeker Lambert and Lord Seeker Lucius - and the ties of both men to Tevinter.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I am pretty convinced that the new protagonist in DA4 will be seeker.

 

This will only work if they start letting in mages again. (And dwarves. And elves. And qunari.)

[Secret Rare]

I am pretty convinced that the new protagonist in DA4 will be seeker.

At best it can be a specialization.

[Reznore57]

My feeling about the Seekers is they just haven't been used properly , and I wonder why they were even introduced into the settings.

We meet "them" *cough* or not in DA2 , you get a codex saying they are the templars police some special forces...

But no one in Kirkwall talks about them , when it should have happened.Kirkwall was a Seeker job , and not a Hawke job or even a let's go Exalted March on the place job.

Then we have Cassandra who is a Seeker , but not really because she's been a Seeker for what a couple of years?And then she got made Hand of the Divine.

 

We have Lambert but he was in a book , and again not working with other Seekers.

In DAI we have Lucius , and the Seeker who's dying...Lucius is of course on some crazy train to the apocalyspe.

So yeah I mean sure they had a book with their own secret about tranquility ,since they created the rite it's good at least they know something about it.I'm still not sure what truth those seekers of truth are seeking , but I'd say they didn't find much in a thousand years.

They are also not doing a grand job at keeping dangerous templars and mages at bay.

 

So yeah the Seekers of truth is basically a bunch of dudes who went through a strange ritual and are doing "stuff " somewhere but are mostly not there when they are needed because well I guess the plot demands.

[straykat]

I like the idea of the Seekers (or anyone.. Inquisition included) as wandering do-gooders.

 

But it's not exactly that, is it?

 

I haven't played in awhile, but I'm on a new playthrough. I haven't decided what to do here. Their powers would be useful in my story state (since I free mages...or rather, loose some restrictions), but I have a big problem with their duplicity and using spirits... then acting like it's some holy endeavor.

[AresKeith]

This will only work if they start letting in mages again. (And dwarves. And elves. And qunari.)

 

That could possibly be the case after Jaws of Hakkon 

[GoldenGail3]

Interesting. I'd like to play it.

[The Baconer]

I am pretty convinced that the new protagonist in DA4 will be seeker.

 

I don't see why. If they go with 4 races and 3 classes again that effectively rules that out as ever being a possibility, unless you're talking about new Seekers. The order no longer exists in my timeline, so there shouldn't be any new Seekers. 

[Gervaise]

The whole Seeker things was odd, particularly the fact that they invented the Rite of Tranquility originally in order to create Seekers and then only subsequently discovered it was useful in neutralising rogue mages.    I must admit I thought Tevinter must have originally invented the Rite because Dorian confirms they use it to silence dissenters and make an example of them.   

 

Then there is the history of Lambert.   Cassandra was meant to be unusual in being taken on for training in the Seekers at the advanced age of 12, yet Lambert became a Seeker as an adult, having served for many years as a regular Templar.   I thought Cassandra said it took a whole year of solitary meditation to become a proper Seeker, yet it would seem that Lambert became one almost overnight.    Then he gets appointed Seeker liaison to Tevinter, which was also odd they even had such links considering the Imperium Templars are just glorified soldiers with none of the special training or lyrium use of the southern order.     When I read Asunder, I had thought Lambert had grown up in Tevinter but not so.   Quite why there would be such a close connection between the southern Templars and Seekers who served the Orlesian Divine and the northern Templars who serve the Black Divine is beyond me.    I can understand why Magister Urien, who subsequently became Black Divine, might think it useful to have the aid of a Seeker but not why the original Black Divine allowed it.   The two Chantries have been enemies for years, so it seems hard to appreciate why they would want any liaison between them  or any member of the southern Chantry's magical police force when the whole difference between the two organisations was a result of their different attitudes to magic.    Be that as it may, after Lambert discovered how he had been duped by Urien he returned to the south and apparently impressed the Lady Seeker in charge of the order so much she gave him her job when she retired, apparently against the wishes of Divine Justinia.     It does seem odd how little control the Divine ever really had over the orders that were meant to serve her but particularly the Seekers since they would seem to be the ones who oversaw everything else.    What is even odder, though, is that if the Lady Seeker approved of Lambert so much and he was so zealous in carrying out his duties, where was he during the events at Kirkwall?    He returned from Tevinter in 9:31 yet not one Seeker made an appearance in Kirkwall until Cassandra did.   Of course I also question how effective Sister Nightingale was when she visited the place.   If Leliana had been doing her job properly, she wouldn't just have warned Elthina to leave but would have made enquiries about what was going on, including the large number of tranquil wandering around the place.  Yet she never discovered about Templar abuses, Meredith and Alric's illegal actions in making post-Harrowing mages tranquil or other strange goings on that should have had the Seekers attention long before Anders blew up the Chantry.   

 

So in a way I agree with the OP, the Seeker order seemed to be failing in their duties for some time and if they were as committed to their calling as they claimed, you would have thought those not killed by Lucius would have at least tried approaching the Inquisition as the only organisation that seemed to be dealing with the chaos.   We had Templars coming forward and mages who hadn't wanted to be part of the rebellion in the first place, so where were the Seekers when we needed them?