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[Han Shot First]

Tali after she's merged into a single entity with Legion from the magic power of Synthesis. Sort of like that movie The Dark Crystal.

 

Spoiler

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'd actually like to see an NPC Quarian, like working as one of the engineers or maybe the pilot of our ship. 

I just hope they don't bring the Quarians but not the Geth. With how the choice went, either both or neither should be involved. 

 

True, as I said its personal belief and preference. You might not feel the same way about thieves that I do.

 

Agreed on that. People can turn out in different ways. But still, if it is a generational ship, a culture between all races, Quarians and non Quarians, would become similar to Quarian culture in ME1/2/3.  Very "for the greater good" attitude. 

[KirkyX]

I'd actually like to see an NPC Quarian, like working as one of the engineers or maybe the pilot of our ship. 

I just hope they don't bring the Quarians but not the Geth. With how the choice went, either both or neither should be involved. 

 

My guess would be that, if there are Quarians on the ship - please let there be Quarians on the ship - they'll have left the Fleet to join the expedition before the battle of Rannoch, as an insurance policy of sorts (Same reason any other race put people on the Ark, I suppose.). Otherwise, BioWare will have to make a given outcome canon, and we know they're not gonna do that.

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

My guess would be that, if there are Quarians on the ship - please let there be Quarians on the ship - they'll have left the Fleet to join the expedition before the battle of Rannoch, as an insurance policy of sorts (Same reason any other race put people on the Ark, I suppose.). Otherwise, BioWare will have to make a given outcome canon, and we know they're not gonna do that.

And what of the Geth in this scenario of yours? 

[Khrystyn]

I'm actually really intrigued by the idea of what a truly unified Ark culture, made up of all the races who came along, might look like. Human kids would grow up with children from the other races, playing together, going to the same schools and so on... It'd be a little like the way Zentraedi and human culture started to intermingle in the later Macross series.

 

By the time the ark arrives, the travelers better have cohesion to face what's there. I'd hate to see a  Dr. Zachary Smith (Lost in Space, TV series) mucking up the noble efforts. Some have asked for a duplicitous squadmate, someone who is secretly working against the group and they have to be 'found out' over the course of the game. There's lot's of options for the roles of squadmates and their secrets.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

By the time the ark arrives, the travelers better have cohesion to face what's there. I'd hate to see a  Dr. Zachary Smith (Lost in Space, TV series) mucking up the noble efforts. Some have asked for a duplicitous squadmate, someone who is secretly working against the group and they have to be 'found out' over the course of the game. There's lot's of options for the roles of squadmates and their secrets.

The leaked footage suggests we won't all be together, since it shows a human with a gun pointed at a krogan before the krogan incapacitates/kills him. 

[KirkyX]

By the time the ark arrives, the travelers better have cohesion to face what's there. I'd hate to see a  Dr. Zachary Smith (Lost in Space, TV series) mucking up the noble efforts. Some have asked for a duplicitous squadmate, someone who is secretly working against the group and they have to be 'found out' over the course of the game. There's lot's of options for the roles of squadmates and their secrets.

Exactly, and I'm intrigued by what that unity could look like, culturally... Though I have my suspicions that we won't be exploring that aspect of the whole thing all that much.

 

I do like the idea of a duplicitous squaddie, but it might be a little soon after DA: I to pull that card again, even if a certain someone's trickiness was my favourite part of that whole game.

[KirkyX]

And what of the Geth in this scenario of yours? 

I dunno, to be honest. I'd hate to lose them, but I can't think of a good way to justify the Council/Alliance actually letting them on the ship, if we're operating under the assumption that they'll be leaving what happened with Rannoch ambiguous, since the colonists themselves won't know.

 

Maybe they caught wind of the project, and found a way to sneak some Geth programs into the Ark's computers? They could use the Ark's fabrication facilities to build themselves bodies once they reach Andromeda.

[ZipZap2000]

Tali after she's merged into a single entity with Legion from the magic power of Synthesis. Sort of like that movie The Dark Crystal.

Spoiler

Still a better ending.

And the conjunction makes more sense as a reason for the Reapers than anything the catalyst came up with while I'm at it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I dunno, to be honest. I'd hate to lose them, but I can't think of a good way to justify the Council/Alliance actually letting them on the ship, if we're operating under the assumption that they'll be leaving what happened with Rannoch ambiguous, since the colonists themselves won't know. Maybe they caught wind of the project, and found a way to sneak some Geth programs into the Ark's computers? They could use the Ark's fabrication facilities to build themselves bodies once they reach Andromeda.

Well, it is canon that not all Geth sided with the Reapers in Mass Effect 3. There is Legion obviously, and there are also the programs that agreed with him. An example is the Geth we can play in the MP, since MP is canon. So maybe those Geth reached out to the galaxy and some joined the Ark project. 

[Han Shot First]

I'd also prefer an exile over another Migrant Fleet loyalist. 

 

Maybe someone who was working as a slicer in the seedier parts of Nos Astra.

[KirkyX]

Well, it is canon that not all Geth sided with the Reapers in Mass Effect 3. There is Legion obviously, and there are also the programs that agreed with him. An example is the Geth we can play in the MP, since MP is canon. So maybe those Geth reached out to the galaxy and some joined the Ark project. 

I don't really mind the explanation they use, honestly, as long as they're in there somewhere and it makes at least a little sense. 

[KirkyX]

I'd also prefer an exile over another Migrant Fleet loyalist. 

 

Maybe someone who was working as a slicer in the seedier parts of Nos Astra.

Yeah, I want to see what a rebellious Quarian looks like. It'd immediately set them apart from Tali, in any case. (Don't get me wrong; Tali's probably my favourite squadmate. It's just, any Quarian companion who comes after her is gonna have a hard time getting out from under her shadow, so the more different, the better.)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Thinking of Geth-Quarian relations, I would love if a Geth and Quarian were assigned to work together on part of the ship, similar to say Gabby and Ken. It could lead to some fun banter between them, like what they did with Garrus and Legion that one time: 

[Silvery]

Sure, I want to see the quarians in the game. I would hope all the races from the milky way would be in Andromeda. 

[LightningPoodle]

I want one that isn't particularly gifted with technology. Quarians are supposed to all have some level of skill with tech, but I can't believe all Quarians actually do. Let's see one that doesn't have a clue, but makes up for it in enthusiasm and a penchant for war (like the stereotypical Krogan).

I think one that has a more criminal intent would be fun to see also.

[Pee Jae]

I would like a kleptomaniac quarian squaddie/LI. She can't help stealing things. It's a ... character trait. Yeah.

 

Maskless, of course.

[78stonewobble]

I just hope we don't revisit the quarian-geth conflict all over again in Andromeda (assuming they return). We made our choices, the story feels complete.

 

As much as I'm a fan of both Quarians and the Geth... Please, for the love of god, let this be in the past.  

[Gothfather]

here are the problems i see with Quarians being on the ark.

 

1) Medical issues - You are taking colonists to populate a new galaxy away from the reaper threat. Why bring a species who's immune system is so fragile? An immune system that will never improve because it requires a symbiotic relationship with their planet of origin? These are the LEAST likely group to take.

 

2) Social isolation - The social bonds with Quarians is extremely strong and almost all return to the migrant fleet after their pilgrimage. Why? Because of these social bonds and ties. Would a large group of Quarians just decide to abandon the migrant fleet? Because that is what you are asking them to do. And don't just automatically assume of coarse to ensure some will survive. They were willing to risk all to return to their home planet in the middle of a reaper invasion not really the actions of a group that thinks survival is imperative. Why would Quarians in significant number to start a new colony be willing to weaken the migrant fleet and be forever isolated from their shipmates?

 

3) Numbers - The Quarians have the fewest numbers of all the races of citadel space and so bringing enough to make an Andromeda colony viable will require a significantly high percent of their total population than any other race. This means that you have to significantly weaken the Quarians left behind when the leadership is planning to retake the homeworld. Why would the admiralty allows this, why would ship captians in the fleet allow this and why would individuals do this when their entire culture prepares Quarians to leave teh fleet to learn new things to bring BACK to the fleet to make it stronger? There is zero point bringing in fewer numbers of any race than can sustain stable population growth, as this race will die off which means all the resources it took to get then to Andromeda are wasted. Better to bring someone slightly less skilled who's genes can improve genetic diversity, then someone more skilled who's genes will die off eventually no matter what.

 

4) Resources - Given how often Tali and other Quarians talk about the medications they require compared to other species in makes zero logical sense to bring a race onto the ark that will require significantly more resources than other people. They require more parts to keep their suits in working order, more medicines and they require different food to most of the other species in citadel space. This all requires mass and to move mass you need energy and this increases the cost.

 

 

look i think Quarians rock but if you look at this with your head vs your heart you can see it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for them to be there. Now bioware may say frak it and ignore every point I made and decide Mass Effect isn't mass effect without Quarians but honestly i think the Geth and Quarians make the least amount of sense to add to the ark with Turians a close third, another race I love but their incomparable DNA brings a whole host of problems for colonization. You now need to find two planets and have to create twice the infrastructure to feed people, twice the infrastructure to ship food around as these planets will have both races on them if only to maintain a unified government not the most efficient way to solve what to take with your limited cargo space.

[TheN7Penguin]

Finally, a thread that makes sense.

[German Soldier]

I am all for having a male quarian companion. Romanceable, even.

However, I am of the opinion that any female quarian companion would inevitably end up being compared to Tali, no matter how different they made her. It might be wise to avoid that.

​Do you think bioware isn't capable of variety in terms of personality?

[Thermopylae]

I am not a fan of the Quarians, I liked face mask girl's personality but there were always issues, man. I supported the Geth on the principle that self replicating and programming robots represent the most likely forms of life to thrive and replicate in the vast coldness of space. But I think Quarians may have some strong points in being included in the ark for the purposes of colonization. 

 

1 ) Because they are already a space ship based, mobile culture/ species with a history of technical excellence, improvising and maintaining their vessels, and have already experienced being isolated from their homeplanet,  they are ideal candidates for inclusion. They live in ship based diaporas, it is their home, their social units and humans could learn a lot from them. 

 

2) Their weak immune systems may be an advantage in sterile environments, a lot of autoimmune diseases in humans are caused by an over reactive immune system responding to self antigens. If there are no antigens in the environment, then having a weak responding immune system is an advantage, minimizing autoimmune diseases.

 

3) Colonizing a far off galaxy would fit in with an alternative fall back plan to preserve the Quarian species should the home colony fail, also what if there are radicals in Quarian society who have difficulty in reconciling the centuries of genocide they experienced with the new Alliance or Harmony with the Geth? 

 

4) The principle of strength through diversity, a new colony with representative numbers of the various species, except for the krogans, and maybe the geth, because in all likelihood, the next galactic war will be started/ or be over the krogans. Perhaps some kind of concord could be met during preparations, so that krogans or geth don't out reproduce the other species. How well do you trust those species?

 

In conclusion I would argue for the presence of a faction or social unit of Quarians, under the understanding that the colony/ ark ship is to be established on the basis of inclusion of diversity, because diversity provides strength for the social polity to survive new challenges.

A symbolic many rods to make the fasces, to give it a non utopian slant.

[Thermopylae]

​Do you think bioware isn't capable of variety in terms of personality?

I dread the Fran Drescher of the Quarians, which would be the polar opposite of Tali.

[Sartoz]

The leaked footage suggests we won't all be together, since it shows a human with a gun pointed at a krogan before the krogan incapacitates/kills him. 

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Frankly, imo, the footage is more of a video concept to show off environmental engine features or the ability to create smoke or fumes. Also, it's outright amateurish.

 

Leakages are of two kinds, the real and the deliberate.  The latter allows the game studio to gauge fan reaction and adjusts the "leaked" concepts accordingly. The former, if leaked early enough, also allows the game studio to make significant changes and what you get is not what you saw (DA:I).

 

Either way, with Bio's lips zipped so tight that they can't part with a fart, makes me believe the end product will have serious changes compared to the "Leaked Survey".

 

[Khrystyn]

I do like the idea of a duplicitous squaddie.

 

Speaking of a duplicitous squadmate, I've thought such a character should be an Andromedan alien who is apparently helping the squad, much like a local scout who is hired to advise a group of travelers on local information, travel, and warn of dangers to be avoided. But secretly, the alien scout has other long-term intentions....