Something is missing here. Shepard should not be able to control the Reapers if the Illusive Man tried and failed to do the exact same thing.
Yeah well, the thing is that TIM was indoctrinated way before he tried to control the Reapers, and it is also the reason why he can't control them. He already belongs to the Reapers. And Shepard never was indoctrinated (in my opinion).
Indeed. It's a huge thematic about-face. Prior to that moment the game has gone on extensively about the hubris of trying to control the Reapers, and the historical examples of attempts to control the Geth and Krogan didn't turn out so well either. But now, because the hero of the story wants to do it, it's suddenly OK.
But, of course, it isn't really 'Shepard' in control of the Reapers. It's a newly created AI that has some implanted memories of what it was like to be 'Shepard'. It is no more Shepard than EDI would still be EDI if she were copied to a different Blue Box.
Geth and Krogan aren't really historical examples of attempts to control. Hubris and desperation are more their themes respectfully. Quarian's ego made them think they could do what ever they want which didn't turn out so well. The galaxy desperate for help unleashed the Krogan before they had developed enough to handle the technological jump.
The game makes it very clear Shepard isn't the exact same as Shep AI. Though all their memories the essence of what made Shepard, Shepard was saved and transferred to the AI.
It's some kind of noise the Reapers make and it messes with your brain so you become a minion of their schemes.
It goes like "braaaaaaa" or "braaaaaaae" - you can't really miss it when you play.
Clicking "multiplayer" is a good way to protect you from the adverse effects.
The Reapers also have quite strong powers of suggestion.
The game makes it very clear Shepard isn't the exact same as Shep AI. Though all their memories the essence of what made Shepard, Shepard was saved and transferred to the AI.
There's also the part where Shepard gets turned into a husk seconds after trying to control the Reapers, and the little kid having a big smirk on his face.
The Reapers also have quite strong powers of suggestion.
There's also the part where Shepard gets turned into a husk seconds after trying to control the Reapers, and the little kid having a big smirk on his face.
By husk you mean a corpse then yes. But still shows Shepard becoming the new over mind of the Reapers.
Husks aren't corpses though. They're humans fused with Reaper tech. Just like a marauder is a Turian fused with Reaper tech, etc, etc.
See TIM, he's a husk. He was a regular guy though, way back in 2157. Around the time of the First Contact War. He came into contact with a device that turned his friend into a husk. While he was trying to save him, he was transformed into one himself. It's in the comics.
Husks aren't corpses though. They're humans fused with Reaper tech. Just like a marauder is a Turian fused with Reaper tech, etc, etc.
Maybe you missed the part of their creation where the victim gets SPEARED through their chest and left to rot while nanomachines transform their body.
OP.
You can think of Reaper Indoctrination as Mass Effect's Nanomachines/Parasites. A plot element that's there to make WTF? things make more sense.
Maybe you missed the part of their creation where the victim gets SPEARED through their chest and left to rot while nanomachines transform their body.
By nanomachines, you mean cybernetics?
Husks aren't corpses though. They're humans fused with Reaper tech. Just like a marauder is a Turian fused with Reaper tech, etc, etc.
See TIM, he's a husk. He was a regular guy though, way back in 2157. Around the time of the First Contact War. He came into contact with a device that turned his friend into a husk. While he was trying to save him, he was transformed into one himself. It's in the comics.
To start with different technology was used. Second TIM isn't a husk he is altered with Reaper tech but he isn't a husk. To start with he shows way to much ingenuity to be a husk who are rather zombie like. Secondly he still defies the Reapers a fair amount until he "upgraded" at the end. Pretty much up to Priority Thessia his actions while harmful over all still would work against the Reapers if they came to pass.
Shepard's body is bbq while his mind was uploaded to the Catalyst's AI thus altering who and what the Catalyst is. Providing the Reapers with a new consciousness to direct them down a new path.
By nanomachines, you mean cybernetics?
No I mean nanomachines and did you miss the part about the victim getting impaled through their entire chest?
No one is surviving that for long, hence they are corpses infused with reaper tech.
Yes, I must have forgot. However, I'm not seeing any mention of nanomachines in the codex when describing the process of making husks.
Yes, I must have forgot. However, I'm not seeing any mention of nanomachines in the codex when describing the process of making husks.
It would be the only way for their bodies to alter like that. Nanomachines would be able to alter the bodies on a near molecular scale.
Though not quite a husk, Grayson was also altered by nano-machines, so it seems to be the reapers MO. Ultimately, who cares, cybernetics, nano-machines or nano-machines that build cybernetics into the body, in the end, they are just corpses with blue tubes on them that act like zombies.
Didn't TIM implant himself, the old silly? (IIRC, we can see some video log on Cronos station where he mentions something).
As for Shep, it's tough to say what exactly happens, though when we take the epilogue literally, it's pretty clear that something of Shep is in the new control AI, after all, the epilogue does distinguish between paragon, renegade and more neutral playstyles.
Hmm, I think the correct word - as of ME3 was Nanides.
Maybe this can help?
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Though the wiki describes it as Nano-Machines
http://masseffect.wi...s#Mass_Effect_3
Uh, isn't nanites and nano-machines kinda the same thing? 
it's not really too hard to understand the "themes" of Indoctrination. It's the exact same process used all over planet Earth right now. If one calls himself a Democrat, Republican, Christian, Moslem, Jew, Hindu, atheist, capitalist or socialist. You've been indoctrinated. It worked the same way in Mass Effect. All the way back to the "Prime" that was Leviathan. What was really interesting to me in ME Trilogy, was how Clone Shep in Citadel DLC was a Renegade, rebelling against our Shepard's sell out.
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