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[phoray]

Spoilers and all that.
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Update: I added it in the replies but essentially I "hardened" my character against flights of fancy via deep self introspection. She gave herself some perspective. So, she became good friends with Cullen, and moved on. I thank everyone for their input, because I otherwise would have abandoned my plans.
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I feel like I broke it. ^-^; This is my second play through, so I know what's coming regarding the romance. Maybe I don't get the Dalish enough; the one time I played an elf before was a city elf in Origins. When I encountered the Dalish, they just seemed distant and a tad stuck up to my city elf. Didn't stop them from accepting the crap ton of help I gave them, and I even kept their Keeper drama on the down low. Merril's elves in DA2 seemed okay; although I had no idea that I miraculously avoided having to slaughter them with the right dialogue choice. I'm just not feeling the lore, not feeling the wonder.

My character, Elsabeth, is more modern. Open minded that there may be more than just the elven gods; thinks it's time to create stronger ties with the rest of Thedas, not just keep to their own slowly withering away. She's strong, wants her words to have an effect so sometimes will choose silence over speaking, likes to learn, and a pacifist. Any option not to kill someone is chosen because too many are killed over petty differences, including her brethren. She encourages others to be open as well. She also is a bit verbally conniving; flirting with people, carefully, is the perfect form of flattery to win people over. She accepts that the people need her to be the Herald of Andraste just as her own people needed her to take on a leadership role and take on the importance of spying on the conclave. She doesn't crave power, she just handles what is given to her as responsibly as possible. She loves her clan.

Everything was going great until after the Fade Kiss. Solas stopped simply sharing knowledge and started being very passionate about everything I was doing. It's too funny; I shrugged off his disapproval as his friend in a first play through, but as his quasi lover I began to take these things personally. My character is actually offended by him, and the fact that she's ignoring a love for Cullen doesn't help. Yes, I know. I find it hilarious that I did second play through just to romance Solas and my character has fallen for Cullen anyway. My elf has a heart that speeds up anytime she sees Cullen but knows that her responsibility is to her elven people; requires to give birth to other elves; her whole worry about her race/species withering away. Connect to Thedas, yes, but there are already so few of "us" as there are. (Each clan I meet only has like 30 people or something crazy low?) Elves are joining the Qun or going to the City and too many clans are turning their back on their brethren. She can't fall in love with a human; it's not good for the people.You would think this would bond her with Solas, except that'd be metagaming; the Solas she currently knows doesn't seem to consider himself of the current elves... odd man.

My elf stayed Leliana from killing a spy because it was cold, treating people like trash. But when the moment came to stay Solas's hand against the mages that had done harm to his friend, as his quasi lover, I just feel my elf would have let him do what he needed to do. go ahead, Solas. A few strong words, maybe a punch or two. However, that doesn't mean I have to agree with his choices and he literally incinerated a couple mages that had no clue this elf was about to kill them. It wasn't a duel, it was calculated and swift rage. Meaning Solas, when pushed and hurt emotionally, resorts to very strong violence.

Elsabeth greatly disapproves.

Solas approves my disbanding of the Templars (fully knowing I would absorb them into my Inquistion fold) but then greatly disapproves the Grey Warden choice of keeping them around. What's wrong with you Solas? These people were in fear; remember that Fiona cow you wanted me to side with that sold her people to slavery? also, I remember the last blight and this inquistion thing wouldn't even be happening without them having saved Thedas. How does this not affect your choices regarding them?

Honestly, I keep getting so many disaproves I don't even know he would want to still date me but I'm now locked, via kisses/dialogue, to this short sighted killer who never thinks he's wrong. (unless you really butter him up otherwise and then he wonders if he was wrong about the Dalish/modern people.)

And I am metagaming a bit with this part but he is racist just through his race gate requirement. My human mage last game technically made healthier and happier decisions regarding him (Rarely got more than a slightly disapprove) and that makes me feel likes he's just racist in round two. He should have adored my human mage; they parted as friends with her going after him to help him not do the bad thing he thinks he needs to do.

I don't know if I can make myself continue it. My elf keeps wanting to end the romance and run, not walk, to Cullen with all her pent up passion. I'm ignoring very strongly making any decisions based on the fact that I, in reality, know he'll break it off. Technically, her concerns about her people withering away are just as important whether Solas is there or not.

She is super conflicted as her desire to help her people conflicts strongly with with the first thing she's ever strongly wanted; Cullen's commanding strong presence; his willingness to share just how wrong he was in the past about mages; a willingness to change and not always thinking he's right. If I make a decision against his advice, he doesn't seethe and whine like some people. Although, maybe it's good advisors don't have approve meters or whatever; I'll never know if he hates what I'm doing.

I just really wanted to see this to the bitter "Trespasser's" end; but it's actually affecting gameplay. I wanted my 2nd play through to be where I did ALL THE STUFF and instead I want to hurry up and get through it just to have the full experience of the Solasmance; have a game where that is the history. My romance with Solas the vengeful racist is ending up feeling like an arranged marriage tragedy where we've both resigned ourselves to being with the other heterosexual Elf in the Inquisition; he would never have given me more than a glance if I didn't have Orb powers in my hand. Amusing to me, my elf thinks all these things but keeps them to herself. His great appreciation of her also seems to have been thrust upon her; and she's taken it in stride that this is one more thing fate has brought to her. It's just a relationship, not something life changing like marriage and babies.

I'd even decided that when Solas broke it off, to pick the sad answer... because she had lost her shot with Cullen not because she was actually that deeply attached to Solas.

But I can also see her telling him that she doesn't love him. And run off to have Cully Wully and the true love she never knew she wanted.

Help! I'm trapped by my own role playing. Sounds absurd but maybe some of you can relate.

[Ghost Gal]

First step to falling into (non-toxic) love is to actually like the other person. If your character just keeps saying and doing things Solas fundamentally disagrees with and/or she doesn really like him as a person, there's not much we can do. (This isn't DA2.)

If you want to romance him, either rack up that approval or, if you don't want to betray your character by having her say/do things she wouldn't say/do, have her accept that they aren't right for each other and move onto Cullen.

I mean, I don't know why your character is staying with someone she doesn't even like (and who, by the sound of it, doesn't like her) and while every cell in her body is burning for someone else just because you want to experience the (admittedly glorious) Solavellan content. You claim you don't want to break them up just because YOU know it won't work out... but then you force the character to stay with someone she clearly doesn't want just because you want to see the romance content.

If you're going to go, then go all the way. If you want to contrive the romance, then have her say and/do things he approves of (even if it means reloading an earlier save). If not, just let her go and be with Cullen. Make another elf, one who shares Solas' values, to romance the egg.

[phoray]

First step to falling into (non-toxic) love is to actually like the other person. If your character just keeps saying and doing things Solas fundamentally disagrees with and/or she doesn really like him as a person, there's not much we can do. (This isn't DA2.)

If you want to romance him, either rack up that approval or, if you don't want to betray your character by having her say/do things she wouldn't say/do, have her accept that they aren't right for each other and move onto Cullen.

I mean, I don't know why your character is staying with someone she doesn't even like (and who, by the sound of it, doesn't like her) and while every cell in her body is burning for someone else just because you want to experience the (admittedly glorious) Solavellan content. You claim you don't want to break them up just because YOU know it won't work out... but then you force the character to stay with someone she clearly doesn't want just because you want to see the romance content.

If you're going to go, then go all the way. If you want to contrive the romance, then have her say and/do things he approves of (even if it means reloading an earlier save). If not, just let her go and be with Cullen. Make another elf, one who shares Solas' values, to romance the egg.

I made an elf, and three hours later, discovered she wanted Blackwall. So I re rolled a new elf. 20 hours later, here I am. I think one of my problems is that I don't think elves are inherently awesome, and I can't think of an elf back story that would fall for Solas that wouldn't feel fake. A super strong Dalish would dislike him based on his snootiness of the Dalish right? If you aren't in awe of his smartness, why go for him? Lots of lonely people in the inquisition. I mean, he is super smart about things relevant to the plot which makes him helpful. And he's got this lonely outcast dialoqgue that makes him sympathetic. Either way, I'm already in the romance. I don't think anyone breaks up with you, regardless of choices, until their "scenes" where most of the time, it's you breaking it off with them. Wait, maybe Sera. But she's very strong Anti Elf.

 

I don't want to re roll an elf again, perhaps because I just don't relate to the Dalish origin, so I was hoping for some twist in my own role play feels  that would make this salvageable; and enjoyable!

[lynroy]

And I am metagaming a bit with this part but he is racist just through his race gate requirement.

By this logic Cullen is also racist for being gated to elves and humans only. Why won't he love my dwarf? She loves him! :/ I won't deny Solas is racist, but not because the romance is race gated.

Honestly, sounds to me like you need to let your elf dump Solas and go after Cullen.

[nightscrawl]

I think you're letting yourself metagame too much, thus hampering your enjoyment of that particular play. You created this character and developed the RP in such a way that the current feelings she has for Solas don't really go along with a romantic relationship; she's not in love with him. Forget the fact that you know he's going to break it off and later leave at the end of the game. Forget that he comes back in Trespasser and has a long chat. Forget all that and just roll with your RP. Your PC has realized that she's in love with Cullen -- go get it, girl!

 

I sort of understand the desire to see all the things, but I can really only accept that to a point. You are supposed to be enjoying this; it is entertainment. Right now, you're not enjoying it because you have it in your head that your character has to be with Solas for reasons that have nothing to do with the game itself or what goes on inside the game.

 

Perhaps this has to do with the fact that you're using this particular play to do all the things, so it seems really drawn out. If you don't actually like Solas, or can't really get into the whole elf RP thing, perhaps you should just save that for a speed run where you aren't so invested.

 

And poor Blackwall. He was denied!

 

At this point, you have to decide how your character would think and act. I haven't done the Solas romance, but is there an option to break it off before he does? If so, has your character reached the point where she's ready to do that? Again, pretend that you don't know that he's going to do it and make your choice based on that.

 

And you know, if your character is really super serious about the whole breeding with humans thing, you could make her be "forever alone" and deny her the Cullen romance. She won't be popping out more elves that way, but neither will she be having elf-blooded humans. In that case, it depends on what kind of sacrifice she is willing to make along those lines. I think you could have a really glorious, and super angsty, headcanon revolving around this.

[robertmarilyn]

The one time I played an female elf, in a Solamance, she kept running to Cullen and clicking on the heart, hoping she could start a romance with him instead (but Cullen wasn't falling for it because he knew she was romancing Solas).   

[TK514]

Sounds like you already know what this character is going to so, so why wait?  Abandon the lupine in favor of the leonine.

[Fylimar]

I was  going for Solas at the beginning too. I liked his character and since I often play elfy elfs, I had no problems with him. You get approval (tons of them) just by asking him questions. But then along came Blackwall and I liked him better, so I just switched - turned Solas down in that dream sequence at Skyhold, where his romance would have started otherwise and go for a walk with Blackwall, after which he showed up at my doorstep. Best decision for my gameplay, I made. My Lyana is much more happy with Blackwall, who may have a shady past (but compared to Solas, it's ok, I guess, don't get much shadier than that), but a good heart and who jokes surprisingly often - something, my funloving elf likes a lot.

Now that I know my comrades and advisors better, I already plan a dwaven female who romances Iron Bull and another elf, who romances Cullen (I didn't like him in the other DA games, but he is really cool here). Maybe I made a guy just for romancing Dorian (he would have been my first choice for Lyana, but now he is her best buddie).

 

And somehow, I don't want to romance Solas anymore - he is a good adviser and he can be a nice guy, but mostly he is too absorbed in his Fadestuff, that it seems to me, he has lost reality sense a bit.

[Illyria]

My advice: let the character take you where they want to go, rather than trying to force them into doing what you want.  The best - and most fun - characters are the ones that take you by surprise.

 

Dump Solas and go for Cullen.  It sounds like that's what you and your character want.

[Medhia_Nox]

The moments you lose yourself to your character are "the character" you're playing.  Enjoy it and run with whatever you're feeling this character would do.

 

I hate Solas as a profession, but even knowing what he's going to do to his friend Lavellan (a guy) my character still always travels with him, confides in him talks to him and - for his part - is Solas' friend because it feels right. 

[9TailsFox]

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[9TailsFox]

The moments you lose yourself to your character are "the character" you're playing.  Enjoy it and run with whatever you're feeling this character would do.

 

I hate Solas as a profession, but even knowing what he's going to do to his friend Lavellan (a guy) my character still always travels with him, confides in him talks to him and - for his part - is Solas' friend because it feels right. 

My human mage is same he conflicted if even want to change Solas mind.

[Baboontje]

If you need to ask people for help RP'ing a certain character then perhaps that character just isn't for you. Which is fine. It's a game and it's supposed to be entertainment. No need to go all bend over backwards just to see certain content. And if you want to try it, by all means. But if you don't like it and still want to see it, go watch youtube. I've done it for all the characters I'll never romance.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Baboontje:  I don't know - I think asking people for different perspectives can help getting you into a mindset you didn't expect.  At the very least there's no harm in it - at the best, you're seeking authenticity for a personality that is foreign to you.

[Baboontje]

@Baboontje:  I don't know - I think asking people for different perspectives can help getting you into a mindset you didn't expect.  At the very least there's no harm in it - at the best, you're seeking authenticity for a personality that is foreign to you.

Hence the "perhaps". And maybe it does help. But to me it seems like this person is forcing a playthrough upon themselves which to me doesn't seem right. If the difficulty of RP'ing a certain character is so great that you need outside help, why bother at all? That doesn't sound like fun, better end it and move on to something you do like.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

From the OP, I'd say it seems prudent to have your character think about why she likes Solas in the first place. And if she finds she's not in love with him, break up with him in the glade when you get the option. And then go to Cullen, if she can bring herself to do so. At that point in the game, you can still experience all of Cullen's romance scenes, minus the dancing at Halamshiral. They can be triggered one after the other. (I tested it on my Solasmancing first PT just cus I was torn btwn the two and I was so curious about what Cullen's scenes were like. lol)

[phoray]

I actually like my character; I just feel like I would have to ignore her to continue on with him. I've watched the major scenes with Solace on YouTube already, but what I've found surprising is the little things between the scenes that he says that are affectionate. Gives you more insight into his perspective of his place in your group/world.

Makes you wonder if the Dalish hadn't been such jerks to him when he woke up, maybe he wouldn't be trying to remold the world.

Feels like cheating, but perhaps I will simply have to go to a previous save and stop Solas killing off the mages. It makes better sense to do that; I could say that it's forcing Solas to grow. He thinks the whole world is terrible and letting him kill people isn't going to improve things, it's just going to let him vent his frustrations. Which in this case isn't healthy. Also, pacifist elf. Maybe I can swing this after all.

[susanwb]

My Solasmancers don't let him kill the mages, either.  It doesn't break the romance, and in fact, I think it makes more sense that way.  Solas doesn't love Lavellan because she rolls over and does as he wishes.  He loves her because she's wise and principled in her own right, and stands up for what she believes.  I think her stopping him in that moment is a perfect illustration of that, even if he does disapprove.

[robertmarilyn]

None of my PCs let Solas kill the mages, even the PC that romanced him. You can disagree with Solas a lot and keep the romance going because you can get so much approval by just asking him questions. 

[Gervaise]

Just to clarify, the Dalish being unfriendly towards Solas when he first awoke had nothing to do with his plan to remake the world.   All it probably did was prevent him letting them in on the secret about his plan.    Solas says all the right things in the main game; he sounds reasonable much of the time, particularly when talking through issues with other companions but it turns out he is a complete and utter hypocrite.    Make no mistake, from the moment he first awoke his intention was to unlock his orb and drop the Veil.  

 

So far as your romance goes; I romanced him the first time and was completely suckered in by him.   The only chance my girl might have had was if Dorian hadn't been gay; she really got on well with him but on the whole she was attracted to Solas because he was an elf and she found him interesting.   Even so, as the game progressed I was picking up on certain things that seemed odd, like him finding the political intrigue at the Winter Palace a turn on.   Unfortunately, I tended to opt for the heart icons when they presented themselves instead of taking alternative options to quiz him, that ultimately result in his disapproval (as I discovered with my male elf).   Still, despite making choices (such as keeping the Wardens) that Solas didn't approve of, he always still ends up admiring my male elf too.    When Solas broke up with my girl it was totally unexpected, since it was my first play through, and it really knocked her for six.    It may be your problem is trying to romance him when you know what is going to happen.   I know I couldn't romance him again because those odd inconsistencies that were cropping up the first time and I ignored in favour of heart icons would be just too much to do so again. 

 

What I am not clear on is how far you have got with the romance.   I may be remembering it wrong but I thought it was possible to break up with him after the Fade kiss, in the next balcony sequence when he says how much he admires you, you ask what it means and he says "I have not forgotten the kiss" .   At that point, I thought you could either say that you hadn't either (which locks in the romance) or you have the option to back out.    After which you could still go and romance Cullen.   Of course if you have gone past this point, then you do have to wait until after the Arbor Wilds.   If you haven't had that sequence yet, then your approval isn't high enough to trigger it, but if you ask him for a few more stories that should do the trick.    Still if that sequence hasn't triggered, then it should be possible to progress with Cullen.    Did you say you had tried this and Cullen turned you down because of Solas?

[wright1978]

The elven character I created to romance solas didn't work out either.
It wasn't so much a difference of opinion, she likes and respects him but I just found the spark wasn't present and it would be false for the character. So she's staying single because that's what feels true to her character.

[Excella Gionne]

I always get the romance I plan to get with my playthroughs. You gotta be a slave to your planned romance, but of course, try to make your character be their own person too. I have a blackwall romance with my elf mage, but I could have easily romance Solas instead due to my past decisions. If there's something consistant with all of my Inquisitors is that they're all open-minded towards Solas's subjects about the fade, demons, spirits, and etc. I usually have a high approval with Solas no matter what. 

[ArcaneEsper]

I remember my Solasmance was tricky to RP too. I had finished three other playthroughs and felt that weird commitment towards my previous Quizzies' LIs. And aside from that I was beginning to burn out on the game too (and I had already played an elf before which just added to that feeling)

My initial Solasmancer was going to be a warrior who was extremely fascinated by all the magical stuff in Thedas largely because she was a mundane herself. But then I remembered how ugly all the warrior armors looked to me and deleted that save.

My "true" Solasmancer ended up being an archer (because I liked the mundane fascination angle) and I really struggled with what to do with her. Like the whole time I redid the prologue I was like "oh god what do I do with u D:"

But then it hit me. Eirenne (that was her name btw) is likely to be super freaked out. She was just interrogated, has a weird thing on her hand that hurts a whole lot and everyone thinks she's probs guilty while also expecting her to save the day.
In comes Solas, who is pretty polite to her, compliments her rift closing and reveals that he p much kept her alive. Combining that with her general fascination with magic and spirits and all that things just fell into place.

Lol I doubt you asked for people to give you entire life stories or sth but eh there you go. Hopefully something clicks for you and you get an idea for how to RP your Inquisitor.

EDIT: Also this isn't all that helpful but I struggled with romancing Cullen again too but I knew I would so I consciously chose a Qunari on my second run and then a Dwarf on my third so those feelings were more diluted by the time I replayed a race that could romance Cullen.

[Medhia_Nox]

Not part of the romance... but I just got a Solas scene that made me nauseous. 

 

My Lavellan is very friendly with Solas - they travel together, my Lavellan respects him, completed his quest - etc.

 

So, there's a scene where they meet to talk on the balcony of the Inquisitor's private quarters.  I imagine "other" stuff occurs for romancers... but as a friend, Solas questions really pissed me off.

 

"Do you feel different?  Is the mark effecting your.... spirit."
"Why?"
"Oh, no reason."

What a jackass.  He KNOWS the reason... "friend" my ass.  He could tell my character all sorts of things right there... but now, instead he says he "Respects me" and then excuses himself.

 

Funny that in an earlier conversation he says there's nothing worse than betrayal.

 

Could never make a Solasmancer.

[BansheeOwnage]

In my completely unbiased opinion, you should: