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[nightscrawl]

Hence the "perhaps". And maybe it does help. But to me it seems like this person is forcing a playthrough upon themselves which to me doesn't seem right. If the difficulty of RP'ing a certain character is so great that you need outside help, why bother at all? That doesn't sound like fun, better end it and move on to something you do like.

 

I can relate to this in regard to the mage/templar choice in DAI, and I know I'm not alone because there have been quite a few different threads over the months asking players why they make whichever choice. It is enlightening to see different perspectives, even if one doesn't take inspiration from them. I've had quite a few "Oooh I never thought about it that way" moments from reading other people's RP choices.

[Baboontje]

I can relate to this in regard to the mage/templar choice in DAI, and I know I'm not alone because there have been quite a few different threads over the months asking players why they make whichever choice. It is enlightening to see different perspectives, even if one doesn't take inspiration from them. I've had quite a few "Oooh I never thought about it that way" moments from reading other people's RP choices.

 

Right, but that thread asked why they made said choice, not asking people to help with getting yourself to like something enough to make the choice. So I understand the need to compare choices to others as that indeed gives you different perspectives than your own. Just not why they're trying to do something they don't like. But that's just me.

 

In my completely unbiased opinion, you should:

 

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Even though I am completely "unbiased" in the other direction, ahem.

 

Spoiler

 

I agree that they should just go with Cullen instead, for this particular character at least.

[BansheeOwnage]

By this logic Cullen is also racist for being gated to elves and humans only. Why won't he love my dwarf? She loves him! :/ I won't deny Solas is racist, but not because the romance is race gated.

Honestly, sounds to me like you need to let your elf dump Solas and go after Cullen.

Yeah, I wouldn't put any stock in the race-gated romances meaning they're racist, since the only reason they're race-gated is because they were added late and the devs couldn't do more animations for more races.

 

 

And you know, if your character is really super serious about the whole breeding with humans thing, you could make her be "forever alone" and deny her the Cullen romance. She won't be popping out more elves that way, but neither will she be having elf-blooded humans. In that case, it depends on what kind of sacrifice she is willing to make along those lines. I think you could have a really glorious, and super angsty, headcanon revolving around this.

Sounds like my canon Inquisitor    Alas, poor Meredith. Poor glorious, super angsty, forever alone Meredith

 

 

Funny that in an earlier conversation he says there's nothing worse than betrayal.

 

Could never make a Solasmancer.

This isn't quite true, he says:

 

"An enemy can attack, but only an ally can betray you. Betrayal is always worse."

 

He doesn't say betrayal is the worst thing in the world. But to be honest, the more I think about it, the more I realize that he doesn't really betray us. Or at least, he tries to do so as little as possible, because he knows it's a terrible thing to do and go through.

 

This is why despite it being a fairly dumb thing to do, he saves your life in Trespasser, even if he hates your guts. This is why he explains his intentions. Instead of just letting you die or putting you out of your misery, he saves you. Because if he didn't, it would be a betrayal. Instead of saving you but not telling you his plans, he tells you, because that way you can't be betrayed, not really. Because before you actually start fighting each other, you know where you both stand. He doesn't take you by surprise, he lets you prepare, thus minimizing the "betrayal" as much as possible.

 

It's to the point where it's Honour Before Reason. To me, that helps me realize why he lets you live and tells you his plans, and makes him a bit more sympathetic, too.

[Medhia_Nox]

@BansheOwnage:  The minute he pulls my hand forward to close the first rift... we were allies. 

 

Had he faced me then... in front of Cassandra and Varric - and told me who he was and why this was happening... I "could" respect him. 

 

By the time Trespasser happens... any Inquisitor I play will either already hate him or be betrayed by him.  I'm incapable of the other option because of how I perceive it.  

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah, I wouldn't put any stock in the race-gated romances meaning they're racist, since the only reason they're race gated is because they were added late and the devs couldn't do more animations for more races.

 

Sounds like my canon Inquisitor    Alas, poor Meredith. Poor glorious, super angsty, forever alone Meredith

 

This isn't quite true, he says:

 

"An enemy can attack, but only an ally can betray you. Betrayal is always worse."

 

He doesn't say betrayal is the worst thing in the world. But to be honest, the more I think about it, the more I realize that he doesn't really betray us. Or at least, he tries to do so as little as possible, because he knows it's a terrible thing to do and go through.

 

This is why despite it being a fairly dumb thing to do, he saves your life in Trespasser, even if he hates your guts. This is why he explains his intentions. Instead of just letting you die or putting you out of your misery, he saves you. Because if he didn't, it would be a betrayal. Instead of saving you but not telling you his plans, he tells you, because that way you can't be betrayed, not really. Because before you actually start fighting each other, you know where you both stand. He doesn't take you by surprise, he lets you prepare, thus minimizing the "betrayal" as much as possible.

 

It's to the point where it's Honour Before Reason. To me, that helps me realize why he lets you live and tells you his plans, and makes him a bit more sympathetic, too.

I disagree. I do think it is a betrayal, no matter how you try to dress it up. But I can respect that the concept is very subjective.

[Qun00]

Sadly, ninjamancing is a thing of the past.

If you want to romance someone in DAI, your choices WILL have to be aligned with what the LI approves. Not necessarily all decisions, but most of them.

Yeah, I wouldn't put any stock in the race-gated romances meaning they're racist, since the only reason they're race gated is because they were added late and the devs couldn't do more animations for more races.
 

And the idea that they've got their preferences is absolutely inconceivable?

[Sah291]

Haha this is why I never preplan who my character is going to romance...it almost never goes as I plan, which is part of the fun I think, anyway. I can't tell what kind of chemistry a character is going to have other characters until I start RPing them. I don't necessarily know in advance what companions are going to end up being friends and working out with approval either... Every playthrough is different like that.

[Qun00]

Oh, you certainly can plan and succeed. But you have to commit to it. OP wasn't ready to do what it takes.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah, I wouldn't put any stock in the race-gated romances meaning they're racist, since the only reason they're race-gated is because they were added late and the devs couldn't do more animations for more races.

Yeah, the race gate doesn't mean they are racist. There are plenty of other more valid things to show that Solas is a racist. 

[Sah291]

Oh, you certainly can plan and succeed. But you have to commit to it. OP wasn't ready to do what it takes.

Yeah but the OP made a character that wanted to be a more modern elf. Cullen just fits that better I think...so they were trying to play too much against type I guess, and weren't enjoying it.

My Solasmancer was a book worm type that liked dusty old things... Like history, and artifacts, etc. She got on well with Dorian too (unexpectedly), because he's well educated and likes to hang out in the library, but was really outgoing and friendly...and she clashed with Sera.

[phoray]

I've had the second kiss scene with Solas, so yes, it's locked in without going back a tad bit. I really considered what everyone said, but I'm really determined to make this my Solasmance playthrough.

 

"Elsabeth decided to write a letter to the Keeper of her Clan about her emotions regarding her human advisor, Cullen. She re read it at the end and contemplated before the fire place, finding a peace as she stared into the flames. Then dropped the letter into the fire, watched it turn to ash. And became wholly committed to a deep friendship with the man. She's only in her 20s, it's not like if she doesn't fall madly in love while the world is falling apart that she won't find satisfactory love later on.  It is especially good, as she's already had a few conversations with Cullen to let him know she cares for him deeply in spite of the lack of romance. "

 

And that last part is totally true; The next conversation/scene I had with Cullen, the romance option was still there. And I got to tell him, honestly, that I liked him just fine the way he was and that I believed in him or whatever. It was quite satisfying from an RP standpoint. Kinda reminds me of how satisfying I found being Morrigana's female friend (freaking feels there) but could never romance her because the whole feeling of the words would change.

 

I unkilled the mages in my head because the choice is actually irrelevant to the rest of the game play and I didn't feel like replaying 8 hours or figuring out which save it was that I did before that point. honestly, wish I could name the save files.

[Patchwork]

I'm glad you were able to find a way to make it work

 

Being able to name your saves is one of many things I miss from DAO. In my later runs because I knew what would happen next I started giving them chapter names like in books, and for a while I went with Friends inspired The One Where >blank< names.

 

A long list of location saves just isn't the same. 

[mrs_anomaly]

I found it really easy to RP Solas romance as well as Cullen but I couldn't with any of the other characters, and I'm hedging about doing a Blackwall playthrough. I really adore Blackwall but Idk if I can make a human that will be satisfied by him. I'm so tempted! I can't RP the other characters because they do not appeal to me for reasons. 

 

But I guess I find it easy to RP to the hilt because I have a runaway imagination. A Dalish elf is capable of being like any other sentient and understand the dissonance between her clans insular ways- which while perhaps given more leeway in your RP of being a more open minded home clan- she can still see that in the world of Thedas there are more questions than answers and hunger for them. Solas could be the light to your moth- he is tempting with brimming knowledge and you could consider him a Pied Piper of Thedas- his knowledge the honey that has you craving more of him and it's easy to sense that he has depths you can't get to in any conversation. So she wants more- what's in there? What does he know? It's curiosity, fascination and a willingness to see some other perspective than her clan or the Dalish ways. It is entirely feasible that one Dalish elf wanders out of her or his clan and realizes maybe everything they have been taught is too narrow minded to cope with not only reality but hinders also moving forward. 

 

As for being racist- you could definitely accuse Solas of being racist given the context of who he is, his goals, and his lack of understanding how the contemporary races of Thedas are more than ants to be crushed.  But to say that if a character is race gated in any manner equals racism is wrong. Preferences are not wrong necessarily. If I prefer brunette men IRL does that make me a racist? Or does that make me a jerk? Just because that's what gets me going? I detest the idea that what we naturally find attractive therefore makes any of us bad people (ok there are limits to that nothing illegal k?). 

[phoray]

The friendship with Cullen is precious. After the political intrigue of the Winter Palace, Solas reaches out a hand to her. The jewelry? On his face and his actions during the event have showed her something interesting. Had he always been this attractive? She feels a warmth in the pit of her stomach as she takes his hand. And they dance.

:3

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I tried to play a Solasmance with one of my Elven mages - didn't even make the Winter Palace before I got bored with it and reloaded my prologue save so I could go romance Cullen instead. Not enough to the Solas Romance for me. One Kiss, one dance, one tattoo removal and he dumps you. Could have crammed that all into one segment, with the finale being right after the Winter Palace. Nothing else said or done that anyone who simply befriends him won't see and hear.

 

Cullen on the other hand has little things all along and, he likes to kiss better than Solas does, or at least he's willing to kiss while flirting, before committing.

[lynroy]

Hold on, there's three kisses, not one.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Even with three kisses, you can't go spend time with him or kiss him randomly at will as you can with the others. To me it comes off as if he is just tolerating your affection to further manipulate you into aiding him in his plans. If he were really into a romance, he'd want to kiss whenever, or at least spend time with you beyond the friend zone stuff. To me I felt like my Quizzy basically got friend zoned after the fade kiss, he wouldn't kiss again, then did the rescue of his friend and got that kiss too, but still nothing after, can't hug or kiss him, no comments on a relationship, nothing so, friend zoned. I deleted after I discovered even at supposedly stage two, I couldn't even kiss him or get him to say anything he wouldn't say to a friended Quizzy.

[lynroy]

I feel ya. I'd put the not able to kiss whenever down to time and resources. It is a little sad that we only get one unique romance cut scene and it ends in disaster. :/

[phoray]

Even with three kisses, you can't go spend time with him or kiss him randomly at will as you can with the others. To me it comes off as if he is just tolerating your affection to further manipulate you into aiding him in his plans. If he were really into a romance, he'd want to kiss whenever, or at least spend time with you beyond the friend zone stuff. To me I felt like my Quizzy basically got friend zoned after the fade kiss, he wouldn't kiss again, then did the rescue of his friend and got that kiss too, but still nothing after, can't hug or kiss him, no comments on a relationship, nothing so, friend zoned. I deleted after I discovered even at supposedly stage two, I couldn't even kiss him or get him to say anything he wouldn't say to a friended Quizzy.

I also realized that; I feel like a lot of imagination is involved in his romance. I'm also running into other people having things to say after quests are completed but he's plain run out. The bartender did share that people find it "interesting" that the inquisitors has time "to spend" with her companions or some such. I was like, ouch? I barely hang with Solace so nah!

I guess everyone loved the Solas mance so MUCH, I wanted to try it for myself. And have a save with that being the back story; although I guess that's silly now that we have the Keep? I could have just ret conned having been with him next game?

Still. Wanted to give it a shot. Like, if I focus, maybe I would actually be said rather than just disturbed that he disappeared.

Anyone else find it funny that Leliana was all over trying to find him the moment you get back from battle? I thought it was hilarious. I was like, chill; people got things to do.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

She is super conflicted as her desire to help her people conflicts strongly with with the first thing she's ever strongly wanted; Cullen's commanding strong presence; his willingness to share just how wrong he was in the past about mages; a willingness to change and not always thinking he's right.  If I make a decision against his advice, he doesn't seethe and whine like some people. Although, maybe it's good advisors don't have approve meters or whatever; I'll never know if he hates what I'm doing.

 

Your Lavellan is getting the tingles for the Cully Wully.

 

The solution is simple - Romance Cullen or Blackwall and then headcannon it that both of you decided to adopt and raise some Elven children alongside your own. You get to experience the "commanding strong presence", you get to have your own biological kids (even though they are human) and you get to raise and provide some Elven kids with a better future. Its like how Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt have biological children and they also have adopted kids. I personally think both Cullen and Blackwall would be very understanding of Lavellan's desire to adopt Elven children.

[Gervaise]

Solas doesn't have time to spend with you.   He's busy being Leonardo.   Have you not seen the size of his murals?    After every major quest there is another for us to view.   When you consider that most Solas romances like to have him with them much of the time, it is a wonder where he found the time to complete his paintings.

[9TailsFox]

Solas doesn't have time to spend with you.   He's busy being Leonardo.   Have you not seen the size of his murals?    After every major quest there is another for us to view.   When you consider that most Solas romances like to have him with them much of the time, it is a wonder where he found the time to complete his paintings.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Being an elf, you can also metagame your headcannon a bit. She is a very intuitive, perceptive elf, before the conclave, she frequented the fade, much as Solas claims to do. She never encountered Solas there and, her instincts tell her to be wary of him, he feels off to her. Being Dalish, she is likely to trust her instincts.

 

Now what better person to protect her from a mage should her hunch be right than a Templar? Cullen seems friendly enough toward her and, he's always willing to chat with her at least. So, she sets out to befriend Cullen, in case of Solas betraying her. Go from there and see what happens.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

 

Solas doesn't have time to spend with you.   He's busy being Leonardo.   Have you not seen the size of his murals?    After every major quest there is another for us to view.   When you consider that most Solas romances like to have him with them much of the time, it is a wonder where he found the time to complete his paintings.

 

 

Reminds me of The Flash and Speedforce.

 

Speedforce - I Ain't Gotta Explain Sh*t.

 

To the OP :- Just have your Lavellan hook up with Rainwall or Cully Wully and then headcannon adoption of Elven children from alienages.

[nightscrawl]

I found it really easy to RP Solas romance as well as Cullen but I couldn't with any of the other characters, and I'm hedging about doing a Blackwall playthrough. I really adore Blackwall but Idk if I can make a human that will be satisfied by him. I'm so tempted! I can't RP the other characters because they do not appeal to me for reasons.

I think there is something to be said for creating a character and a roleplay for them, and following through with it as part of the journey and story of that character, even if it means that the romance is not completed, or you end it, or whatever else. If you create a character that is initially really into Blackwall and the romance with him, and then just cannot get past the deceit and his past and you break it off, I think that's a great roleplay to have.

However, I DO totally understand wanting to have a character and a romance that you enjoy, feel good about and can fangirl/boy over.
 
 

I also realized that; I feel like a lot of imagination is involved in his romance. I'm also running into other people having things to say after quests are completed but he's plain run out. The bartender did share that people find it "interesting" that the inquisitors has time "to spend" with her companions or some such. I was like, ouch? I barely hang with Solace so nah!

For the Dorian romance (or maybe those with an actual sex scene?), when you ask about rumors, Cabot says, "A few complaining that you've time to bed your allies. I don't judge. Much."
 
 

Even with three kisses, you can't go spend time with him or kiss him randomly at will as you can with the others.

I gotta say, I just adore the kiss-on-demand feature. You get to have a nice, sweet moment and see your LI look at your PC with hearts in their eyes. *Sigh...*