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[Kurupt13]

 When you first see archdemon running thing  ( sorry I forget names) and he sieges the the first town you get to, you are able to get all eight party members first... Which I did, now, what were the four I wasn't using doing ? They weren't helping me, they weren't helping people. they were cowering in the church ??  Seriously that's the only thing I can think of, while your hero and three others risk their lives the other four are having tea in the sieged churched and having a grand ol time...  Seriously just STUPID ABSOLUTELY STUPID.... Whoever was in charge of that sequence or the party in this game is fail IMO.   Why aren't they helping ?   I am so sick of games that have  the potential for multiple parties but never utilize them... THis is pretty much every god damn  RPG and its stupid, it was stupid in ff6/3  and its even more stupid and lazy today ... twenty years later and no developer has yet to give a non used party a use...  FF6/3 finally got it right some with the dragons den addition where you could use every party member. 

 

I hope in the next dragon age, they make it a 5 man party at least, Another thing that bugs me, you have a tank a healer and 2 dps, with 5 or 6, now you can change it up, tank off tank , healer , support , 2 dps, or 3 dps healer two tanks, whatever works for you ...  Give us options with the party, and give us time in which we can utilize our WHOLE PARTY,  again I am completely disgusted and upset with that first BIG BATTLE, as again half your team is doing what !?!? they were behind you a second ago ...

[Kurupt13]

Its funny too, because in dragon age one, at the end, your whole group gets in on the fight, then that doesn't happen again ...  One of the greatest fights of this game, and the dev too team is too lazy to continue this great thing ... sigh ...

[GoldenGail3]

They made a mistake by not putting the party members doing something of use...

[Addictress]

Even bigger mistake when they take on Corypheus at the end.

[GoldenGail3]

Even bigger mistake when they take on Corypheus at the end.

Yeah, but it would've made Inquiston more interesting if they put the party doing something.... ANYTHING really.

[nightscrawl]

I just assumed that they were helping people evacuate. Whether you have Cole or Dorian in the scene with Chancellor Roderick, you see either of them help him along, with Cullen following after a few more words. It seems entirely reasonable to me that all the rest are doing something similar. I was fine with not seeing it.

 

To me, the more jarring thing is what happens to the party when the dragon attacks the last trebuchet and Corypheus shows up. That trebuchet is quite a distance away from the chantry, so it just seems like they leave you there for dead. I would like for it to have been made more clear that they at least glanced back and assumed that you were dead before running away.

[FloraTheElf]

To me, the more jarring thing is what happens to the party when the dragon attacks the last trebuchet and Corypheus shows up. That trebuchet is quite a distance away from the chantry, so it just seems like they leave you there for dead. I would like for it to have been made more clear that they at least glanced back and assumed that you were dead before running away.

I just started another play through the other day and I was thinking this exact thing. Got a funny visual of Solas, Cassandra, and Sera with a "screw this archdemon dragon! I'm out!" face with their hands flailing around in the air as they booked their scrawny butts out of haven. Thanks team, thought we were a fam lol

[Kurupt13]

To me its not even about realism, its about the epic battle that they could've and should've had...  Its just a bad habit in many RPGS as I have said, every player is scripted, again dragon age one you control your character, the rest are on their scripts... The only reason I see why there was no epic battle is pure laziness, maybe EA gave them too short of a timeline to get the game done so things get rushed, I know EA is infamous for pushing timelines and couldn't give two craps about the final product as long as it makes money...

 

 

 Just a huge tease IMO, especially when they have already made the whole party battle in THEIR FIRST GAME, but don't bring the epicness into the others... Like dragon age 2  was seeming to head into bigger battle, then 3 they scale the battle size down.  I enjoyed mauling through weak darkspawn while trying to control the bigger mobs...

[AlanC9]

The old consoles couldn't have handled anything much more epic than what we got, though.

[GoldenGail3]

The old consoles couldn't have handled anything much more epic than what we got, though.

Screw dos consoles (before for Xbox360 though).

[thats1evildude]

"Why don't I see my other companions atHaven?" Well, why don't you see them at Adamant? The Winter Palace? The Arbor Wilds?

All your companions accompany you on various missions, but you only see the actions of the Inquisition's party because that's where the focus is. (There are certain sections where they don't like when you are trapped in the Fade.)

The battle is being raged across the valley. They're just fighting elsewhere.

[Lezio]

Personally, apart for what has already been said, i really hated that when the whole group reunites after defeating Corypheus the only ones who have their armors on are the ones who were in the party. I mean, at least for one cutscene let me look at them all while they're all wearing their badass crafted armors

[vbibbi]

While we can headcanon away the Haven battle (though not the current party just abandoning us ) or Arbor Wilds or Adamant, it would have been nice to have some involvement in the final battle. If the old consoles couldn't handle more people, then have us pan away to the other party members similar to the final battle of DAO. Maybe only the IQ and three companions got to the temple before it floated to the sky. But the other companions are still fighting demons on the ground or the dragon could have fallen to the ground and we fight it there rather than on the temple.

 

Just anything could have spiced up the lackluster final "quest."

[BansheeOwnage]

Well, the soon-to-be Inquisitor tells the companions to "run" when the dragon shows up, but I find it really out-of-character for them to leave when they're already on a suicide mission. I also have no idea how they regroup with the others before the avalanche comes down. I think it would have made much more sense if you had to solo the second half of IYHSB, because it would not only solve those problems, but it would be consistent with the tone. It's supposed to feel like you (not your party) is doing this heroic sacrifice, but for some reason your companions come with you without a word. From the other direction, only you get praise for this both before and after the fact, even though your companions came too. It's bizarre.

 

I actually did decide to solo it for RP reasons one playthrough, and except for my Inquisitor yelling "Run!" to nobody, it felt a lot better narratively and thematically, and made my character feel more defined and awesome. She even has a line when leaving the chantry to take everyone on rather than a companion speaking.

 

Unfortunately for either way they could have done it, there are still other inconsistencies. Mother Giselle says that the people saw you confront Corypheus, and saw you fall. That's not possible, and kind of ruins the credibility of you seeming larger-than-life because of it, which is a huge reason you become Inquisitor.

 

*Sigh* As good as that mission was, it had some annoying flaws.

[AutumnWitch]

Just anything could have spiced up the lackluster final "quest."

 

 

Esp when you consider how epic both the final battles were in DAO (+DAA) and DA2.

[vbibbi]

 

Unfortunately for either way they could have done it, there are still other inconsistencies. Mother Giselle says that the people saw you confront Corypheus, and saw you fall. That's not possible, and kind of ruins the credibility of you seeming larger-than-life because of it, which is a huge reason you become Inquisitor.

 

I think what happened went something like this:

 

IQ makes it to the fleeing Inquisition troops, thinks they're going to die so might as well be a martyr (or an arse). "Mother G...tell the people...."

 

Mother G: "Yes?"

 

IQ: "Tell the people I totes whaled on Corypheus and his dragon. Stopped him good." Passes out

 

 

*Cut to much later at the Temple of Mythal. Corypheus disintegrates then reforms*

 

Cassandra: "Aha! So that is how Corypheus managed to come back after you pinky promised everyone that you had killed him before fleeing Haven!"

 

IQ: "Oh thank the Maker..."

[Lezio]

I think what happened went something like this:

 

IQ makes it to the fleeing Inquisition troops, thinks they're going to die so might as well be a martyr (or an arse). "Mother G...tell the people...."

 

Mother G: "Yes?"

 

IQ: "Tell the people I totes whaled on Corypheus and his dragon. Stopped him good." Passes out

 

 

*Cut to much later at the Temple of Mythal. Corypheus disintegrates then reforms*

 

Cassandra: "Aha! So that is how Corypheus managed to come back after you pinky promised everyone that you had killed him before fleeing Haven!"

 

IQ: "Oh thank the Maker..."

 

I can get behind that

[Knight of Dane]

It's one of my small annoyances as well, but I categorize it under a larger issue I call "inner circle? What inner circle" as the characters that made up this circle were extremely static and had no influence within the main story whatsoever.

 

The only ones with a tiny bit of dynamic to them are Dorian and Iron Bull because they -might- end up together.

[vbibbi]

It's one of my small annoyances as well, but I categorize it under a larger issue I call "inner circle? What inner circle" as the characters that made up this circle were extremely static and had no influence within the main story whatsoever.

The only ones with a tiny bit of dynamic to them are Dorian and Iron Bull because they -might- end up together.

I actually was just having a conversation where I mentioned that I headcanon Bull as not part of my Inquisitor's Inner Circle since she's a little wary of allowing a unrepentant Qunari spy into the details of her organization's workings.

As I see it, the Inner Circle should really be the advisors and Cassandra, plus possibly Vivienne/Solas as "arcane advisor" depending if RPing as a Chantry faithful or not. Everyone else are specialized agents (Cole, Bull and the Chargers), network contacts (Sera, Blackwall was supposed to be but had no idea where the Wardens were, Varric to an extent) or sources of knowledge (Dorian's Tevinter lore against magisters, Varric's knowledge of red lyrium and Hawke, Solas' knowledge of the Fade).

They can be friends of the IQ depending on how you RP, but few of them I would consider "Inner Circle" candidates from an organizational standpoint.

[sjsharp2011]

The old consoles couldn't have handled anything much more epic than what we got, though.

Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head here I think the fact they were trying to support the older consoles as wel  as the new ones is what held DAI back from it being a moer epic game than it could have been. I think and hope Bioware has learned from the mistake though and won't repeat it.

[nightscrawl]

While we can headcanon away the Haven battle (though not the current party just abandoning us ) or Arbor Wilds or Adamant, it would have been nice to have some involvement in the final battle. If the old consoles couldn't handle more people, then have us pan away to the other party members similar to the final battle of DAO. Maybe only the IQ and three companions got to the temple before it floated to the sky. But the other companions are still fighting demons on the ground or the dragon could have fallen to the ground and we fight it there rather than on the temple.
 
Just anything could have spiced up the lackluster final "quest."

 
Maybe they were all clearing the tunnels on the way to the temple! Er, wait... 
 
 

They can be friends of the IQ depending on how you RP, but few of them I would consider "Inner Circle" candidates from an organizational standpoint.

When I think of the Inner Circle concept, I think of an NPC banter you can hear at Griffon Wing Keep. As the Inquisitor runs by with their crew, Guy A says, "How can I be part of that team?" and I think Guy B remarks on the Inquisitor's badassery, or something. To me, the Inner Circle is not about the Inquisition as an organization, but the people the Inquisitor has chosen to surround himself with, and can be seen as "the best" of the Inquisition in terms of ability. Whether they are friends, or not, or your LI, is incidental. I suppose the fact that the Inquisitor personally recruited all of these people also makes them feel more significant, as if he saw something exceptional in them and wanted that person specifically. And some of them, like Dorian, wouldn't be there at all if you didn't vouch for him; he directly states this if you refuse recruitment (after IHW, I don't know about the CotJ path).

[Donk]

Um.. Old gen consoles have nothing to do with poor writing.

[lynroy]

Um.. Old gen consoles have nothing to do with poor writing.

Yes, they do! It's entirely their fault!

[Almostfaceman]

 When you first see archdemon running thing  ( sorry I forget names) and he sieges the the first town you get to, you are able to get all eight party members first... Which I did, now, what were the four I wasn't using doing ? 

 

They were having a dance party behind the scenes where our systems wouldn't have to provide RAM, AI, or rendering for them.

 

[Exile Isan]

@Almostfaceman Thanks for making me laugh with gif. I needed that.