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I've read the topic and I don't think anyone mentioned dimitrie's defensive build on the Justicar (might have missed it, but I don't think so). 

 

And it's a shame, because the defensive Justicar is more tanky than the Krogan Adept will ever be. Here is the build.

 

What's the deal? Bubble full damage reduction & shield recharge, reave full damage reduction. Pull is here for some extra crowd control and for biotic explosions (you won't detonate any, or almost, with the bubble). Full fitness because you don't need more points in Pull nor the passive. 

 

This is a defensive build, but as you already know, camping on the same spot for all day is stupid in that game. So we'll do half : find the enemy, then find a safe spot, a cover from which you can see enemies to shoot. Make your bubble on it, then go to cover, and launch Reave against your opponent.

 

Reave cast on Organics + Defensive Sphere on you + In cover = 80% damage reduction without any penalty for not being in cover. 

 

Meanwhile, Reave & shoot, reave & shoot, reave & shoot... Taking advantage of two things : reave can stack 3 times on the same opponent, and you have warp ammo on a big gun which has no ammo issues. 

Note that you also can take the Hurricane instead of the Lancer, and also skip the passive if you wish. 

 

This build is excellent when Pugging and/or in Platinum, as you can often be forced to fight on the defensive. The defensive bubble is also great to protect other tank teammates and/or defend objectives. And you've still got Reave to detonate biotic combos with your allies. 

 

That may not be the most fun build, but it's a truly efficient alternative.

 

As for the offensive bubble version of the build, I guess everything has been said, more or less. Here's my build, if you want. I just gotta say two things :

 

First : keep pull, no matter what the difficulty or the guns. Reasons ?

- you never know when it can be useful

- easier biotic detonations and kills 

- guardians won't ever bore you

- you don't need the two latter ranks of the Passive, rank 4 is enough

- killing a Phantom with Pull = awesome

- killing a Geth Prime with Pull = awesome²

 

Pull will be best used with an Acolyte, of course. But I tried it with only the Venom on the Justicar and it works well too. 

 

Second : I'd recommand Damage Reduction on Reave's rank 6. You'll most likely have a heavy damage dealing weapon (Hurricane, Venom, Wraith, Piranha...) to couple with Reave and Warp ammo, imho a greater DOT on Reave is useless. Whereas extra 15% damage reduction (40% total, i.e. ~28% when not in cover) is always cool to have, especially on the Justicar if you wish to place the bubble somewhere risky. Well, it's still a detail, and my opinion anyway.

[Catastrophy]

.... Warp Ammo + Annihilation Field + Reegar is gamebreaking.

Wow, I should try this one day. I've settled with the Hurricane on Valkyrie. Blue fire burns hottestest.

[FM_]

That's because the Eagle is a good gun (for it's weight, which is virtually non-existent). Gun gets a lot of hate for no reason. It makes a great sidearm on most characters, or a main gun on extremely weight-sensitive characters, or even as a main gun on the tsol.

It gets hate because a lot of guns will do better. Tempest / Hurricane are better side weapons than the Eagle will ever be. Same for the Turian Soldier. And weight sensitive characters ? Well, Wraith.

 

The Eagle is not that bad, and still usable... but it simply has no proper interest.  

[GruntKitterhand]

Cryo ammo is an interesting choice for the Justicar, any special reason for taking it instead of warp ammo?

 

If you aren't using Warp Ammo, you're doing it wrong.

 

As Slasher has already answered, Cryo ammo on an Acolyte Justicar is a perfectly viable alternative, which not only helps to slow down enemies for better and easier Bubble placement, but the fun it provides is off the charts. Some of my favourite images of the game involve floating frozen Marauders, spinning around for a second or so, right up until the moment they go Boom. I usually hate it absolutely if I end up being the one under pressure having to clutch wave 8, but not with a Cryo Acolyte Justicar - then I might actually look forward to it, as the chances of being hit by the Elbow of Doom are negligible. 

 

Warp Ammo will obviously be more destructive on just about any other build or weapon, but I have little else to use my massive Cryo stocks on, other than one or two Incinerate characters and a Soldier or two.

 

FM_'s defensive Bubble alternative is absolutely beastly in terms of survivability, with impressive damage output as well, and also makes sense for non-hosting players as it's likely to be less buggy overall. Having tried it though, it's one I've marked off my list as 'done that', and I've settled on the one I've advocated as my favourite.

[Arkhne]

It gets hate because a lot of guns will do better. Tempest / Hurricane are better side weapons than the Eagle will ever be. Same for the Turian Soldier. And weight sensitive characters ? Well, Wraith.

 

The Eagle is not that bad, and still usable... but it simply has no proper interest.  

 

Fact #1: Eagle weighs less than either of them.

Fact #2: Eagle has higher DPS than the Tempest.

Fact #3: Eagle is far more accurate than either of them, resulting in far more headshots.

Fact #4: Wraith weighs almost 4 Eagles, there is no point in comparing them, that is like comparing the Spitfire to the Locust.

Fact #5: A passiveless explosion expert, especially tech based, usually cannot use a Wraith and still self-detonate due to weight.

[Catastrophy]

To sum it up: There is a Justicar for everyone!

[GruntKitterhand]

To sum it up: There is a Justicar for everyone!

 

Indeed. She's very giving. 

 

I'm not sure if anyone has even mentioned the Bubble-less option. It's not for me, but I've done a couple of Plat Duos with TMB, who favours it, and it's fair to say he's as beastly with it as with anything else I've seen him use.

[FM_]

Fact #1: Eagle weighs less than either of them.

Fact #2: Eagle has higher DPS than the Tempest.

Fact #3: Eagle is far more accurate than either of them, resulting in far more headshots.

Fact #4: Wraith weighs almost 4 Eagles, there is no point in comparing them, that is like comparing the Spitfire to the Locust.

Fact #5: A passiveless explosion expert, especially tech based, usually cannot use a Wraith and still self-detonate due to weight.

Fact #1 is useless because either of them is light enough to get beneath +150%, and you don't care about gaining something ridiculous like +20% when you're already beneath +150%. 

Fact #2 : yeah, and also higher than the Hurricane, maybe ? Make me laugh. Besides, if you take the Eagle for its DPS, well you're doing it wrong. No offense. 

Fact #3 : Hurricane is deadly enough and doesn't need headshots to deal more damage than the Eagle. As for the Tempest (and the Hurricane too if you still want to be precise with it, which would be totally normal), going in cover to shoot is a good option, even if you lose RHA.

Plus, you're forgetting that the Tempest is Uncommon... way more easy to get quickly to level X than the Eagle. Ever think about new players ?

Fact #4 : Ridiculous. 4*0 is still 0. As a matter of fact, you can be at +170% with a Wraith, meaning good enough cooldowns. Why the hell bother taking an Eagle then ? 

See on this build. And before you say that i'm at +120%, remember that Kalence doesn't know about the bug that prevents the high velocity barrels (and other mods) to modify the weapon's weight, provided it's the single weight mod on your loadout. So I should actually be at +170%. 

Fact #5 : I don't get the point of "being passiveless". Why the hell take no passive ? Unless you're talking about the Vorcha Soldier. Sadly, I play him with the Venom, which weights more than the Wraith... and I still can easily self-detonate. 

 

I see you like facts, well here's one. Eagle has simply no proper interest, as other weapons will do better in the same role (true for all the roles you quoted). Play it if you wish, that's not something I can nor will criticize - in fact, I do play it myself sometimes. But it's no surprise if this gun is disliked or even hated. And that's my point. As I already said, it doesn't mean it's totally **** / not usable. 

[DisturbedPsic0]

I've read the topic and I don't think anyone mentioned dimitrie's defensive build on the Justicar (might have missed it, but I don't think so). 

 

And it's a shame, because the defensive Justicar is more tanky than the Krogan Adept will ever be. Here is the build.

 

What's the deal? Bubble full damage reduction & shield recharge, reave full damage reduction. Pull is here for some extra crowd control and for biotic explosions (you won't detonate any, or almost, with the bubble). Full fitness because you don't need more points in Pull nor the passive. 

 

This is a defensive build, but as you already know, camping on the same spot for all day is stupid in that game. So we'll do half : find the enemy, then find a safe spot, a cover from which you can see enemies to shoot. Make your bubble on it, then go to cover, and launch Reave against your opponent.

 

Reave cast on Organics + Defensive Sphere on you + In cover = 80% damage reduction without any penalty for not being in cover. 

 

Meanwhile, Reave & shoot, reave & shoot, reave & shoot... Taking advantage of two things : reave can stack 3 times on the same opponent, and you have warp ammo on a big gun which has no ammo issues. 

Note that you also can take the Hurricane instead of the Lancer, and also skip the passive if you wish. 

 

This build is excellent when Pugging and/or in Platinum, as you can often be forced to fight on the defensive. The defensive bubble is also great to protect other tank teammates and/or defend objectives. And you've still got Reave to detonate biotic combos with your allies. 

 

That may not be the most fun build, but it's a truly efficient alternative.

 

As for the offensive bubble version of the build, I guess everything has been said, more or less. Here's my build, if you want. I just gotta say two things :

 

First : keep pull, no matter what the difficulty or the guns. Reasons ?

- you never know when it can be useful

- easier biotic detonations and kills 

- guardians won't ever bore you

- you don't need the two latter ranks of the Passive, rank 4 is enough

- killing a Phantom with Pull = awesome

- killing a Geth Prime with Pull = awesome²

 

Pull will be best used with an Acolyte, of course. But I tried it with only the Venom on the Justicar and it works well too. 

 

Second : I'd recommand Damage Reduction on Reave's rank 6. You'll most likely have a heavy damage dealing weapon (Hurricane, Venom, Wraith, Piranha...) to couple with Reave and Warp ammo, imho a greater DOT on Reave is useless. Whereas extra 15% damage reduction (40% total, i.e. ~28% when not in cover) is always cool to have, especially on the Justicar if you wish to place the bubble somewhere risky. Well, it's still a detail, and my opinion anyway.

I did use the defensive bubble Justicar before and it was so BORING. I couldn't stand it. To it's credit I never died, and stood there and melted everything with Reave->Lancer->WarpIV ammo. But if I'm going to stand and shoot, it isn't going to be with an adept. I mean the Drell Adept can do it better. His tankiness doesn't come from shield regen like the Justicar, but from being able to move so fast you can't get hit. And he doesn't have to stand in once spot to do it. Run to spawn, Reave->Cluster Grenades->mop up with weapon->move to next spawn.  It's more engaging, and his passives are infinitely better. 

 

The Justicar has reave, which makes her good enough right there. Her character really comes into it's own when you can chain explosions by placing the bubble->let them walk in->reave->boom->reave->place another bubble->boom. All the while laying into them with warp ammo. Pull for guardians and unprotected mooks. You don't even need the Acolyte to use pull effectively. Reave->shoot until shields are gone, then pull. The only downside to her as a character is the inability for long range biotic booms, unless you have the foresight to set up a bubble ahead of time, which in a solo is easy, but in a team game can be...problematic...

 

Just my ten cents. I prefer offensive builds to defensive builds all day everyday, so I'm a little biased. 

[FM_]

I did use the defensive bubble Justicar before and it was so BORING. I couldn't stand it. To it's credit I never died, and stood there and melted everything with Reave->Lancer->WarpIV ammo. But if I'm going to stand and shoot, it isn't going to be with an adept. I mean the Drell Adept can do it better. His tankiness doesn't come from shield regen like the Justicar, but from being able to move so fast you can't get hit. And he doesn't have to stand in once spot to do it. Run to spawn, Reave->Cluster Grenades->mop up with weapon->move to next spawn.  It's more engaging, and his passives are infinitely better. 

 

The Justicar has reave, which makes her good enough right there. Her character really comes into it's own when you can chain explosions by placing the bubble->let them walk in->reave->boom->reave->place another bubble->boom. All the while laying into them with warp ammo. Pull for guardians and unprotected mooks. You don't even need the Acolyte to use pull effectively. Reave->shoot until shields are gone, then pull. The only downside to her as a character is the inability for long range biotic booms, unless you have the foresight to set up a bubble ahead of time, which in a solo is easy, but in a team game can be...problematic...

 

Just my ten cents. I prefer offensive builds to defensive builds all day everyday, so I'm a little biased. 

 

Won't question your thoughts. I'm myself a very offensive player. Didn't play the Defensive Justicar for long, but I still thought it was worth mentionning. 

[TheTechnoTurian]

Fact #1: Eagle weighs less than either of them.

Fact #2: Eagle has higher DPS than the Tempest.

Fact #3: Eagle is far more accurate than either of them, resulting in far more headshots.

Fact #4: Wraith weighs almost 4 Eagles, there is no point in comparing them, that is like comparing the Spitfire to the Locust.

Fact #5: A passiveless explosion expert, especially tech based, usually cannot use a Wraith and still self-detonate due to weight.

 

But there's also -- 

 

 Fact #6: Eagle Turian Soldier 

 

obvs won't out DPS the hurricane, but mowing everything down with the hurricane is boring overkill IMO 

[FM_]

Sure, but then again, a lot of weapons are funny to use on the Turian Soldier. The eagle is not the first (nor the last). I could very well say the same about the Tempest, for instance. 

[Arkhne]

But there's also -- 

 

 Fact #6: Eagle Turian Soldier 

 

obvs won't out DPS the hurricane, but mowing everything down with the hurricane is boring overkill IMO 

 

The Eagle and the TSol are the single best match in all of Mass Effect. No other combination is as perfect.

[filippopotame]

Fact #5: A passiveless explosion expert, especially tech based, usually cannot use a Wraith and still self-detonate due to weight.

Well this build does it very well. I've grown found of the passiveless paladin

[DisturbedPsic0]

Won't question your thoughts. I'm myself a very offensive player. Didn't play the Defensive Justicar for long, but I still thought it was worth mentionning. 

Very true. I've also been playing the multiplayer since it's release, so over 4 years now. Any character specced for defense is going to be better for newer players. As you get more comfortable with spawn recognition, right hand advantage, understand power absorb bubbles, enemies tendencies, etc, you tend to focus more on doing damage than absorbing damage, since all that knowledge helps you avoid damage altogether. Actually now that I look, I have A LOT of no fitness builds         

[DisturbedPsic0]

Well this build does it very well. I've grown found of the passiveless paladin

Passiveless Paladin is only Paladin. Anyone who says otherwise is lying. I'm not giving up multiple ways to get level 6 cryo explosions, fire explosions, and tech bursts, and I'm sure not give up the almighty fire shield. 

[Terminator Force]

If you aren't using Warp Ammo, you're doing it wrong.

 

Not if you want to go power amp on CSMG instead of Pierce mod and going armour/drill ammo instead of Warp Ammo. This way it kind has to equal out good enough since you replace primed ammo dmg bonus with Reeve doing more dmg instead. Not to mention gaining double hits on boss armour (piercing distance on SMG & Shotgun mods are mighty weak at a limp 0.65 penetration distance).

[Arktinen]

To sum it up: There is a Justicar for everyone!

This.

After reading all this thread, perhaps I'll get brave enough to try her now on Gold (or maybe even Plat.. maybe not yet, I'm a wimp), as i just testdrove her on Silver duos a few times the other week, for the first time. I'm only worried of getting into trouble after bubbling up next to big things, and not knowing how to effectively slide away and/or sliding where ever when I really, really don't want to. (PS3 Omnifukton) That's just my own L2Justi issue, but I'll get there.

[Terminator Force]

So you have a new sig that says you're a tease. Interesting.

[Al Swearengen of Deadwood]

The Justicar will always have a special place in my heart for being the 1st character I was able to play comfortably on plat. With all of the different ways that she can be specced and armed, she could be the most diverse character on the game. Just so many different ways to absolutely destroy **** with her.

[Arktinen]

Update: Ok, just had a duo on Gold with my Justigirl + hubby playing with Fury. Worked great, even with so many devices, I'm starting to get the hang of her.

[Alfonsedode]

lol, arkhne facts strike again, ok mostly lol at fact 5

[Asari Goddess]

Wow, I should try this one day. I've settled with the Hurricane on Valkyrie. Blue fire burns hottestest.

 

Disgraceful, how have you not tried that as of yet. The Reegar + warp rounds can very deadly for those that can use it especially those that like getting... up close and personal.

 

but i still stick crusader because sometimes it's good to have that long distance relationship with those pesky creatures time-to-time.

[Arkhne]

lol, arkhne facts strike again, ok mostly lol at fact 5

 

Be careful what you say. BioMods ban for anything, even telling people to not say stuff.

[Bud Halen]

Back when this game would actually load on my Ecks Bawks, Justicar was a true fave of mine.  I settled on the tanky 66455 AcLOLyte build.  Even a mediocre scrub like me could keep her upright in Plat matches...no CM IVs required (provided you take Reave-6b).

 

But I haven't seen anyone mention the Sphere-less 06666 midrange gunner build.  I played around with it for awhile.  The constant Reave - Wrape ammo combo works as expected, but it's more of a play-the-weapon style...wasn't really my thing.  The GPS worked quite well with this midrange focused set up.  That full rank-6 Pull --> Guardians Schmuardians afterall.  Also liked her with a CSR, Indra, and GPSMG (a ramped up GPSMG with Wrape IV will chew through a Reaved Ravager faster than you'd think).  But any mid-to-long range weapon would work swimmingly.

 

 

Back to shooting my way through Pandora with my little guy...