47 Antworten in diesem Thema

[Qun00]

You know, enter the Fade and slay the bastard.

Of course, there is no way to get Circle assistance, but Varric's got his contacts. I'm sure he could provide some lyrium from the Carta.

[Catilina]

You know, enter the Fade and slay the bastard.

Of course, there is no way to get Circle assistance, but Varric's got his contacts. I'm sure he could provide some lyrium from the Carta.

 

Yes. (And dont forget the Sabrae clan)

 

I think: maybe because Anders doesn't want this.

[AresKeith]

Anders and Justice wasn't like Connor 

[Catilina]

Anders and Justice wasn't like Connor 

Yes, this is why Anders doesn't want this. Justice is his friend. I do not think, he want to kill him.

[Qun00]

Yes. (And dont forget the Sabrae clan)
 
I think: maybe because Anders doesn't want this.

Abominations don't get to vote.

[GoldenGail3]

Abominations don't get to vote.

Or a say in such matters 

[Catilina]

Abominations don't get to vote.

Well, it's pretty convincing argument ... interesting that none came to mind. For example Fenris. In the Act2 (after the Fade for Feynriel) he are already familiar with the method. Though if you in rivalry with him, he says, would have been easier to kill Feynriel ... However, Fenris only once targeted killing Anders, just in a party banter:

 

(If Hawke spent the night with Fenris, but moved on to Anders)

• Anders: You were an idiot to leave Hawke.
• Fenris: And you were fast enough to replace me.
• Anders: I love him/her. You can't even imagine what that is.
• Fenris: Do not bare your heart to me, mage, unless you would have me rip it out.

The point is that no one comes to mind ... weird.

[GoldenGail3]

Well, it's pretty convincing argument ... interesting that none came to mind. For example Fenris. In the Act2 (after the Fade for Feynriel) he are already familiar with the method. Though if you in rivalry with him, he says, would have been easier to kill Feynriel ... However, Fenris only once targeted killing Anders, just in a party banter:
 
(If Hawke spent the night with Fenris, but moved on to Anders)

• Anders: You were an idiot to leave Hawke.
• Fenris: And you were fast enough to replace me.
• Anders: I love him/her. You can't even imagine what that is.
• Fenris: Do not bare your heart to me, mage, unless you would have me rip it out.

The point is that no one comes to mind ... weird.

Becuase I'm fairly certain Justice wouldn't have allowed it that way, and getting Justice out of Anders would've made me feel greatly sad for Anders; I'm just not sympathic towards Abomations...

[Catilina]

Becuase I'm fairly certain Justice wouldn't have allowed it that way, and getting Justice out of Anders would've made me feel greatly sad for Anders; I'm just not sympathic towards Abomations...

Not to mention that Justice (or so he says) is not tied to the Fade any more...

 

(I also would not hurt Anders. I also hate enough to kill him ... mostly I leave alive. My second love!)

[GoldenGail3]

Not to mention that Justice (or so he says) is not tied to the Fade any more...
 
(I also would not hurt Anders. I also hate enough to kill him ... mostly I leave alive. My second love!)

I think a non abomantion Anders would of made me feel sad for him, not Justice-Anders...

[Catilina]

I think a non abomantion Anders would of made me feel sad for him, not Justice-Anders...

Well, he was much funnier But Justice too...

[GoldenGail3]

Well, he was much funnier But Justice too...

Justice and Anders should've never become one - it was a horrible mistake...

[Catilina]

Justice and Anders should've never become one - it was a horrible mistake...

(But I like Anders / Justice too. It's embarrassing?)

[GoldenGail3]

(But I like Anders / Justice too. It's embarrassing?)

You misunderstand what I say....

*I don't like Abomantion Anders

*If Jusitce and Anders spilt I would feel sad by Anders

*Becuase he's not an abomantion anymore. Thusly, I would feel sad because he had to watch through his own eyes as the Kirkwall chantry fell apart, and he couldn't stop Justice from doing it, and thus, I'd feel sad for the split Anders as he had to relay the iccident in his head over and over again, and not being able to do anything about it...

[Catilina]

You misunderstand what I say....

*I don't like Abomantion Anders

*If Jusitce and Anders spilt I would feel sad by Anders

*Becuase he's not an abomantion anymore. Thusly, I would feel sad because he had to watch through his own eyes as the Kirkwall chantry fell apart, and he couldn't stop Justice from doing it, and thus, I'd feel sad for the split Anders as he had to relay the iccident in his head over and over again, and not being able to do anything about it...

But he vant to freed Justice, not kill... i think.

[GoldenGail3]

But he vant to freed Justice, not kill... i think.

I never said kill... I said left.... Split... Not kill...

[Catilina]

I never said kill... I said left.... Split... Not kill...

Okay

(However he is also responsible for the explosion! Not only Justice/Vengeance...)

[GoldenGail3]

Okay
(However he is also responsible for the explosion! Not only Justice/Vengeance...)

Yeah, I know, he'd have to live with that for the rest of his life, and I'm okay about that...

[Baboontje]

You know, since the Avvar merge spirits and mages on purpose for a time. I am of a mind that they might be able to help. So in my headcanon, my Hawke dragged Anders with her after my Inquisitor was done in the Basin. Varric sent Hawke a letter with the tip and she made a beeline for Stone-Bear Hold. Screw Weisshaupt, first we free Anders.

[Jaison1986]

Anders is possesed by Justice in the physical world, unlike Connor who was possesed by a link through the fade. Like others said, only the avvar know how to undo such possesion. Who knows if Anders will ever get wind of this.

 

I personally would gleefuly smite Justice out of existance if they ever got separated. I blame everything that went wrong on him. I mean yes, it was stupid for Anders to accept merging with him, but it was Justice who came up with this possesion plan in the first place. Everything that went wrong at that point foward was Justice's fault. He deserves to be punished for that.

[Catilina]

Anders is possesed by Justice in the physical world, unlike Connor who was possesed by a link through the fade. Like others said, only the avvar know how to undo such possesion. Who knows if Anders will ever get wind of this.

 

I personally would gleefuly smite Justice out of existance if they ever got separated. I blame everything that went wrong on him. I mean yes, it was stupid for Anders to accept merging with him, but it was Justice who came up with this possesion plan in the first place. Everything that went wrong at that point foward was Justice's fault. He deserves to be punished for that.

I remember that Anders offered the unity. In addition, he said, he's hatred corrupted Justice.

[vbibbi]

Anders is possesed by Justice in the physical world, unlike Connor who was possesed by a link through the fade. Like others said, only the avvar know how to undo such possesion. Who knows if Anders will ever get wind of this.

 

I personally would gleefuly smite Justice out of existance if they ever got separated. I blame everything that went wrong on him. I mean yes, it was stupid for Anders to accept merging with him, but it was Justice who came up with this possesion plan in the first place. Everything that went wrong at that point foward was Justice's fault. He deserves to be punished for that.

 

They're both at fault and both victims of the situation. Neither knew what they were really getting themselves into or what the consequences would be. It had good intentions, which paved the way to hell.

 

Justice is kind of a proto-Cole. As a spirit he doesn't understand the mortal world or how he could be corrupted by it. But by acting as he would in the Fade, he becomes corrupted and a demon-version of himself. It's just that Cole was able to pull himself away from that and return to his original identity, but Justice is constantly feeding off of Anders' anger and isn't able to revert to his original form.

 

But yeah, they are physically (metaphysically?) linked and couldn't be separated like Connor was. Connor was a very specific instance where the demon wasn't physically possessing him but controlling him while still in the Fade. He was a quasi-abomination while Anders is an actual abomination, just one possessed by a spirit rather than a demon. I think Wynne mentioned that it's possible to cure an abomination but it has not been done in a long time and it's more difficult than what we had to do for Connor.

 

The Avvar are able to do so, so hopefully after DAI an Anders who is still alive can go to them and get help, but I'm not sure if the Avvar technique only works with friendly spirits who are willing to leave the host's body. By the end of DA2, I think Justice would refuse to be separated.

[Lezio]

Quoting Hawke "I don't even think there was ever a 'Anders'".

 

Personally i believe that in the friendship path Anders, by Act 3, completely stopped existing and "Vengeance" took his place. Vengeance being the complete and total merge of Anders and Justice's extremes.

 

So, Anders' wish to see mages having some kind of freedom and decisional power over their lives (in Awakening he specifically states that mages breaking away from the Chanry is not a solution) twisted by Justice's black and white mentality, Justice's absolute approach to, well, Justice twisted by Anders' rage towards the Chantry and the templars (as Justice says in Awakening, the fade is a place of absolutes so having to deal with the amount of "grey" Anders lives with basically twisted him[Justice]). They corrupted each other and both turned into a 3rd entity, Vengeance

 

This created the being whom doesn't bat an eye if Hawke sells Fenris to Danarius and yet would literally die to see all mages set free. It's not about freedom, it's about mages' freedom. Their beliefs merged and brought to an extreme

 

All of this to say that, in my opinion, friendship path Anders is completely unsalvageable because there's basically no Anders, or Justice, left to save.

 

While in the rivalry path what, i think, actually happened is that Justice straight up turned into a demon and actually started possessing Anders by the time Act 3 kicked in (rivalry Anders has blackouts and memory problems). So, yeah, since in this case there's Anders, or what's left of him, and there's Vengeance, Justice turned into a demon, it could be possible to save the former

 

 

And as i write this i find myself wishing, for the 100th time, DA2 wasn't rushed. Anders would have been such a brilliant character if in Act 1 he was the guy from Awakening and then, slowly, started to fall

[Baboontje]

The Avvar are able to do so, so hopefully after DAI an Anders who is still alive can go to them and get help, but I'm not sure if the Avvar technique only works with friendly spirits who are willing to leave the host's body. By the end of DA2, I think Justice would refuse to be separated.

 

Sadly, I doubt we will be given the chance to help Anders even if the Avvar could possibly separate them. So all we have left is headcanon. And in that case, my Hawke would do anything to tear Justice out. Come hell or high water, he needs to go. Wether he wants to or not.

 

Perhaps if the Veil does get brought down, it would force Justice to leave or maybe he would be able to leave on his own accord as he would no longer need Anders to remain in the physical world- Or rather, there would be no more distinction between the Fade and the physical world.

[vbibbi]

Sadly, I doubt we will be given the chance to help Anders even if the Avvar could possibly separate them. So all we have left is headcanon. And in that case, my Hawke would do anything to tear Justice out. Come hell or high water, he needs to go. Wether he wants to or not.

 

Perhaps if the Veil does get brought down, it would force Justice to leave or maybe he would be able to leave on his own accord as he would no longer need Anders to remain in the physical world- Or rather, there would be no more distinction between the Fade and the physical world.

 

I don't think we'll see Anders going to the Avvar in a game, no, but I don't think there's anything in the lore that would contradict this possibility. I have a feeling after Trespasser that all DA2 companions will be out of all future stories, so headcanon of Hawke and Anders going to the Avvar for help doesn't go against canon.

 

That's a good point about the Veil lowering and that effect on abominations. I wonder if there is even an option to lower the Veil whether we would see the fallout of the change or if it would just be the final scene of the series, like the synthesis ending of ME3.