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[aoibhealfae]

Everything did go to hell anyway, politically. The Alliance parliament was obliterated, the Turian hierarchy in chaos. The matriarchs and salarian union became too occupied with their own self-interest. Whatever status quo the original council tried to preserve didn't even last two years after Sovereign attack. Besides, I agree with Councilor Irissa in this, politicians can be replaced. I think growing deterrence and uneasiness among the military powers and council races is much better than having them sitting on their hands, acting like everything is normal and laughing at Shepard's so called "Reapers" until millions starts dying. 

 

Humanity have been preparing themselves for a war against the hegemony and partly due to what happen at the Bahak system. The quarians have been at it too with their attempt at retaking Rannoch. Even without substantial evidence of Reaper's existence, being aware of possible threats is healthy.

 

Besides, the council races always know how fragile their power balance was. The last time they had this amount of problem was with krogan expansion and they went through a great length to preserve their status quo.

[gothpunkboy89]

Everything did go to hell anyway, politically. The Alliance parliament was obliterated, the Turian hierarchy in chaos. The matriarchs and salarian union became too occupied with their own self-interest. Whatever status quo the original council tried to preserve didn't even last two years after Sovereign attack. Besides, I agree with Councilor Irissa in this, politicians can be replaced. I think growing deterrence and uneasiness among the military powers and council races is much better than having them sitting on their hands, acting like everything is normal and laughing at Shepard's so called "Reapers" until millions starts dying. 

 

Humanity have been preparing themselves for a war against the hegemony and partly due to what happen at the Bahak system. The quarians have been at it too with their attempt at retaking Rannoch. Even without substantial evidence of Reaper's existence, being aware of possible threats is healthy.

 

Besides, the council races always know how fragile their power balance was. The last time they had this amount of problem was with krogan expansion and they went through a great length to preserve their status quo.

 

Until the Reapers actually attack none of this is valid. You need to separate the difference between the player who knows what will happen and the people in game who would have no idea. The council might know as well as higher ups in the governments of different races but the average person will not know. massive destabilization of the ruling governments would cause problems which would only be amplified by the Reaper invasion.

 

Domino effect

[aoibhealfae]

Tevos, Valern and Sparatus are just representatives from the Asari Republic, Salarian Union and Turian Hierarchy. They have their shackles and their own masters and the limitations of their powers. These are elected officials, not monarchs. The council races still hold Citadel regardless of how humanity insert themselves. 

[gothpunkboy89]

Tevos, Valern and Sparatus are just representatives from the Asari Republic, Salarian Union and Turian Hierarchy. They have their shackles and their own masters and the limitations of their powers. These are elected officials, not monarchs. The council races still hold Citadel regardless of how humanity insert themselves. 

 

Alterations in political standings that have been stable for a long time can have ramifications. Turians no longer feeling the need to be held back by the Treaty can result in many worrying about them making a grab for power. The Dreadnought raito is 5:3:3:1 For every 1 Dreadnought the non Council races has the Asari/Salarian must have 3 and the Turians have 5.

 

This allows the Turians to be the peace keepers but also would allow the other races to unite and stand a chance against the Turians if something happened. The treaty BTW was signed by the assorted race leaders not just the space UN representatives.  Turians feeling they are no longer bound by this would allow them to build as many dreadnoughts they want allowing them to massively out gun any other race in the galaxy. So suddenly if the Turians decided they wanted to do something no other race would be able to stand up against them in a fight.

 

For the player who knows Rapers are coming and are glad for the build up this is a good thing. For anyone else in the game world including the various races leaders who still didn't believe in the Reaper threat this means something else entirely different.

 

Equivalent of the US suddenly doubling the number of nukes as well as forcibly conscripting people and doubling the amount of air craft carriers and such. To everyone else in the world they would suddenly get very nervous out of the sudden and without reason build up of an already powerful nation. If aliens suddenly attacked US request for aid would most likely be less then without the build up. The reason being they already have their own problems and US already seemed so strong. So why should we waste resources to help them when we are already struggling.

[Pasquale1234]

Just read some bits about Alliance on wiki.

"If the Council is sacrificed in the battle, the rest of the galaxy deeply resents the Alliance's political clout with the new Council and desires to return to the former status quo. As tensions with the Alliance escalate, the Turian Hierarchy renounces the Treaty of Farixen and expresses its intent to increase dreadnought construction. In addition, the Alliance plans to provide the majority of ships for a proposed Allied Citadel Defense Unit, which would replace the decimated Citadel Fleet; the Asari Republics cede their share of responsibility for the Citadel's defense to the Hierarchy"
 
I remember hearing it from the terminal in ME2. If they're building more dreadnoughts, seems like a good trade-off considering reaper invasion is coming.

It sounds to me like the Citadel Fleet took some very heavy losses there - including the loss of the entire asari component.

That whole situation had the writers (along with the cutscene designers) bending over backwards to create a scenario that would give Shepard one last major choice with consequences. A choice that Shepard should not have been asked to make.

The question is framed in-game as sacrificing some part of the fleet to save the DA versus keeping that fleet intact to go up against Sovereign. The reality is that rescuing the DA required taking out some number of geth ships. Those geth ships would need to be thinned out, anyway, to pursue Sovereign. I guess I've always seen it as a false choice.

But wrt the topic, I've always thought that Shepard and Udina made some fairly unreasonable demands of the Council, particularly in ME1 & 3.