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[pepper]

Its a fantasy game so yes I would like to see a veil-less world however with Solas's track record being what is  this may be epic fail lol.

[GoldenGail3]

Oh gosh, the Veil. Yes. That sounds sooo much better then the Qun taking over the world.

[Almostfaceman]

Oh gosh, the Veil. Yes. That sounds sooo much better then the Qun taking over the world.

 

I know right? 

 

Speaking for myself, I voyage through Thedas for adventure. Experiencing and surviving the world without the Veil sounds like an adventure!

 

Being a number in the Qun.... not so much. 

[Deadmac]

So, if you had to pick between the Qunari conquering the world, or Solas getting rid of the Veil which would you pick? 

 

We don't know everything about Solas's plan to lower the Veil, so this is just based on what we know. 

 

I for one would prefer to see the world reboot without the Veil rather than see it under the heel of the Qunari. 

 

With the Veil gone, all surviving creatures regain their natural conscious connection to the Fade, if applicable. Magical wonders like the Crossroads could again be created and utilized. New magical tools against the Blight could be made possible. Surviving races could get a chance to learn from past mistakes and take different paths moving forward. 

 

With the Qun, everyone's a number. A worker ant in an ant hive. That's no way to live. 

 

 

 

This is purely hypothetical, I'm not implying this is a choice we may have to make later on in the Dragon Age story. 

Neither. I think the story-line is too narrow.

 

As I said in a previous thread, "Dragon Age IV" needs to open the door dramatically. Solas' Qunari story arch should be a sidequest, which exists along side of a main narrative. Although elves and quanari are interesting species, I think they have been done to death. "Dragon Age IV" needs to be about a whole new set of mythological species. BioWare needs to create a whole new set of player character (and npc) species and origin stories.

 

"Dragon Age IV" should contain stuff that is familiar; however, we should also see stuff that is unfamiliar. 

 

As long as BioWare keeps recycling old content, similar to adding "Dragon Age II: Legacy" characters into "Dragon Age: Inquisition", the future of the franchise will remain in question.

 

"Dragon Age II" already had a boring quinari storyline.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

As I said in a previous thread, "Dragon Age IV" needs to open the door dramatically. Solas' Qunari story arch should be a sidequest, which exists along side of a main narrative. Although elves and quanari are interesting species, I think they have been done to death. "Dragon Age IV" needs to be about a whole new set of mythological species. BioWare needs to create a whole new set of player character (and npc) species and origin stories.

 

Dragon Age 4: Rise of the Fex!

[Ghost Gal]

I'd sooner aid Solas in removing the Veil than help the Qunari take over Thedas.

 

Granted, I'd only do so if there was a less destructive way than what he has planned; but the point is I can see a situation where I could support Solas if the conditions were right, whereas I will not support the Qunari's goal of taking over the whole world under any circumstances.

[kann.nix9mm]

It's like choosing between pest and cholera, either way you are ****** screwed.

 

1: Should the Qun win you will be re-educated and integrated into their society. Interesting enough the great majority would probably prosper under the Qun, alone for the fact that nobody has any idea what to do with their precious 'freedom' they try to defend. Personally I would have no problem getting a sense of fulfilment out of my role or job, better than a slave, hunted, imprisoned etc.

 

2: We have no clue what destroyed veil means. From what Solas said before the Veil the fade was more closely connected to the real world but still separated. Solas said that "The rise of my people will mean the end of yours." or something along that line. Knowing Solas his people are not the elves in general but the immortal elves, the old elves, in particular. So humans, qunari, dwarves and modern elves would be fucked. Furthermore Solas said waking up into the modern world was like waking up into a world of tranquil. Okay, let's say you are an elf, your connection to magic is restored, you are fucked. I mean remember that one tranquil that regained his magic because of a demon/spirit, he went insane and died.

 

Like I said, like choosing between pest and cholera ...

 

So, I choose option 3, cut Solas throat wide open and fight the Qun!

[mgagne]

So, if you had to pick between the Qunari conquering the world, or Solas getting rid of the Veil which would you pick? 

 

 

 

The Qun.  I don't think the Qunari themselves have really contemplated what their victory would mean for their own social structure.  The 'assimilation' of so many varied cultures would require adjustments - if only as concessions to quell some of the numerous rebellions that would inevitably follow.  The Qun works so far because it suits the grey cows who, despite having incorporated/converted individuals from other races into their society, remain the dominant 'ethnic group' within it.  With a 'global victory' they'd become the minority and, once again, would have to water down the demands of their cult/philosophy for if not, their new empire would collapse under the weight of its own contradictions.  I'm not saying the experience wouldn't be traumatic but you could survive it; as a matter of fact some of the Qun's teachings could be beneficial to extricate Thedas from the feudal model that still govern their lives.

 

 

There are far too many unknowns with removing the Veil - not to mention the 'burning of the world' bit - to even consider it an alternative.  What if things don't turn out the way our prideful, arrogant and overreaching Solas envision?  What if the Blight, rather than being eradicated by the change, becomes virulent and rampant, fueled by the excess magical energies awash in a veil-less world?   What if it awakes the Titans and drives them mad?  Can you imagine the disaster?  And of course the seals on the Evanuris' prison would be broken and they'd soon be on the war path to castrate their jailor and one time friend.

 

But all the above is rhetorical.  Solas was written to be a tragic character so it's more than likely he is destined to fail.  And don't forget 'those across the sea' - it is very clearly stated (in the Cullen result) that they're waiting for the end game:

 

"We hold your Inquisition in high esteem. Thedas's present troubles are great, but you have the strength to meet and conquer them. More will come. We prepare for the day and hold vigil."

 

In either scenarios, I believe they would intervene.  Who they are, what they are, nobody knows.  It could simply be a throwback during the writing of this game - one the devs won't follow up on -  or it could be a hint of things to come in future titles.

 

In any case - if I had my way - I would seal the Fade shut, forever.

[Navasha]

The Qun is pretty much the worst possible outcome in my opinion.   So yes, defeating the Qun would take precedence over thwarting Solas. 

[Beerfish]

I'd go Qun all the way, they screw up a LOT and are generally quite incompetent so I am fully confident that within 100 years we would have kicked their asses back across the ocean one way or another.

[Reznore57]

I'd go Qun all the way, they screw up a LOT and are generally quite incompetent so I am fully confident that within 100 years we would have kicked their asses back across the ocean one way or another.

 

Yeah besides , imagine the Qunari trying to convert all of Thedas.

The whole process would require a lot of time and a lot of ressources , first some military occupation but then they break family apart , try to convert , if failed you're turned into a zombie , if not they need to test you some more to find you a job...

They don't even have their own economy as far as I know , little money , picky about trading...so even pirates , carta , and all the outlaws out there would riot .

So they better be super super efficient , or most likely they would waste an enormous amount of time inland , just to get their asses kicked slowly but surely by some type of resistance.

[Nimrodell]

I'd actually fight against both options - period.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

For anyone that has children this should be a no brainer ,imagine having your family torn apart all in the name of efficiency,this is why any sane person would fight the Qun with their last breath.Also the threat of Qunari dominion is more real and understandable to the "man" on the street. 

[Darkstarr11]

If the Veil comes down, you STILL have a choice.  I go with the crazy elf plan.  Though, it IS like trying to decide if you will challenge tiger with a toothpick, or fight a shark by spitting on it, but...yeah, I think I like my chances better with the Fade-Tiger-Toothpick plan.  

[mgagne]

For anyone that has children this should be a no brainer ,imagine having your family torn apart all in the name of efficiency,this is why any sane person would fight the Qun with their last breath.Also the threat of Qunari dominion is more real and understandable to the "man" on the street. 

 

 

I'm sorry but can you elaborate on why dying in a burning world is preferable to being alive, even if a slave? 

[dawnstone]

I'm sorry but can you elaborate on why dying in a burning world is preferable to being alive, even if a slave? 

Because you haven't been force-fed quamek and are still able to ask that question.

[SweetTeaholic]

I rather die in a firing magical apocalypse than have my Indvidualty and freedom striped away. Just saying.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

I'm sorry but can you elaborate on why dying in a burning world is preferable to being alive, even if a slave? 

I as the common man or woman cannot truely comprehend a magical conflagration enveloping my world and ending it.I can grasp the concept of towering ox men conquering all before them and killing those that resist.

[mgagne]

I as the common man or woman cannot truely comprehend a magical conflagration enveloping my world and ending it.I can grasp the concept of towering ox men conquering all before them and killing those that resist.

 

 

Yes but there's hope to recover from a Qunari invasion/conquest - for the reasons I've detailed above.  When you're dead there's no returning.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

Yes but there's hope to recover from a Qunari invasion/conquest - for the reasons I've detailed above.  When you're dead there's no returning.

The common man does not really know about magic,it terrifies him,it is vast, alien and unknowable. The Qunari while alien are still something he/she can deal with somewhat.They don't have your overreaching knowledge that you as the "player" has.

If i told you pink demon was going to destroy the world by turning into ectoplasmic custard you would struggle to comprehend what this would entail,on the other hand an invasion by another people,that you can comprehend.

[myahele]

Assuming removing the veil won't result in a world-wide explosion killing most people on the surface. I can see a Veil-less world to be interesting.

 

There seems to be alot of ancient beings "sleeping" and it might be due to the Veil. Great Dragons are all hidden away are have been sleeping for who knows how long, Titans ... others? 

 

Seems as if there's a "de-evolution" going on with all alot of things: Dwarfs not connected to the stone, Elves loss of immortality and potentially height (Solas and Abelas all look alot more fit than the skinny modern elves we see) the biggest mystery for now are humans and their origin. Although if the Avvar are an indicator, they're getting shorter.

 

Most likely a veil-less world will be dangerous to those who can't protect themselves/ not-mages. But I can actually see powerful spirits being a villages/towns "protector" much like how it is in Avvar culture. 

[Almostfaceman]

I'd take my chances surviving the lowering of the Veil. 

 

Not only would it suck being a number under the Qun but also I know I'd end up dead because I couldn't stand the pure hubris of a society that feels entitled to micro-manage every aspect of my life. 

[Lunatica]

I'd take my chances surviving the lowering of the Veil. 

 

 

You remind me of  American psycho

[Almostfaceman]

You remind me of  American psycho

 

I can't imagine why.

 

[Al Foley]

I'd take the Veil.  As much as Solas likes to think it would be instantly catrastrophic I don't think opening the Veil will be that instantly catastrophic.  I imagine Solas likely thinks that humanity won't survive the resurgance of the Evanuris in this world and his little 'plan' he has for 'dealing' with them.  Heh I just had a thought of what that could be.  Anyways.  If the Qunari has successfully managed to conquer Thedas then its game over.  They'll massarcre, killl, convert, or brainwash everyone into serving the Qun.