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[GoldenGail3]

You just realized this?

[Giantdeathrobot]

 

I realized that Corypheus is beyond stupid

 

I agree if he had played his cards right he would have won. 

 

 

Isn't that the case with every villain in existence? They must do something wrong somewhere for the protagonist to beat them, or else the protagonist would be able to beat them regardless of the villain's qualities which would make the hero just plain stronger, and that's not very interesting.

[Cute Nug]

I have really enjoyed Bioware games with the parts they create exceptionally well but yes in terms of villain derp Corybits was a new height in stupid. Cory even managed to out derp Orsino which I thought was impossible. How did Varic and Hawke not comment on this?

 

The real stupid will be on us irrationally believing they will write Solace in DA4 as anything but painfully stupid. 

 

DA4: The Derp Wolf

[German Soldier]

Isn't that the case with every villain in existence? They must do something wrong somewhere for the protagonist to beat them, or else the protagonist would be able to beat them regardless of the villain's qualities which would make the hero just plain stronger, and that's not very interesting.

That's true however i think that with Corypheus they slightly exaggerated.

Loghain was a villain but still a person without any of the super cool powers Corypheus had.

-Corypheus  created a dragon who defeated his own immortality=stupid

-Went to kill himself against the Inquisitor in the ending while perfectly aware that they had obtained the well of sorrow=lame

-Brought his dragon in the final battle which was his only weak point=lame 

-Didn't used his powers to try to mind control the Inquisitor in Heaven=lame

[German Soldier]

I have really enjoyed Bioware games with the parts they create exceptionally well but yes in terms of villain derp Corybits was a new height in stupid. Cory even managed to out derp Orsino which I thought was impossible. How did Varic and Hawke not comment on this?

 

The real stupid will be on us irrationally believing they will write Solace in DA4 as anything but painfully stupid. 

 

DA4: The Derp Wolf

If they have to write a story meant to defeat Solas then i hope it is more credible.

[thats1evildude]

No it was too much. He does it in a stupid way. He personally went to haven to kill the inquisitor and what the fvck does he do? He doesn't do it. He just rambles about nothing. And he throws the inquisitor far away from him.

 

Corypheus actually went there to recover the Anchor. Unfortunately for him, he couldn't remove it.

 

He did intend to kill the Inquisitor, but made the mistake of throwing them at the trebuchet. (To be fair, he had no way of knowing the Herald intended to cause an avalanche that would destroy them both.)

[straykat]

The whole main story is stupid. If it wasn't attached to Dragon Age in general, I'm not sure I could stick with it.

[MisterJB]

I'm going to quote something from "World of Thedas Volume 2":

 

"Had Corypheus reached the Fade with his dragon, the mark and the orb, it is entirely possible that he would have had the strength of will to mantain himself and journey to the Black City to once again offend the will of the Maker. But he did not, because the Inquisitor, above all else, broke this "Elder One" of his own delusions. What we witnessed when Corypheus disappeared was not the swagger of a conqueror but the stumbling of a broken authority. In his first ascent, Corypheus was cast down by the Maker. perhaps, in his mind, making him worthy of such.In this second attempt, it was a mortal, the Inquisitor. Corypheus knew not the absolute certainty of arrogance; he was broken and surely knew doubt.

And it has been written that nothing that knows doubt can survive in the Fade."

 

The Fade is, by its very nature, endlessly complex, the raw matter upon which the world was built. And we are not simply talking about stepping into the Fade, which by itself has only happened thrice in humanity's history but of entering the very nexus of the universe and unravel its mysteries. We're not talking about something as simple as handing someone a key and telling him "Go open that door." and congratulations you are God.

 

As the quote above states, Corypheus required not only objects of great power but even a state of mind in order to even attempt what he wanted. Throwing an unknown factor like the Inquisitor into the matter would probably be akin to dropping an unknown substance in an precise alchemical potion. Who knows how it will afffect it?

[German Soldier]

 

As the quote above states, Corypheus required not only objects of great power but even a state of mind in order to even attempt what he wanted. Throwing an unknown factor like the Inquisitor into the matter would probably be akin to dropping an unknown substance in an precise alchemical potion. Who knows how it will afffect it?

Not sure how much credence i can give to those quotes which seem to be some chantry scholar preach rather than useful informations.

 I never heard about the necessity of don't possess doubts to survive in the fade in fact i think is untrue since Solas is someone which is full of doubts and he live  in the fade.

[German Soldier]

Corypheus actually went there to recover the Anchor. Unfortunately for him, he couldn't remove it.

 

He did not  need to remove it he could have just as easily mind controlled the Inquisitor by infecting her/him.

[Andromelek]

If they have to write a story meant to defeat Solas then i hope it is more credible.

Sure, if we get Valta, Yavana and Feynriel we could use their heavy artillery to wipe him out.

[Arvaarad]

I don't think there's much argument that Corypheus is stupid. He's clearly raving. We knew that from the first moment we met him in Legacy. 

 

What waking dream is this? His gods are worse than dead. They never existed, and in that city was corruption and blackness. As reward for his piety, he's infected with the Blight, a disease so foul that even the ancients feared it. The Blight brings titans low and is thought to be the cause behind Andruil's madness. Solas, Vivienne, and basically anyone with a shred of magic knowledge agrees that Corypheus is fooling himself if he thinks he has it under control. He's utterly unmoored. A feeble human man thrashing around in the dark for brief flashes of lucidity, for anything that will help him understand. In Inquisition, we openly use his grandstanding against him. If he wasn't the magical equivalent of a trust-fund kid, with the Blight + orb granting him far more raw power than the average mage, the Chantry (or, for that matter, the Wardens) would have squashed him like a bug.

 

Does that make him any less a villain? Look around us. Open up the news. Now tell me, which is more terrifying:

 

Someone who genuinely tries to rule the world? Or a frightened idiot with more power than they know what to do with?

[straykat]

I don't think there's much argument that Corypheus is stupid. He's clearly raving. We knew that from the first moment we met him in Legacy. 

 

What waking dream is this? His gods are worse than dead. They never existed, and in that city was corruption and blackness. As reward for his piety, he's infected with the Blight, a disease so foul that even the ancients feared it. The Blight brings titans low and is thought to be the cause behind Andruil's madness. Solas, Vivienne, and basically anyone with a shred of magic knowledge agrees that Corypheus is fooling himself if he thinks he has it under control. He's utterly unmoored. A feeble human man thrashing around in the dark for brief flashes of lucidity, for anything that will help him understand. In Inquisition, we openly use his grandstanding against him. If he wasn't the magical equivalent of a trust-fund kid, with the Blight + orb granting him far more raw power than the average mage, the Chantry (or, for that matter, the Wardens) would have squashed him like a bug.

 

Does that make him any less a villain? Look around us. Open up the news. Now tell me, which is more terrifying:

 

Someone who genuinely tries to rule the world? Or a frightened idiot with more power than they know what to do with?

 

I thought they meant stupid... as in, a stupid concept.. I think the whole faith angle could have been interesting, in theory. So could the Inquisitor. But both of them are bad. And made worse because the story lacks any personal angle, to make faith a more poignant subject. No one is going to care as much when done this way.

 

Is he stupid, as in mentally deficient? I don't really think of it that way. He's par for the course. And mostly just a vehicle to hurl these various plots and forces at us.. because they couldn't come up with a better binding crisis. I guess he's smart for getting all of these balls rolling. But they had a better global plot in the Mage/Templar war.

[Seraphim24]

You just realized this?

 

AHAHAHhahaha oh..........................

[Seraphim24]

Someone who genuinely tries to rule the world? Or a frightened idiot with more power than they know what to do with?

 

Because it's impossible to have something else entirely?

[Patricia08]

Isn't that the case with every villain in existence? They must do something wrong somewhere for the protagonist to beat them, or else the protagonist would be able to beat them regardless of the villain's qualities which would make the hero just plain stronger, and that's not very interesting.

 

Yes so true.

[Seraphim24]

I don't understand why it's not interesting if the hero is stronger than the "villain?"

[Aren]

He might be stupid, but he is so dreamy



Sorry, couldn't resist....
Cory is just as limited as any classic "evil overlord" trope, imho, but we all know who the real villain of the game is, so...

He was better looking before to reach the black city

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[Reznore57]

I don't think there's much argument that Corypheus is stupid. He's clearly raving. We knew that from the first moment we met him in Legacy. 

 

What waking dream is this? His gods are worse than dead. They never existed, and in that city was corruption and blackness. As reward for his piety, he's infected with the Blight, a disease so foul that even the ancients feared it. The Blight brings titans low and is thought to be the cause behind Andruil's madness. Solas, Vivienne, and basically anyone with a shred of magic knowledge agrees that Corypheus is fooling himself if he thinks he has it under control. He's utterly unmoored. A feeble human man thrashing around in the dark for brief flashes of lucidity, for anything that will help him understand. In Inquisition, we openly use his grandstanding against him. If he wasn't the magical equivalent of a trust-fund kid, with the Blight + orb granting him far more raw power than the average mage, the Chantry (or, for that matter, the Wardens) would have squashed him like a bug.

 

Does that make him any less a villain? Look around us. Open up the news. Now tell me, which is more terrifying:

 

Someone who genuinely tries to rule the world? Or a frightened idiot with more power than they know what to do with?

 

Problem with Cory is ...he is the first magister who entered the Golden City we've met.(well there is the Architect but lost his mind too )

There is a shift between the 5 minutes we met Cory in Legacy and the Cory we got in DAI.

In Legacy he sort of come to his sense after the trauma of the Golden City , so he says Dumat and co promised the "Golden Light" the powers of the Gods themselves.He then reveals there wasn't any Golden Light just darkness , and his last word was all about getting the "Light".

 

Now we're in DAI , and the only thing we get is "I'll get into the Golden City , make myself a God , because there is no Gods and we can't have that."

Well excuse me Corypheus , but let's all agree what you seek is not the Blight that's currently everywhere in that city you want to go back to , but that "Light " thing.So could you , I don't know , give us a vague hints the city isn't 100% corrupted , that perhaps you saw a vague sign of something ...so you know you don't sound like a looney who wants to do the same exact thing and expect a different result just because.

Then excuse me again...but you said something baited you with the "powers of the Gods" you thought those voices were your God talking to you.(you and it seems at least 6 other people ) so maybe , just maybe you'd want to figure that out?

If someone trolled me like that and made me corrupted and made me unleash an apocalypse that also turned my gods corrupted...I sort of really really would want to know what happened , and strangle  those responsible.

 

But we can't have that , and Cory just wants to get back to that City without any reflection on his part about what happened in the past.

This is not very good for an interesting character.

[Aren]

 

 

If someone trolled me like that and made me corrupted and made me unleash an apocalypse that also turned my gods corrupted...I sort of really really would want to know what happened , and strangle  those responsible.

 

But we can't have that , and Cory just wants to get back to that City without any reflection on his part about what happened in the past.

This is not very good for an interesting character.

A genius of evil at first i thought it was the Dread wolf who tricked the magisters to kill the other imprisoned gods and rule alone over the world,then Solas happened and my theory was disrupted.

[fhs33721]

But we can't have that , and Cory just wants to get back to that City without any reflection on his part about what happened in the past.

This is not very good for an interesting character.

You mean the past where his first visit to the black city literally granted him complete immortality? Because that is some considerable gain in power no matter how you look at it.

[Addictress]

Problem with Cory is ...he is the first magister who entered the Golden City we've met.(well there is the Architect but lost his mind too )

There is a shift between the 5 minutes we met Cory in Legacy and the Cory we got in DAI.

In Legacy he sort of come to his sense after the trauma of the Golden City , so he says Dumat and co promised the "Golden Light" the powers of the Gods themselves.He then reveals there wasn't any Golden Light just darkness , and his last word was all about getting the "Light".

 

Now we're in DAI , and the only thing we get is "I'll get into the Golden City , make myself a God , because there is no Gods and we can't have that."

Well excuse me Corypheus , but let's all agree what you seek is not the Blight that's currently everywhere in that city you want to go back to , but that "Light " thing.So could you , I don't know , give us a vague hints the city isn't 100% corrupted , that perhaps you saw a vague sign of something ...so you know you don't sound like a looney who wants to do the same exact thing and expect a different result just because.

Then excuse me again...but you said something baited you with the "powers of the Gods" you thought those voices were your God talking to you.(you and it seems at least 6 other people ) so maybe , just maybe you'd want to figure that out?

If someone trolled me like that and made me corrupted and made me unleash an apocalypse that also turned my gods corrupted...I sort of really really would want to know what happened , and strangle  those responsible.

 

But we can't have that , and Cory just wants to get back to that City without any reflection on his part about what happened in the past.

This is not very good for an interesting character.

[Iakus]

I wonder if the Architect and Corypheus can infect people with the taint on their own as in without using darkspawn or the taint in some other form. The Architect's henchwomen were visually-implied to be tainted but I do not think we have confirmation that the taint came from the Architect and not from exposure to the darkspawn or tainted sources such as food or areas- and I just realised what dirty things "the taint came from the Architect" can imply.  
 

Depends on how the taint affected them, I guess.

 

I mean are they truly darkspawn, or are they tainted humans, and their deformed appearance a result of long-term lyrium usage?

[Aliceeverafter]

Good point. Would the anchor work if the hand was chopped off? A couple of characters say they're going to chop the hand off to give to Cory (Florienne and Calpernia). Surely the anchor is driven by proximity to the rifts or veil, rather than the Inquisitor making anything happen.

 

And if Cory had just killed the Inquisitor without all that talking at Haven, he'd have won anyway. James Bond villain syndrome

Mind you half his head is a lump of red lyrium so while it may be alive it's probably not in the top drawer for smarts.

[CoM Solaufein]

Most villains are, because after all, good triumphs over evil.