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[Vazgen]

So I was interested, who would you have recruited in Shepard's place? The mission is to go past the Omega 4 relay and investigate or destroy Collectors. Based on the dossiers only, without knowing who is who *cough* Garrus *cough*

 

Here is a link to the dossiers: Link

 

My team would be as follows:

 

Tali - tech expert, engineer also in charge of ship's drive core performance

 

Samara - biotics expert

 

Kasumi - infiltrator, initial reconnaissance

 

Okeer - tactical assessment of the enemy, familiarity with the technology

 

Archangel - sniper

 

Zaeed - combat and demolitions expert

 

Miranda - second in command, notable biotic and tech abilities

 

Jacob - weapons expert, procurement specialist

[MrFob]

Hmmmm, as I usually do in the game, I would definitely get all of them I'd get more people if I could). We are going into a complete unknown situation. Really, there could be anything behind the Omega 4 relay, a base, a world, super hazardous conditions, only the collectors can survive (actually one of the more likely scenarios) or a whole colony of abducted races from this and the last cycle.

 

So, I got no idea who I'm gonna need. Is it

- A Tech expert?

- An Infiltration Expert? (I'll take the Assassin as well, better two than one)

- An Engineer?

- A Biologist/Medic?

- A Biotic? (I'll take two of those as well, better than one)

- A Sniper?

- A Robot?

- A Veteran Merc/soldier?

 

All plausible IMO. I don't see how we can afford to leave any of them out of the team. I'll also definitely go get the guy who already had dealings with the collectors, if just for possible intel (couldn't know ahead of time that I'll end up with a tank grown krogan supersoldier but I'll take him, too). Miranda is not on the list because she is put on you by TIM from the start. As you say, I don't mind having a capable second in command though.

 

If anything, I'd also like:

- A Diplomat/Negotiator/ Linguist (unlikely that we need one but you never know)

- A Psychologist (Well, we got Kelly, though she's weird)

- After what we learn on the collector ship, I'd like a Prothean Expert (thanks for not joining, Liara)

- A VI- remote controlled recon drone (Ideally space worthy, so that we can send it ahead of us into the Omega 4 Relay

- An Astrophysics expert (who knows which phenomenons to expect in the center of the galaxy)

- A professional pilot/driver (we might need the Hammerhead/Kodiak)

- A fleet and a ground army standing by (though I get taht this is not really an option, although, actually why not? Cerberus seems to have all those resources 6 months later despite the fact that they get kicked in the quad big time between ME2 and 3.)

 

and if you give me a few days, I am sure I could come up with at least another 10 people.

[RedCaesar97]

Hmmm.... 

 

1. Okeer and Mordin for sure, because we need crazy scientists onboard the Normandy to deal with the Seeker Swarms and goodness knows what else. (And yes, "Krogan scientist" is a bit of a misnomer, but if Okeer does not help with tech or biological enhancements, he is Krogan so likely super weapons is right up his alley).

 

2. We will also likely need some good soldiers for a strike unit. So Jacob, Zaeed, and Archangel all have extensive military and/or mercenary experience.

 

3. Tali, because we need a tech expert.

 

4. Miranda to handle logistics and equipment procurement, second-in-command due to extensive (and apparently adequate) leadership experience.

 

So right now, I got:

 - Mordin

 - Okeer

 - Jacob

 - Zaeed

 - Archangel

 - Tali

 - Miranda

 

That means Samara, Jack, and Thane, Kasumi (and Legion) are off the list.

 

I was considering Thane for infiltration, but he does not seem all that good for the mission. You could consider him for infiltration I suppose, but Shepard is assembling a strike force. As an assassin, Thane is a lone wolf, and assassinations tend to require a lot more intel and planning than what Shepard will have to attack the Collector Base.

[Vazgen]

Makes me wonder if we could've gotten Okeer as a squadmate...

 

Interesting choices so far.

 

@RedCaesar, I see you have almost omitted biotics from the list. As per your explanation, I would expect Samara to replace Jacob as she has extensive weapons training and huge biotic potential.

 

@MrFob - when I play ME2, I usually refrain from recruiting some squadmates or doing some missions. The only time I've done a completionist run was the first one

[themikefest]

Can I choose any character from ME2?

[Vazgen]

Yeah, though if you choose non-squadmates, this won't transfer well to the actual gameplay. Go ahead though, would love to hear your ideas as well

[themikefest]

Jedore

Miranda

Zaeed

Samara

Mordin - not as a squadmate, but just for the countermeasure against the swarm

space hamster

Garm

Kal'Reegar

Captain Gavorn

[RedCaesar97]

@RedCaesar, I see you have almost omitted biotics from the list. As per your explanation, I would expect Samara to replace Jacob as she has extensive weapons training and huge biotic potential.

 

You are talking about the ideal team I would choose to tackle taking on the Collectors using only the dossiers. I do not know why I would need a biotic 'specialist'. Also, Samara -- as a Justicar -- is essentally a warrior monk. She travels mostly alone and so is not used to fighting in small groups. Now we know later from talking with her that she used to be in a merc band, but that was hundreds of years ago. 

 

You can call our squad a task force, but in reality it is a small strike force. We are essentially building a small special forces unit designed for quick tactical strikes. That requires teamwork. So my priority is on gathering together members that are used to fighting as part of teams or groups. Hence my preference for Jacob, Garrus, and Zaeed. 

 

I do recognize the need for specialists, but 'biotic specialist' is not something I see as particularly useful. Rather, I feel the need for tech, medical, and scientific expertise. That is why I prefer Tali, Mordin, and Okeer. Basically, I feel as if I will need hacking and engineering expertise and medical and scientific expertise for the assault itself. I need to counteract the seeker swarms, bypass Collector security, and gain whatever other tech and medical/scientific advantage I can get prior to the assault. (As a bonus, Tali has worked with their military as part of a unit, and Mordin has worked with the STG in the past with some combat experience as a bonus. Okeer is a Warlord indicating his fighting proficiency among the Krogan, which is also nice.)

 

 

Now, we know from the Suicide Mission itself that we need a biotic 'specialist' to hold the biotic bubble, but we do not know that beforehand, so I do not see the need for a biotic 'specialist' going into it. If I had to choose a biotic specialist and had to choose only of either Samara or Jack, I would take the centuries-old warrior monk over the criminal.

 

 

Miranda is the only one that does not fit on either list, but considering the Illusive Man sticks her on your team anyway makes that point moot. That being said, the Illusive Man thinks highly of her leadership skills and she was shown to have run a large (and successful Cerberus) project. That makes her an ideal second in command. Shepard can handle the strategy, tactics, and training, while Miranda can handle most of the other mission requirements and personnel. 

 

 

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That explanation took longer than I wanted to.

[MichaelN7]

You are talking about the ideal team I would choose to tackle taking on the Collectors using only the dossiers. I do not know why I would need a biotic 'specialist'. Also, Samara -- as a Justicar -- is essentally a warrior monk. She travels mostly alone and so is not used to fighting in small groups. Now we know later from talking with her that she used to be in a merc band, but that was hundreds of years ago. 

 

You can call our squad a task force, but in reality it is a small strike force. We are essentially building a small special forces unit designed for quick tactical strikes. That requires teamwork. So my priority is on gathering together members that are used to fighting as part of teams or groups. Hence my preference for Jacob, Garrus, and Zaeed. 

 

I do recognize the need for specialists, but 'biotic specialist' is not something I see as particularly useful. Rather, I feel the need for tech, medical, and scientific expertise. That is why I prefer Tali, Mordin, and Okeer. Basically, I feel as if I will need hacking and engineering expertise and medical and scientific expertise for the assault itself. I need to counteract the seeker swarms, bypass Collector security, and gain whatever other tech and medical/scientific advantage I can get prior to the assault. (As a bonus, Tali has worked with their military as part of a unit, and Mordin has worked with the STG in the past with some combat experience as a bonus. Okeer is a Warlord indicating his fighting proficiency among the Krogan, which is also nice.)

 

 

Now, we know from the Suicide Mission itself that we need a biotic 'specialist' to hold the biotic bubble, but we do not know that beforehand, so I do not see the need for a biotic 'specialist' going into it. If I had to choose a biotic specialist and had to choose only of either Samara or Jack, I would take the centuries-old warrior monk over the criminal.

 

 

Miranda is the only one that does not fit on either list, but considering the Illusive Man sticks her on your team anyway makes that point moot. That being said, the Illusive Man thinks highly of her leadership skills and she was shown to have run a large (and successful Cerberus) project. That makes her an ideal second in command. Shepard can handle the strategy, tactics, and training, while Miranda can handle most of the other mission requirements and personnel. 

 

 

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That explanation took longer than I wanted to.

 

I know that's a long quote, but the *snip*-thing is rude, so I simply made the text smaller so it would fit better.

 

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You could also look at their power-sets to discern the kinds of skills and know-how each member brings.

 

 

Miranda has the means to counter every kind of threat, regardless of it's defenses, and her passive benefits the whole team's health and weapon damage.

 

Tali has extensive knowledge and experience with everything tech, especially with systems with a high likelyhood of going hostile.  Her drone pulls double-duty as extra squadmate and mini-tanking bullet-sponge.

 

Garrus has excellent marksmanship and is ideal for punching a hole in heavily-entrenched enemy positions, but is intelligent and prepared enough to respond to threats "outside the box".  This is reflected in his Armor-Piercing ammo augmenting the already substantial damage bonus to armor that sniper rifles have, but he also has Overload and Concussive Shot to deal with shields and barriers.

He's worked with a team before, and was effective enough to ****** off the Mass Effect's psuedo-equivalents of the Mafia, Yakuza, and Isis. (broad generalization, yes, but you get the idea).

Not only that, but he was also able to hold his own BY HIMSELF for a much longer duration than anyone expected.  Yes, without Shepard, he would have eventually succumbed, but considering that when you get there, he's basically fine... that's very impressive.

 

Samara has the "basic" biotic abilities, but once you get her loyalty power (Reave), she becomes much more powerful in that department.  Add in that she can use assault rifles and SMG's, her remark "I will need many bullets" in persuading the Krogan to play nice can be taken quite literally.

Additionally, the fact that she has spent CENTURIES honing her biotic abilities and hunting the equivalent of a biotic vampire, there's no wonder she's a good choice to hold the biotic dome during that final walk.

 

I could go on, but the "powers that be" (pun semi-intended) say a lot regarding what each character can do.

[RedCaesar97]

You could also look at their power-sets to discern the kinds of skills and know-how each member brings.

 

 

As stated previously, I am going with the idea of the original post, which is to base your squad on their dossiers only. We also know a few other things based on limited in-game time with the Illusive Man and brief gameplay/conversations with Jacob and Miranda before getting the dossiers.

 

From the original post (emphasis added):

 

So I was interested, who would you have recruited in Shepard's place? The mission is to go past the Omega 4 relay and investigate or destroy Collectors. Based on the dossiers only, without knowing who is who *cough* Garrus *cough*

 

Here is a link to the dossiers: Link

[themikefest]

If using only the dossiers, I would pick

 

Jacob, Miranda, Garrus, Zaeed, Samara, Mordin( not as a squadmate, but for his countermeasure)

[Vazgen]

Good point about the seeker swarms - Mordin is pretty much mandatory in this regard. I can see your point about biotics and not knowing that a specialist will be needed. I was going off the in-universe power of biotics - having one as powerful as Samara on the team can shift the odds of an otherwise hopeless fight against superior enemy numbers. So if my strike force is in a difficult situation, like being surrounded, a biotic specialist can help to break the enemy lines. In my team, much relies on Samara, actually. Both on her biotics and weapon expertise.

@Mike, why no tech experts on the team?

[RedCaesar97]

For the record, here are the available dossiers as given to you in-game according to the Mass Effect wikia. (My poor laptop/weak Internet connection cannot handle the Mass Effect wikia very well; I basically clicked all the dossier links and let them load while I was at work all day. I made my original post based on my memory which turned out to be consistent with what I thought they contained.)

 

Note that this is what is given in-game. In universe, they may have more information than what is presented to the player. For example, Samara's dossier does not mention her mercenary past to the player, but it may contain more information that Shepard (not the player) may see. 

 

Dr. Okeer

• Millennia of combat and strategic experience
• Rumored familiarity with Collector technology

A brilliant and brutal krogan warlord who fought in the Krogan Rebellions, Dr. Okeer has become obsessed with saving the krogan people from the genophage and is believed to have contacted the Collectors in an attempt to gain technology to that end. He is currently in a Blue Suns camp on Korlus, though the nature of his relationship with the mercenary group is unknown.

 

Archangel

• Small-unit tactical expertise
• Omni-tool expert and noted sniper

Archangel is a mercenary commander whose operations are noted for their technical expertise and strategic brilliance. He is responsible for high-profile attacks on gang leaders on Omega and can likely be found there.

 

 

Tali'Zorah vas Neema

• Expert in combat tech, systems hacking
• Strong engineering background, familiar with Normandy

Formerly listed as Tali'Zorah nar Rayya, the quarian engineer earned her adult name after helping Shepard defeat Saren two years ago. Tali is currently on a classified assignment for the Migrant Fleet Admiralty Board on Haestrom, deep in geth-controlled space.

 

 

Thane Krios

• Quick-kill biotic specialist
• Expert sniper

Thane Krios is a drell trained from childhood as an elite assassin, proficient in both long-range sniping kills and close infiltration. He has slowed his activities in recent years but is rumored to have a target on Illium.

 

 

Jack (no last name known)

• Exceptional biotic ability
• Note: Criminal background, currently in custody

Jack is rumored to be the most powerful human biotic ever encountered. Very little additional data regarding Jack is available, except that the subject has a history of violence and should be approached carefully. Currently, Jack is being held on the turian prison ship Purgatory. Cerberus has negotiated for the prisoner's release.

 

 

Justicar Samara

• Biotics strength near that of an asari matriarch
• Extensive weapons training

Samara is a justicar, a rare member of an asari monastic group trained in enhanced combat biotics alongside standard weapons. Samara was recently sighted on Illium, outside normal asari space.

 

 

Kasumi Goto

• Master of stealth and infiltration
• Skilled hacker and information specialist
• Operates completely off the grid
• No criminal record

Kasumi Goto is not the most famous thief in the galaxy -- she's the best. Trained in the arts of stealth and infiltration, she has "acquired" artifacts and information from all over the galaxy and yet maintains a completely clean criminal record. She is awaiting rendezvous with Shepard on the Citadel, in Zakera Ward.

 

 

Dr. Mordin Solus

• Biological weapons expert
• Light weapons training with Salarian Special Tasks Group

Dr. Mordin Solus is a salarian biological weapons expert whose technology may hold the key to countering Collector attacks. He is currently operating a medical clinic in the slums of Omega.

 

 

Zaeed Massani

• Expert in both personal and small unit combat
• Unparalleled mercenary soldier and bounty hunter
• Known for a willingness to get the job done, no matter the cost

Zaeed Massani is, without a doubt, the most feared mercenary and bounty hunter in the galaxy. His services have been retained by Cerberus at extremely high cost. He is currently awaiting pickup on Omega.

[themikefest]

@Mike, why no tech experts on the team?

So I did.

 

Lets see. I give the geth to Cerberus to study. So it won't be on the team. Kasumi is a thief. Unless I need something stolen, I don't need a thief. I guess that leaves Tali

[iM3GTR]

An army of 1 million people and a navy of a few fleets just in case the "Collector homeworld" turns out to be an actual homeworld full of a couple billion Collectors.

Or just around 30 ships to annihilate the only ship the Collectors actually have.

[Vazgen]

An army of 1 million people and a navy of a few fleets just in case the "Collector homeworld" turns out to be an actual homeworld full of a couple billion Collectors.

Or just around 30 ships to annihilate the only ship the Collectors actually have.

Come on, you only need one guy Haven't you seen the Battleground Earth?

 

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