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[serviteur de femto]

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And I find it unfair that only you girls, get to have a qunari romance, not that cassandra and josephine are not adorable and good romance, I just really hope we will get the chance to romance a female qunari or dwarf in the next dragon age (Come on Bioware...)

 

And still, I think its a bit of a shame that in the male department, the only non qunari who is interested in a female qunari is blackwall.

 

Female qunari and female dwarf needs love too, are you aware of that? 

 

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[Andraste_Reborn]

And I find it unfair that only you girls, get to have a qunari romance

 

It's not only us girls - the Iron Bull is available to all, regardless of race or gender!

 

However, I do agree that it would be nice to see a romanceable female qunari in the future. And a dwarf of any kind.

[serviteur de femto]

Yeah I know Iron bull is available to everyone, maybe I should have said it differently, I just wanted to say girls are the only one who can get  straight qunari romance from their perspective, I was going to write it but I thought it was too specific

 

Ijust think female character of different body type should have their chance since most of the video game industry mostly does one type for them (never muscled or chubby, average size) And let's say I am more than open to see different body types for female in other bioware games :

 

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Cassandra was a good start in offering variety, but I think the next step should be a female dwarf or female qunari as a romance, an amazonian beauty would be a good thing: http://tvtropes.org/...AmazonianBeauty

 

I rarely agrees with Sera, but on the topic of female qunari, HMMMMM

[Ghost Gal]

Yeah, I'm personally a little uncomfortable that while female players get a fairly even mix of male human and non-human LIs (Alistair and Zevran for DAO, Anders and Fenris in DA2, then Blackwall and Bull, later Cullen and Solas in DAI), just about ALL female DA love interests for men have been bodacious human women plus one skinny elf (Morri and Leli in DAO, Isabela and Merrill in DA2, then Cass and Josie in DAI). It kind of gives this unfortunate implication that BW assumes women aren't attractive or worthwhile to men unless they look like real-world swimsuit models--no shorties, fatties, or giant muscled man-women allowed. I know Cassandra kind of breaks the mold because she's really tough and muscular and scarred, but you get my point.

 

Considering how popular each dwarven companion has been since Oghren--Sigrun, Varric, and Harding all being fan-favorites that people have begged to romance, I think it's time BioWare recognizes that people can and do find dwarves attractive despite/because of being short and stout.

 

And Qunari women? Hello! I don't particularly like Sera, but I definitely agree with her regarding Qunari women: woof.

[YourFunnyUncle]

I'd love to see more variety of  LIs, but given all the "Cass looks like a man!" and "Josie is ugly!" comments that we saw here, I shudder to think what would happen if there wasn't at least one "bodacious human woman" as an LI for people incapable RPing as anything other than a straight man. 

[serviteur de femto]

Ghost gal

 

Actually I think its more bioware being affraid of shocking his audience rather than them considering these womens are not attractive, there is no need to go for bearded woman too, just a chance to see different body type. IF they want, they can keep the large breast for most women (Ok I admit that is more my personal tastes) but muscles or fat can always be sexy with a feminine face.

 

She-hulk is considered attractive and she has huge biceps : 

 

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Same for wonder woman :

 

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So Bioware learn this, I am a man, I am very straight, and I am no way intimidated or repulsed by tall, muscular or chubby women. I love them just as much as the thin or the small one, Let it be known.

 

 

 

Yourfunnyuncle

 

Personnally I think if they have to make 3 NEW female romance, here would be the pattern. 

 

1. A classical  human women to not scare  most of the gamers who only plays it once and would be their obvious choice.

 

2. A qunari woman, and I would love if she was a tal vashoth who rejects the qun like my Inquisitor did

 

3. And making Harding a full romance from them on for the first dwarf romance.

 

And make them all bissexual to make sure everybody gets more option. 

[Qun00]

I'd love to see more variety of LIs, but given all the "Cass looks like a man!" and "Josie is ugly!" comments that we saw here, I shudder to think what would happen if there wasn't at least one "bodacious human woman" as an LI for people incapable RPing as anything other than a straight man.

Judgmental, aren't we? It goes both ways. We all know why Cullen and Alistair are popular.

And self-inserting is fairly common among players. Women are more inclined to play as women. Gay people won't miss the chance to play a gay character if possible. Evil straight people often play straight characters.

But leave it to the current generation to turn such a trivial thing into very, very serious business.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Judgmental, aren't we? It goes both ways. We all know why Cullen and Alistair are popular.

And self-inserting is fairly common among players. Women are more inclined to play as women. Gay people won't miss the chance to play a gay character if possible. Evil straight people often play straight characters.

But leave it to the current generation to turn such a trivial thing into very, very serious business.

Er... What?

[serviteur de femto]

Well I don't think cassandra is ugly and same for josephine, they are both beautiful, they just have a different style than a morrigan or a miranda lawson.

 

I think the real reason why cullen and allistair are popular is more than their apperance, sure they are good looking and that is helping but I think their adorkable personality is what really makes them popular.

[Qun00]

Er... What?

My apologies. I didn't mean to interrupt the social commentary.

[YourFunnyUncle]

My apologies. I didn't mean to interrupt the social commentary.

I think you misunderstood me.  I'm not saying that there shouldn't be romances for straight male characters, or that it's not OK to only RP as your orientation (although I think you miss out if you do.) Just that given the whinging we got about Cass and Josie, who were attractive, slim women who happened to have some features that didn't live up to the standards of some idealised model, if you strayed further from that and didn't include at least someone to appease them, those people would lose it.

[serviteur de femto]

I can understand why some guy would not find cassandra attractive even if I think she is (I would blame society and advertisiment for not preparing man enough that there exists other types of physical beauty than the type of  miranda or morrigan but that is an other subjects),

 

I still wonder why they complain about Josephine, I mean she is pretty much the equivalent of a princess, long hair, nice dress, behavior of a proper lady etc..

[CuriousArtemis]

I still wonder why they complain about Josephine, I mean she is pretty much the equivalent of a princess, long hair, nice dress, behavior of a proper lady etc..

 

Josie... Well, she has that perpetually open mouth thing that REALLY bugs me and I can't even explain why?! And her outfit... *shudders* Nah I could never romance Josie; I cannot even talk to her anymore because she just gets on my nerves... something about her voice/accent? And I know her VA speaks fluent Italian so I don't even know. And personality wise I find her quite boring...

 

However "UGLY"? Nope, no, no way, no how, definitely not; she's as pretty as any Dragon Age romanceable lady ever is. 

 

One thing I hope they learned with this game is that restrictions just upset people; they don't make anyone's gameplay experience "better." So straight female PCs getting two extra romances and qunari and dwarves being restricted from certain romances... that was just a mistake. There were a few other mistakes (like yet another promiscuous bisexual option, sigh) but maybe by Dragon Age 12 they'll get it right

[serviteur de femto]

I see, the tastes of everyone for each romance I guess, (I say that because I LOVE Josephine).

 

But you are right on the racial restrictions, Cullen should not be restricted to human or elf, It maybe have something to do with limited time that bioware had to finsh the game but whatever, I likecullen but he reject sexy woman who are taller or smaller than him 

 

On the other hand Solas needed to be elf only romance considering is secret identity.

[CuriousArtemis]

On the other hand Solas needed to be elf only romance considering is secret identity.

 

I disagree; no reason he couldn't fall in love with a dwarf, qunari, or human. There's literally no reason, nothing in the character, his personality, history, nothing. As for the secret info about the Dalish he reveals to a romanced female elf, that should've been info available to any Dalish with high friendship. 

 

Also, even if someone can make the case for race restrictions on Solas (which I still don't buy), no reason he wasn't available to male elves. Nothing other than "we didn't have time" and "straight comes first" mentality, followed by the bizarre addendum of "we didn't want to make an evil bisexual." But you're fine with promiscuous bisexual guy and fabulous fashion-loving gay guy, okay 

 

Yeah it was totally all about time, and not to mention an initial miscalculation of who would be the most popular romances. IMO Solas romance saves an otherwise boring game with a confusing and lengthy narrative; too bad I had to get a mod to do it.

[Qun00]

I disagree; no reason he couldn't fall in love with a dwarf, qunari, or human. There's literally no reason, nothing in the character, his personality, history, nothing. As for the secret info about the Dalish he reveals to a romanced female elf, that should've been info available to any Dalish with high friendship.

Also, even if someone can make the case for race restrictions on Solas (which I still don't buy), no reason he wasn't available to male elves. Nothing other than "we didn't have time" and "straight comes first" mentality, followed by the bizarre addendum of "we didn't want to make an evil bisexual." But you're fine with promiscuous bisexual guy and fabulous fashion-loving gay guy, okay

Yeah it was totally all about time, and not to mention an initial miscalculation of who would be the most popular romances. IMO Solas romance saves an otherwise boring game with a confusing and lengthy narrative; too bad I had to get a mod to do it.

Really, nothing? The whole "modern people aren't real people" isn't a factor in this? It seems pretty natural that Solas would be more easily drawn to another elf.

Remember: His romance starts before reaching high friendship, so the fact that he can eventually acknowledge the value of any Inquisitor doesn't matter.

As for the idea that he "should" be bisexual, well... you might as well say there is no reason why Sera can't be attracted to men.

I see, the tastes of everyone for each romance I guess, (I say that because I LOVE Josephine).

But you are right on the racial restrictions, Cullen should not be restricted to human or elf, It maybe have something to do with limited time that bioware had to finsh the game but whatever, I likecullen but he reject sexy woman who are taller or smaller than him

On the other hand Solas needed to be elf only romance considering is secret identity.

That's how the world works. People do have preferences and that's fine.

[serviteur de femto]

I agree for the male restrictions, I would make every romance bissexual except for the one which their orientation is important to their story like Dorian, or their sexuality was present in a previous game like cullen or cassandra.

 

But for solas and blackwall yeah I would totally make them bissexual. restrictions is not good in most circumstances.

 

But i disagree with the most popular romance, Josephine is my favorite followed by cassandra.

[CuriousArtemis]

I agree for the male restrictions, I would make every romance bissexual except for the one which their orientation is important to their story like Dorian, or their sexuality was present in a previous game like cullen or cassandra.

 

But for solas and blackwall yeah I would totally make them bissexual. restrictions is not good in most circumstances.

 

But i disagree with the most popular romance, Josephine is my favorite followed by cassandra.

 

Dorian is the only one whose sexuality is part of his story, yeah.

 

As for Cass and Cullen, there's no proof that they were straight, other than: Cullen doesn't flirt with a male mage in DA:O and as for Cass, well, there's really nothing at all? She is even accused of crushing on male OR female Hawke in DA2 by Varric.

 

And sure, we're all allowed to have our favorites  My dislike of Josephine is anything but objective

[Qun00]

Dorian is the only one whose sexuality is part of his story, yeah.
 
As for Cass and Cullen, there's no proof that they were straight, other than: Cullen doesn't flirt with a male mage in DA:O and as for Cass, well, there's really nothing at all? She is even accused of crushing on male OR female Hawke in DA2 by Varric.
 
And sure, we're all allowed to have our favorites  My dislike of Josephine is anything but objective

Heterosexuality requires evidence, folks.

[serviteur de femto]

Well that is the point, cullen does not reciprocate feelings for a mage warden male.

 

For cassandra, varrick will only suspect she has a crush on hawke if he is male, not if hawke is a woman. 

 

Varrick suspect her of hero worshipping hawke if she is a female : 

 

and he will suspect that she has a crush only if he is a male. Its a subtle implications : 

 

Now you may think it does not matter but for many it will. I would not care if she would reciprocate feelings for a woman inquisitor but that kind of sign do not go unnoticed by fans and others would be bothered.

 

Still now that they can create new characters for the new games, they can just avoid making those implications and stop creating barriers to the player. Give more option to your customer Bioware, all bissexual romance please

[CuriousArtemis]

Now you may think it does not matter but for many it will. I would not care if she would reciprocate feelings for a woman inquisitor but that kind of sign do not go unnoticed by fans and others would be bothered.

 

Still now that they can create new characters for the new games, they can just avoid making those implications and stop creating barriers to the player. Give more option to your customer Bioware, all bissexual romance please

 

Oh okay, I was definitely wrong about Cass

 

Still, that's a pretty shoddy understanding of bisexuality. Cullen doesn't flirt with your guy? Must be straight then! Because everyone knows bisexuals will flirt with ANYONE and ANYTHING regardless of personal taste! (Actually, this does seem to be what BioWare thinks...). Varric assumes Cass is straight and not bi? Varric must be right then!

 

And totally agree with your last statement... of course! 

 

If every LI had been bi in DAI I would've truly enjoyed the game. I'd have canon Solas, Cullen, and Cass romances. As it is I'll have no canon romances :-/ Such a shame. DA2 remains my favorite game of the trilogy; I romanced everyone at least once, which has never happened in either of the other two games. 

[serviteur de femto]

I kinda see what you think about bissexuality but let's look at it :

 

Technically cullen will love the female warden regardless of her personality, but he will not if he is male. The difference between a mage male warden and a female mage warden is the physics and apparently he does not reciprocate if the warden is in the body of a male.

 

Now sure there might be possibilities that he could have discovered his bissexuality between DAO or DAI, or that he would be a bissexual with preference for female, etc.

 

But if we remember the controversy around Anders and his bissexuality in DA 2, even if it could be explain for a lot of reason like the fact that mention loving woman does not mean he cannot love a man too, and that the anders of DA 2 is not the anders of DAOA because of possession

 

But many people did not reacted well to that even with explanation, so that is a risky path for bioware.

 

And don't worry I am the first to not like it when there is stereotypes about bissexual people, I hate biphobia just as much as homophobia. I love the show buffy the vampire slayer, but the bissexual erasure the writer did with the character of willow... it did made me angry.

[stop_him]

Yeah, I'm personally a little uncomfortable that while female players get a fairly even mix of male human and non-human LIs (Alistair and Zevran for DAO, Anders and Fenris in DA2, then Blackwall and Bull, later Cullen and Solas in DAI), just about ALL female DA love interests for men have been bodacious human women plus one skinny elf (Morri and Leli in DAO, Isabela and Merrill in DA2, then Cass and Josie in DAI). It kind of gives this unfortunate implication that BW assumes women aren't attractive or worthwhile to men unless they look like real-world swimsuit models--no shorties, fatties, or giant muscled man-women allowed. I know Cassandra kind of breaks the mold because she's really tough and muscular and scarred, but you get my point.

 

Considering how popular each dwarven companion has been since Oghren--Sigrun, Varric, and Harding all being fan-favorites that people have begged to romance, I think it's time BioWare recognizes that people can and do find dwarves attractive despite/because of being short and stout.

 

And Qunari women? Hello! I don't particularly like Sera, but I definitely agree with her regarding Qunari women: woof.

 

Did you see the backlash in DAI?

 

DAO: Morrigan/Leliana & DA2: Isabella/Merril--all fairly conventionally attractive. DAI breaks the mold just slightly with Cass and Josie, and so many boys cried, "Cass looks like a man!  " or "Josephine is too ugly and her nose has a bump in it!  " 

 

Ugh. The bisexual pretty boy argument, again? I see no one clamors for Bisexual Blackwall. Hm? Why isn't anyone addressing his possible bisexuality? Ah, yes... not conventionally attractive enough  .

 

"Pretty boys just haven't the right dude" = Really means, "I wanted to bone them instead of Dorian."

 

I say take Solas, rewrite and let him fall for male Lavellan as a trade for Dorian any day. At least Dorian's a stand up guy, not a genocidal, bigoted douche. Might as well take Alistair too. That effing Dog is more loyal. 

[serviteur de femto]

Did you see the backlash in DAI?

 

DAO: Morrigan/Leliana & DA2: Isabella/Merril--all fairly conventionally attractive. DAI breaks the mold just slightly with Cass and Josie, and so many boys cried, "Cass looks like a man!  " or "Josephine is too ugly and her nose has a bump in it!  " 

 

Ugh. The bisexual pretty boy argument, again? I see no one clamors for Bisexual Blackwall. Hm? Why isn't anyone addressing his possible bisexuality? Ah, yes... not conventionally attractive enough  .

 

"Pretty boys just haven't the right dude" = Really means, "I wanted to bone them instead of Dorian."

 

I say take Solas, rewrite and let him fall for male Lavellan as a trade for Dorian any day. At least Dorian's a stand up guy, not a genocidal, bigoted douche. Might as well take Alistair too. That effing Dog is more loyal. 

 

Well I am a straight male I did the romance of blackwall and Solas as female and yep I think it would be good if both of them would be bissexual, remember that line I wrote before:

 

"But for solas AND BLACKWALL yeah I would totally make them bissexual. restrictions is not good in most circumstances."

 

So if blackwall or solas are bissexual, its not to my personal advantage, but I think it would be good if player wanted to seduce any of them as a male

[YourFunnyUncle]

Josie... Well, she has that perpetually open mouth thing that REALLY bugs me and I can't even explain why?! And her outfit... *shudders* Nah I could never romance Josie; I cannot even talk to her anymore because she just gets on my nerves... something about her voice/accent? And I know her VA speaks fluent Italian so I don't even know. And personality wise I find her quite boring...

I love Josie and think that Allegra Clark did a great job. There is one little thing that annoys me about her VA performance, though; despite being really well observed in every other way, she does that North American thing of pronouncing Ts as Ds in the middle of words, which always sounds totally wrong to my ear in an Italian accent.

 

 

"Mistress Poulin of Sarhnia is accused of aiding and abeDDing the Red Templars in the Dales.... The only ExtenuaDing circumstance..."

 

Still, it's way better than most of the "French" accents in-game. (Mother Giselle, I'm looking at you...)