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[Andromelek]

It has been in my mind for awhile, Titans are enormous beings, so big that I don't think they are close one of another, I've been thinking that if the lyrium veins on Haven are part of the Titan we met with Valta, then we could be on a HUGE problem, as Corypheus decided to play with an orb over there and corrupted the lyrium on the process, so, questions are:

How bad is a tainted Titan?

Is there any way to prevent the Red Lyrium from spread or even to heal it?

How long it would take to spread?

Are we going to need some iso-Grey Warden to handle it?

[Xerrai]

I don't think it is just that Titan that is screwed. I think ALL Titans are screwed.

 

With the Darkspawn practically corrupting anything underground, and with the knowledge that red lyrium was already corrupted, I don't think its a stretch to say that so long as the taint spreads and the Titans remain dormant (and essentially not able to do anything), then all Titans will eventually succumb to the taint.

 

Like dragons, Titans (like the one in the Decent DLC) seem to have a natural resistance to the blight. But they are not immune. Under enough contact, any Titan can become tainted. And unlike dragons, the Titans are by and large dormant, unable to move or act in a way that can reduce their risk. The ancient dwarves and their natural anti-taint systems cannot last forever if they remain like this.

[Dai Grepher]

If the lyrium under the Temple of Sacred Ashes is from a titan, then that is probably the titan that Mythal slayed. This could also be the lyrium mine we visited in Trespasser. The Temple of Sacred Ashes was built over the ruins of one of Mythal's temples. Or at least that is what was implied in the final battle.

As for how the lyrium under the temple became red, that was likely due to Corypheus turning it red for years ahead of the Conclave, in preparation for it perhaps.

Valta's titan is a little ways south of Highever. It is not close to the location where the Temple of Sacred ashes used to be. But close enough to feel the effects of the Breach.

The titans aren't screwed, but it seems they have all forgotten their memories, and now they do nothing but slumber, and perhaps grow as more dwarven souls "return" to them.

[myahele]

I am interesting in The Stone, since apparently The Stone created Titans ... and that The Stone lives beneath Orlais.

[In Exile]

We assume the darkspawn seek out an corrupt the imprisoned dragons we suspect to be old gods. I wager one of the reveals will be that the old gods - whatever they are - are red herrings for the Blight. The true thing they seek out and corrupt are the Titans - the Calling is a song of a particular Titan, directing them.

[Beerfish]

I still don't have a real clue what a titan is or does.  Yes I played the expansion but couldn't get a grasp on the thing(s)

[In Exile]

I still don't have a real clue what a titan is or does. Yes I played the expansion but couldn't get a grasp on the thing(s)

I think one if the things if does is anchor reality. As a living being, I think it makes things "real" by forcing them to take a definitive shape.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I still don't have a real clue what a titan is or does.  Yes I played the expansion but couldn't get a grasp on the thing(s)

 

This is a Titan from another game. Now imagine it made of stone, with lyrium for blood and being the size of Mt. Everest. You get the idea. They shape the earth via earthquakes, they are the Stone for the dwarves, perhaps the creators of the dwarves. they are intelligent beings that sleep for centuries and awaken only when something disturbs them. I suspect they are awakening now because some of their blood (lyrium) has been newly corrupted.

 

[Gileadan]

I still don't have a real clue what a titan is or does. Yes I played the expansion but couldn't get a grasp on the thing(s)

My impression was that it was a vague plot device meant to make the player go "zomfg epic!!!!" at the end of the Descent. Details will be made up by BioWare as they go along.

[Beerfish]

It seemed to be a like the Thorian from mass effect to me, not a giant vegetable, rock based but just a lump of something that was supposed to do something that i had to kill for some reason.

[thats1evildude]

It seemed to be a like the Thorian from mass effect to me, not a giant vegetable, rock based but just a lump of something that was supposed to do something that i had to kill for some reason.

 

You don't kill the Titan, just the Guardian protecting its heart.

 

I think it was sort of an automatic defence set up by the Titan and it attacked the Inquisitor specifically because of the Anchor. After all, the Titans and ancient elves were at war, and it may have sensed the Inquisitor wielded the latter's magic.

[Dai Grepher]

I am interesting in The Stone, since apparently The Stone created Titans ... and that The Stone lives beneath Orlais.

My theory is that magical energy comes through into the real world and manifests physically as lyrium underground. When enough lyrium forms, souls and perhaps spirits can go to it and become part of it. This creates a song. This is why the dwarves believe they return to the stone when they die. When enough souls enter a lyrium cluster, and once it grows enough, its collective consciousness can begin to affect the stone around it. Once this happens enough, the lyrium mass and the stone that it has control over can then be classified as a titan.

The lyrium is magical, but it can be used to create magic or deny it. I believe this is due to it being linked to both the Fade and the Real. So it can be used to enforce either one.

We assume the darkspawn seek out an corrupt the imprisoned dragons we suspect to be old gods. I wager one of the reveals will be that the old gods - whatever they are - are red herrings for the Blight. The true thing they seek out and corrupt are the Titans - the Calling is a song of a particular Titan, directing them.

Then why do the Wardens hear the old gods at the end of their life span? Why did the Architect seek out Urthemiel and attempt to break the song? It seems a little odd that a corrupted titan would let out a song that the darkspawn hear but do not go toward. Instead they go toward wherever the song tells them to dig. How does this corrupted titan know where the old gods are, and why does it care to corrupt them?

Also, how would this tie into the Black City, which is said to be the origin of the taint. Corypheus confirms that he and the others were tainted when they went to the Golden City.

I still don't have a real clue what a titan is or does.  Yes I played the expansion but couldn't get a grasp on the thing(s)

It is said that in the past the titans shook the earth and caused the elvhen temples to collapse or at least suffer damage. This could be literal, as in, they caused earthquakes. Or it could be metaphorical in that their song made the world more real, and thus counteracted elvhen magic, which resulted in their magic based constructions falling apart.

So one day Mythal and some others, probably Elgar'nan, went down into the earth and slayed a titan. Mythal is praised for it in one mural found in Trespasser. Any others involve may have been praised elsewhere. Anyway, Mythal slayed a titan, and it is implied that the elvhen, perhaps using the ancient dwarves as laborers, mined the titan's corpse for lyrium, which could be used to enhance magic. This is likely what made the evanuris more powerful.

At some point, someone sealed the Deeper Roads off because of fear of what might be unleashed. The one telling that story seems to be someone who is not evanuris, as he or she refers to them and calls them greedy.

So in the present era, the titans seem to all be dormant. Slumbering. It is implied that they were made this way, most likely by Mythal. She made them forget. So now they just sleep.

The Veil being torn by Corypheus stirred the nearest titan, located just south of Highever. That is the titan we visit in Descent. Valta theorizes that the Breach caused it to stir. My theory is that it perhaps recovered some memories. And now it wishes to commune with Valta, either because it is scared, lonely, or just wants to impart knowledge onto her.

As for what they are, they are lyrium, rock, and possibly many souls (mainly dwarven). It does have a consciousness.

they are intelligent beings that sleep for centuries and awaken only when something disturbs them. I suspect they are awakening now because some of their blood (lyrium) has been newly corrupted.

Valta theorizes that it was the Breach that stirred this one titan.

[IllustriousT]

I think Thedas is really on the planet Phaaze   - and the Fade is Aether - the place where the blight comes from is Dark Aether.

 

 

"Long ago, a cosmic object fell to our planet, Aether, exploding with great force. A rift was torn in time and space, and as strange power flowed over the world. Where once there was one Aether, there were now two. One of light...and one of shadow, each existing in its own dimension."

 

 

 Not really - but you have to admit the similarities. 

 

 

If Phazon, I mean Lyrium  is corrupted, it becomes Red phazon...I mean red Lyrium. 

[Andromelek]

We assume the darkspawn seek out an corrupt the imprisoned dragons we suspect to be old gods. I wager one of the reveals will be that the old gods - whatever they are - are red herrings for the Blight. The true thing they seek out and corrupt are the Titans - the Calling is a song of a particular Titan, directing them.

I don't know, I think Darkspawn fear the Rock Wraiths and the Sha-Brytol as they don't want to get close to the zones they control, so it doesn't seem as they would be trying hard to go through their defenses.

[thats1evildude]

There's a diary in The Descent belonging to a Warden who went on her Calling. It details her discovery of a massive pit filled with darkspawn corpses and other creatures. I think that was the Sha-Brytol's doing.

 

http://dragonage.wik...n_Ailsa's_Diary

 

Also, in Asunder, Cole says the song of the Old Gods is different than that of lyrium.

[Sifr]

Fun fact, we're told in World of Thedas Vol 2 that Kardol and his band of Legionnaires discovered (or rather fell into) a Darkspawn tunnel leading to one of the massive underground prisons that formerly housed an Old God, probably the one that belonged to Urthemiel given it's location and that there were seemingly recent darkspawn corpses located within.

 

The Archdemon prison is mentioned as having been located off of Heidrun Turning, presumably the section of the Deep Roads that leads to Heidrun Thaig. What's interesting is that this is the exact Thaig we venture through in Descent on the way down to the Titan, meaning the two locations are (relatively) close in terms of where they'd located in the Deep Roads.

[PsychoBlonde]

I think one if the things if does is anchor reality. As a living being, I think it makes things "real" by forcing them to take a definitive shape.

 

They're kind of the opposite principle of the formless creatures of the Fade.  Before Solas created the Veil, there was Sky and Stone.  Solas sealed away the Sky (the changeable spirits) from the Stone.

 

Solas mentions to Varric that he understands why dwarves don't dream--they're "like a cut off limb".  Perhaps because the Titans slumber since the Veil was created and the children of the Titans--the dwarves--are left to their own devices.  The Breach woke up that one Titan, after all.  Perhaps they cannot waken while cut off from the Fade, just as the spirits cannot take material form.

[In Exile]

They're kind of the opposite principle of the formless creatures of the Fade.  Before Solas created the Veil, there was Sky and Stone.  Solas sealed away the Sky (the changeable spirits) from the Stone.

 

Solas mentions to Varric that he understands why dwarves don't dream--they're "like a cut off limb".  Perhaps because the Titans slumber since the Veil was created and the children of the Titans--the dwarves--are left to their own devices.  The Breach woke up that one Titan, after all.  Perhaps they cannot waken while cut off from the Fade, just as the spirits cannot take material form.

 

Specifically, he said the "severed arm of a once mighty hero". Given what we see of the Titan, well... the dwarves are likely the equivalent of darkspawn for a blue lyrium titan.

[Ieldra]

My impression was that it was a vague plot device meant to make the player go "zomfg epic!!!!" at the end of the Descent. Details will be made up by BioWare as they go along.

Indeed so. Business as usual for Bioware: put a very vaguely-defined plot device into a story because it's supposedly cool or invokes certain themes, then make retcon after retcon to deal with the unintended consequences that inevitably arise when "this is cool, let's put it in" and "we really want this theme" are the dominating sentiments and nobody bothered to think things through in advance.

 

Granted, the DA team managed to wriggle out of these problems much better than the ME team, where the prevailing attitude appeared to be "who cares".

[Mistic]

Fun fact, we're told in World of Thedas Vol 2 that Kardol and his band of Legionnaires discovered (or rather fell into) a Darkspawn tunnel leading to one of the massive underground prisons that formerly housed an Old God, probably the one that belonged to Urthemiel given it's location and that there were seemingly recent darkspawn corpses located within.

 

The Archdemon prison is mentioned as having been located off of Heidrun Turning, presumably the section of the Deep Roads that leads to Heidrun Thaig. What's interesting is that this is the exact Thaig we venture through in Descent on the way down to the Titan, meaning the two locations are (relatively) close in terms of where they'd located in the Deep Roads.

 

If that's true, maybe there's a connection between the Old Gods and the Titans? After all, it's a bit strange for dragons, even magical godly dragons, to be underground.

 

That could add up to In Exile's theory about darkspawn seeking to corrupt Titans, not the Old Gods themselves. It's just that we don't see the connection yet. However, it wouldn't explain why after being corrupted an Archdemon takes the horde to the surface instead of digging deeper. By doing that, it would be protecting the Titan, not infecting it... unless that's the point? Questions, questions.

 

With a bit of luck, a future game set in Tevinter may explain more things about the Old Gods. In any case, the idea of a blighted Titan with red lyrium blood makes even Solas' threat level look childish in comparison.

[Patricia08]

This is a Titan from another game. Now imagine it made of stone, with lyrium for blood and being the size of Mt. Everest. You get the idea.  

 

 

I also had no idea what a Titan looked like but now i do impressive creatures

[Gervaise]

What I understood from Descent was that a live Titan doesn't attract darkspawn, it repels them, or its guardians do.   There were no darkspawn anywhere in the lower levels where the Titan was.   The lyrium there was different as well.   It flowed in streams, like real silver blood.  Normal lyrium is a crystalline substance (dried blood perhaps?)  It may be that it slumbers because it is cut off from the Fade, which is why it awoke with the Breach, or because Mythal did something with her magic that sent them all to sleep.   There is probably some link between the myth of Elgar'nan throwing down the sun and the Titans but nothing conclusive has been revealed.

 

The lyrium at the Temple of Sacred Ashes was corrupted by magic.   Solas says as much, although you can miss his throwaway comment at this point through focussing on Varric and Cassandra.   Essentially the huge magical explosion, coupled with the enormous amount of death, was probably the reason for its transformation.   This could also be the reason for the corruption of the Magisters: huge quantities of lyrium, coupled with a big blood sacrifice and then opening the Veil, releasing even more magic.   The backlash corrupted the lyrium, which in turn corrupted the Magister.  

 

Alternatively, opening the Veil allowed the Blight to be released from wherever it had originally been contained.   This would mean that the thing the elves were so frightened of that they collapsed the tunnels to trap it underground, was in fact red lyrium and the Blight that it caused.

 

The song of the Titans is the song of lyrium.   In Asunder the lyrium gives off a unbearably beautiful song but it is different from the song of the old gods.   However, that song could be the red lyrium containing their prisons, so it is not actually the archdemon singing but the rocks around them and the red lyrium is what turns them into archdemons, not the darkspawn breaking through.   If lyrium is the song of the Fade, creation and life, then red lyrium gives off the opposite, it is the song of the Void, corruption and death.

 

It may well be that the Titans either figure in Solas' plans to fight the Evanuris or they will be our means of stopping him.    It seems a bit too coincidental that we should discover about Titans in Descent and then the next release elaborates on the dealings that Mythal and the elves had with them.    May be freeing the Titans from whatever binds them/keeps them sleeping will be our key to stopping the Blights, rather than the Blight infected them, although I suppose it is possible that the source of the Blight was a corrupted Titan.   May be Mythal and the others didn't actually kill it but used magic to subdue it in some way and this changed it overtime.   I do think it was Mythal's actions that both freed the dwarves from the Titan's control but also stripped them of their magic.   I also think that the red lyrium idol was meant to be a depiction of Mythal, which also suggests she had something to do with the creation of red lyrium.

 

Final thought: Drakon's alleged vision of the end of the world had "Seventy time seven men of stone immense rose up from the earth like sleepers waking at the dawn, crossing the land with strides immeasurable, and in the hollows of their footprints paradise was stamped, indelible."    If this refers to the Titans, then it would seem that they are seen by the Maker (or whoever gave Drakon his vision) to be the good guys since it would seem they aid in creating the future paradise that grows out of the fires of chaos.   It is noticeable that if you do Descent before the end of the main game, Solas has very little to say for himself about the discovery.   A pretty good indicator that he probably knew a great deal and didn't dare say anything for fear of giving himself away.  Going by Drakon's vision, you would think the Maker wants Solas' plan to succeed.

[Mistic]

Final thought: Drakon's alleged vision of the end of the world had "Seventy time seven men of stone immense rose up from the earth like sleepers waking at the dawn, crossing the land with strides immeasurable, and in the hollows of their footprints paradise was stamped, indelible."    If this refers to the Titans, then it would seem that they are seen by the Maker (or whoever gave Drakon his vision) to be the good guys since it would seem they aid in creating the future paradise that grows out of the fires of chaos.

 

Drakon's vision? I think I must have missed it. Where can I find it?

[In Exile]

Indeed so. Business as usual for Bioware: put a very vaguely-defined plot device into a story because it's supposedly cool or invokes certain themes, then make retcon after retcon to deal with the unintended consequences that inevitably arise when "this is cool, let's put it in" and "we really want this theme" are the dominating sentiments and nobody bothered to think things through in advance.

Granted, the DA team managed to wriggle out of these problems much better than the ME team, where the prevailing attitude appeared to be "who cares".

What retcon of this nature comes to mind would you say?

[thats1evildude]

*snip*

 

I thought the Titans looked more like this.