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[German Soldier]

You don't kill the Titan, just the Guardian protecting its heart.

 

I think it was sort of an automatic defence set up by the Titan and it attacked the Inquisitor specifically because of the Anchor. After all, the Titans and ancient elves were at war, and it may have sensed the Inquisitor wielded the latter's magic.

I don't see why this description should be in any way true not every ancien eleves should have been in war with titans.

Titans were not in war with the Dread wolf and the anchor is not an instrument of  Evanuris.

[thats1evildude]

Do you know for a fact that Fen'Harel was not involved with the war on the Titans? Where did you get this information?

We know very little about that conflict except that the elves won and then mined the bodies of the Titans for lyrium and "something else." Solas was immortal and he was a member of the elven pantheon; conceivably he was involved in the war.

In any case, elven magic is elven magic. A smoke alarm doesn't distinguish between a grease fire and a lit match held right next to it. The Anchor is elven magic, so the Guardian attacked.

[Dai Grepher]

What I understood from Descent was that a live Titan doesn't attract darkspawn, it repels them, or its guardians do.   There were no darkspawn anywhere in the lower levels where the Titan was.   The lyrium there was different as well.   It flowed in streams, like real silver blood.

It did? Where?

Normal lyrium is a crystalline substance (dried blood perhaps?)  It may be that it slumbers because it is cut off from the Fade, which is why it awoke with the Breach, or because Mythal did something with her magic that sent them all to sleep.   There is probably some link between the myth of Elgar'nan throwing down the sun and the Titans but nothing conclusive has been revealed.

In Trespasser there is a Dalish children's poem where Mythal says something like, children of the stone, never yours the sun. Don't know how that might apply though.

The lyrium at the Temple of Sacred Ashes was corrupted by magic.   Solas says as much, although you can miss his throwaway comment at this point through focussing on Varric and Cassandra.   Essentially the huge magical explosion, coupled with the enormous amount of death, was probably the reason for its transformation.

Solas is probably just speculating. Either Corypheus corrupted it ahead of time, or his own energy being dispersed in the explosion corrupted it (Corypheus was already carrying red lyrium within his being).

This could also be the reason for the corruption of the Magisters: huge quantities of lyrium, coupled with a big blood sacrifice and then opening the Veil, releasing even more magic.   The backlash corrupted the lyrium, which in turn corrupted the Magister.

But red lyrium doesn't taint people. It turns them into red lyrium monsters. It also doesn't explain Corypheus claiming that he walked the halls of the Golden City or saw the throne/room of the gods.

Alternatively, opening the Veil allowed the Blight to be released from wherever it had originally been contained.   This would mean that the thing the elves were so frightened of that they collapsed the tunnels to trap it underground, was in fact red lyrium and the Blight that it caused.

That's a premature conclusion. First off, it's implied that the mines were collapsed before the Veil cut off the elvhen kingdoms. Second, the Magisters didn't go underground, they went into the Fade. I don't see how casting a spell on the Veil is anything like the evanuris digging deeper underground. I think the more likely explanation is that the evanuris either awoke a titan, or provoked the Forgotten Ones, whose domain was the Void. More likely the titans though.

The song of the Titans is the song of lyrium.

Is it? Or is the titan's consciousness different from just regular disconnected lyrium?

[Dai Grepher]

In Asunder the lyrium gives off a unbearably beautiful song but it is different from the song of the old gods. However, that song could be the red lyrium containing their prisons, so it is not actually the archdemon singing but the rocks around them and the red lyrium is what turns them into archdemons, not the darkspawn breaking through. If lyrium is the song of the Fade, creation and life, then red lyrium gives off the opposite, it is the song of the Void, corruption and death.

Why would the old gods be sealed around red lyrium?

Also, the Mother/Architect confirmed that he turned Urthemiel into an archdemon using Grey Warden blood. So it is the taint that changes them.

As for the titans, their songs probably counteract the song of the old gods. It drowns the other out. So maybe that is why the darkspawn stay away from titans, because they can't hear the song. But also the Sha-Brytol will kill them if they get to close.

It may well be that the Titans either figure in Solas' plans to fight the Evanuris or they will be our means of stopping him.

Valta's titan might be what helps Ferelden hold together if the Veil drops over it. The titan can make things real. Maybe it will keep the country from floating off into the sky.

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Hmm. Maybe this is why dwarves have a superstition about falling up into the sky. Without the stone (a titan) they float away in the Fade/sky.

It seems a bit too coincidental that we should discover about Titans in Descent and then the next release elaborates on the dealings that Mythal and the elves had with them. May be freeing the Titans from whatever binds them/keeps them sleeping will be our key to stopping the Blights, rather than the Blight infected them, although I suppose it is possible that the source of the Blight was a corrupted Titan.

I'm not sure we can conclude there is a corrupted titan at this point. It's possible that it is just clusters of lyrium that are corrupted. The Hero's cure will likely stop the Blights. Though moving the old gods to the titans might be the answer in throwing the darkspawn off their "scent". If the titan's song blocks the old gods' then the darkspawn might not be able to find them. This might also mean an all out assault on the surface.

May be Mythal and the others didn't actually kill it but used magic to subdue it in some way and this changed it overtime. I do think it was Mythal's actions that both freed the dwarves from the Titan's control but also stripped them of their magic. I also think that the red lyrium idol was meant to be a depiction of Mythal, which also suggests she had something to do with the creation of red lyrium.

I think it's more likely that the idol was blue lyrium when it was crafted, and then it was corrupted in some later era.

Final thought: Drakon's alleged vision of the end of the world had "Seventy time seven men of stone immense rose up from the earth like sleepers waking at the dawn, crossing the land with strides immeasurable, and in the hollows of their footprints paradise was stamped, indelible." If this refers to the Titans, then it would seem that they are seen by the Maker (or whoever gave Drakon his vision) to be the good guys since it would seem they aid in creating the future paradise that grows out of the fires of chaos.

But the vision states that they stamp paradise. But it's possible that dropping the Veil will cause the titans to awake and cause earthquakes.

It is noticeable that if you do Descent before the end of the main game, Solas has very little to say for himself about the discovery. A pretty good indicator that he probably knew a great deal and didn't dare say anything for fear of giving himself away. Going by Drakon's vision, you would think the Maker wants Solas' plan to succeed.

Don't see why, as it was the Maker who created the Veil to keep the worlds separate. Maybe Drakon's vision was intended as a warning.

[Reznore57]

About the Titans awakening and creating "paradise" under their footstep...I think there might be something else about Titans we're unaware of.

Remember how inside the Titans there was a whole ecosystem?

Well it seems the Elves went after the Titans because they wanted to make "something " bloom.

 

I have a weird theory (one of many...) the elves did fight a " Sun " entity , and like the Dalish tales says ,there was some dire consequences.The Dalish thinks Mythal patched everything up easily and with diplomacy , bunnies , and rainbows.(more or less).

But I very much doubt that.

 

The thing that makes me believe the Dalish tales is true is ...the description of what was left of Thedas .The Sun has burned down all the things , Elgar'nan had thrown the Sun in the abyss so everything was dark , and there's this oddly specific details of a bit of the Sun's blood :"all that remained in the sky were the reminders of Elgar'nan's battle with his father—drops of the sun's lifeblood, which twinkled and shimmered in the darkness"

And the raw fade looks like a dark landscape with only dark rocks , and there's a strange and omnious little ribbon of light left in the sky.It seems to me the raw fade is exactly what Thedas would have looked like after the war between the elves and the Sun.

 

The using fluffly feelings and rebuilding the world with the Earth and the Sun's help (after the Sun was given a "there there" and was calmed down ) again sounds like garbage.

It seems pretty obvious the ancient elves went after the "Earth" and "Titans" in a pretty violent manner.

As for the" Sun" I'd say it suffered the same fate.

In the DAI art book , one artists noted they wanted the Black City to stand in the fade like a "corrupted Sun".

Also you have one of the ancient mosaic of Solas , showing a Sun symbol in what appears to be the Golden City or the creation of the Golden City.

 

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On top of it , it would seems part of the Sun is also underground.

Again there is the tale saying the Sun was thrown in the abyss , there is some old carvings you can find on dwarven sites and elven sites....where you can see the Sun underground and vines growing from it.(and some kind of egg , but that's just an headache....)

 

And what makes me believe there is something about all that as well is ...in codices about the ancient elves making something bloom with the Titans , there's often talks of a sphere of fire  used as well.

 

Now what might be possible is the Golden City was anchored to Thedas somewhere deep undergound.Meaning the city was in both places the fade and thedas.

Which might be possible because Cole says to Solas "Solas how come you're in both places."

Might also explain how Corypheus and co found themselves underground .

And possibly Tamlen seeing a corrupted city underground as well.

[Akiza]

The Inquisitor is screwed the titan is fine.

[Gervaise]

Drakon's vision can be found in World of Thedas 2, at the end of the section on the Chant.   This alleged vision sent to him by the Maker/Andraste is pretty much what inspired him to set up the Chantry and make his version of the Andrastrian faith the "official" one.     At the beginning it has something that sounds awfully like the tearing of the Veil "The air itself rent asunder, spilling light unearthly from the Waters of the Fade, opening an eye to look upon the Realm of Opposition in dire judgement".   The Realm of Opposition is Thedas because in the Chant, when he created the world he said "Here I degree Opposition in all things".    Think how the tearing of the Veil looked in the original trailer for DAI rather than as it later became and you get the idea of how Drakon's vision starts.     Which is why I say that tearing down the Veil could be said to be in the Maker's plan.   It is likely the Order of Fiery Promise had a similar vision, since they believed the world was impossibly broken and the only way to repair the situation was for it to be destroyed by fire and a new paradise reborn from the ashes. 

 

So we have two sets of Andrastrians who believe the end of the world will come with a cleansing fire and Solas saying his actions would result in a fiery chaos from which the world will be restored to what it once was/reborn.    Sounds to me like someone manipulating people into taking a certain action that will have that result.   Not necessarily the Maker; after all we know that the Magisters were encouraged to open the Veil and enter the Golden City by voices from the Fade and that didn't work out well.  Who is to say this isn't the same?