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[PatrickBateman]

So, surely the OP hasn't already tried the most obvious build answer that is staring everyone in the face first?

Isn't it nice that there are so many different ways to build each and every character, and not everything has to conform to a certain basic mold? I thought the idea was to find out what different builds everyone else here has used, and what builds they have themselves liked. Yes, I am noob, but I,too, have my own preferences, and certainly they often differ from my friends who have played 10x longer.
All hail anarchy.

Based on how the OP is written I'm assuming a no on that. There are lot's of different builds that different people like, but that doesn't necessarily make them good builds that have a meningful contribution to a team (especially on higher difficulties). I'm sure there are people that enjoy playing the Volus Sentinel with the Batarian Glove and the Eagle, fun to some maybe but not really a good way to make the kit work.

[Ashevajak]

Seconding Binary Helix's build, that's how I play the class.   Good mix of crowd control, tech bursts and utility, with Turian passives to help it all along.

[Alfonsedode]

Skip turret, sabotage->HG for tech bursts. Unless you have the misfortune to get Geth, in which case you prime tech bursts with disruptor ammo and repeat. 

 

U sure about sabotaged geth not being primed for TB ?

No backfire on them i guess, yeah, forgot about that.

Still, sabotage is so fun against geth it more than compensates

[LoonySpectre]

Tried NightmanCometh's Raider build. Got Collectors in the first game. Tough luck, though did manage to score around 100k.

[Cryos_Feron]

U sure about sabotaged geth not being primed for TB ?

No backfire on them i guess, yeah, forgot about that.

Still, sabotage is so fun against geth it more than compensates

yes, sure

[ClydeInTheShell]

I use power build 66653 and run either Venom, Lancer, CSMG, Scorpion or Adas w/Incendiary ammo most times but Disruptor works well too. 

 

Sabotage does set up Tech Bursts but the timing is funky, watch for the visual cue and try to time the Homing Grenade to hit when the electricity primes the bad guys. Tech Vulnerability is one of the more overlooked debuffs in the game and is insane with the right team. 

[Geth Supremacy]

You have to play smart with him.  Slow your role.  Once you start hitting with those Focus, Hidden, Incognitos you will start to enjoy him more and become better at the game.  He can't knife stun in this version, but it's just something you have to deal with.  Blame the dev for being idiots.  Just don't spec into disrupt or be a loser and OSB and everyone will like you and you will like the saboteur.

[Miniditka77]

I like to either (1) use a headshot weapon like the Arc Pistol, Suppressor, Valkyrie, etc., with AP Ammo, using Sabotage for setting up easier headshots, or (2) use a rapid-fire weapon with Incendiary Ammo and Grenade Cap gear with Split Grenade to set up a bunch of fire explosions.  Either way, I use the same build, usually do either 4/6/6/6/4 or 6/6/6/5/3.  Sabotage tech vulnerability is essential to the fire-explosion strategy, and it helps somewhat with all builds.  

[DisturbedPsic0]

U sure about sabotaged geth not being primed for TB ?

No backfire on them i guess, yeah, forgot about that.

Still, sabotage is so fun against geth it more than compensates

Yup. It's why I hate sabotage against Geth. Instead of stagger->backfire damage->stagger you get long stagger that turns them into a  crappy decoy that does no damage. It just gimps your damage output so much. I wish sabotage had a "hack" or "backfire" branch instead of "backfire" or "duration" branch. At least then the power would behave the same against all enemies. I mean you're supposed to backfire the gun, the Geth still use guns. No idea why that feature wouldn't still function...

[Terminator Force]

Haven't used him in awhile. But I just noticed it sucks he doesn't have an extra challenge for CPs like his brothers, Ghost annd Havoc.

[Arkhne]

He still makes a better Soldier than the psuedo-vanguard Havoc.

[DisturbedPsic0]

He still makes a better Soldier than the psuedo-vanguard Havoc.

How so? Same health/shields/passives, but the Havoc has cryo for debuff, havoc strike for stagger or closing gaps, and stim packs for damage boost and shield regen. Saboteur has stagger. The Havoc just has far more uptime and weapon damage potential, which is the definition of a soldier...

[Alfonsedode]

He still makes a better Soldier than the psuedo-vanguard Havoc.

What an entertainer !

[Arkhne]

How so? Same health/shields/passives, but the Havoc has cryo for debuff, havoc strike for stagger or closing gaps, and stim packs for damage boost and shield regen. Saboteur has stagger. The Havoc just has far more uptime and weapon damage potential, which is the definition of a soldier...

 

Lets examine ME3 Soldiers:

 

Human Soldier: Best Cryo-Ammo user. Has one of the fastest Tech/Ammo detonators in the game. (Two of them at that).

BF3 Soldier: See above, with added Self-Detonated Fire Explosions.

KroSol: Highest Fire DoT in Game. Self-Detonated Fire Explosions.

Vorcha Soldier: Once again, Self-Detonated Fire Explosions. Flamer, one of the highest DPS powers in the game.

Geth Trooper: Most powerful Flamer in game.

BatSol: Two high-damage DoT powers.

Juggernaut: High damage Siege Pulses.

 

Looks to me like Soldiers are more power-based than you give them credit for. Most of them function better with a power focus than a weapons focus.

[Quarian Master Race]

I like this guy. He's like a huge quarian fanboi with his two quarian powers and penchant for grenadespam. I bet he watches Fleet and Flotilla several times per week, romances Tali every playthrough, then posts BSN threads on the hypothesized chemical composition, smell and taste of quarian sweat.

Give him Arc Pistol or Adas, spec Tech Vulnerability in Sabotage, and Tech Burst all the things with Homing Grenades, using the shock turret for extra damage and CC. Alternatively, go melee because his is boosted by Sabotage. He isn't as strong as the QFI in any role, of course, but it's hardly embarrassing to be outshone by the best kit in the game.

[Terminator Force]

He still makes a better Soldier than the psuedo-vanguard Havoc.

 

Well yes, Havoc should of been under the Vanguard class to begin with.

[DisturbedPsic0]

Human Soldier: Best Cryo-Ammo user. Has one of the fastest Tech/Ammo detonators in the game. (Two of them at that).

Almost every kit in the game has a detonator of some kind. He can only set up with ammo, like anyone else in the game. Also, although a valid build, Adreneline Rush is a more damaging build, and focuses on weapon damage.

 

 

BF3 Soldier: See above, with added Self-Detonated Fire Explosions.

See above as well. Most damage from this kit comes when using Adreneline Rush to boost weapon damage. Although Distruptor Claymore->AR->Claymore->Carnage (tech burst)->Frag (fire explosion)->repeat...

 

KroSol: Highest Fire DoT in Game. Self-Detonated Fire Explosions.

Also has Fortification for DR and damage boost.

 

Vorcha Soldier: Once again, Self-Detonated Fire Explosions. Flamer, one of the highest DPS powers in the game.

Least favorite soldier for me, but nothing you say is wrong. Also probably the most "power" focused of all the soldiers.

 

Geth Trooper: Most powerful Flamer in game.

Also with two powers that boost DR and weapon damage.

 

BatSol: Two high-damage DoT powers.

If anything lives long enough for Ballistic blades to do it's dot damage, you're doing it wrong  . Also has DR power.

 

Juggernaut: High damage Siege Pulses.

Also has weapon/stability bonuses and Hex shield which boosts damage output.

 

I see you forgot to list Turian Soldier, Destroyer, and Quarksman. I guess Marksman and Devestator Mode were counterproductive to your argument 

 

I never said soldiers can't do power damage, just that they're focus, and they're most damaging builds rely on weapon damage, as it should be. It is Mass Effect, every class does come with 3 powers, some are boosts (Adreneline Rush, Marksman, Hunter Mode, etc), some are offensive (grenades, flamer, etc), some are defensive (Fortification, Blade Armor, Hex Shield, etc). You'll notice with a lot of the offensive powers in the soldier class, they tend to lean towards armor damage (flamer, inferno grenades, carnage) which is right up a soldier's alley. Soldiers tend to be single target massive DPS machines, as opposed to crowd control, or being able to set up and detonate explosions, or buffing teammates, etc.

 

So, again, how is the Saboteur more of a soldier than the Havoc?  

[TheN7Penguin]

Sentry turret is awesome.

[MrBSN2017]

I like this guy. He's like a huge quarian fanboi with his two quarian powers and penchant for grenadespam. I bet he watches Fleet and Flotilla several times per week, romances Tali every playthrough, then posts BSN threads on the hypothesized chemical composition, smell and taste of quarian sweat.

Give him Arc Pistol or Adas, spec Tech Vulnerability in Sabotage, and Tech Burst all the things with Homing Grenades, using the shock turret for extra damage and CC. Alternatively, go melee because his is boosted by Sabotage. He isn't as strong as the QFI in any role, of course, but it's hardly embarrassing to be outshone by the best kit in the game.

I heard that he always helps with objectives, always goes for the revive, greets everyone he meets with a compliment, still opens the car door for women, spends his idle time helping the elderly and disabled, sponsors a little league team and a fantastic pro bono doctor on the side. That turian saboteur is quite the gentleman.

[TheN7Penguin]

This place needs to stop giving me ideas about images to badly edit.

[LoonySpectre]

I heard that he always helps with objectives, always goes for the revive, greets everyone he meets with a compliment, still opens the car door for women, spends his idle time helping the elderly and disabled, sponsors a little league team and a fantastic pro bono doctor on the side. That turian saboteur is quite the gentleman.

And still, his favourite quarian female keeps him out of her shotgun range zone.

[MrBSN2017]

This place needs to stop giving me ideas about images to badly edit.

Haha just throw some smiling kids in the picture and kittens and it's bulletproof.

[capn233]

Tried several builds and weapons and stuff with him. Still can't understand what makes this ugly monster of a kit click. Any suggestions?

 

Just take one of the top tier weapons on him and forget about his powers.

[Cryos_Feron]

Sentry turret is awesome.

 

I put 21 points into it, too.

But I like the Geth Turret better.

 

And that's not because healing, DPS or anything.

 

It is because the Geth Turret starts firing IMMEDIATELY after casting while the Sentry Turret needs such a long time.

 

(I am talking about both Flame Throwers)

 

Since their main purpose is distraction rather than DPS (on gold and Platinum) - this is a very important advantage the Geth Turret has over the Sentry Turret.

[TheN7Penguin]

There's nothing WRONG with the Geth Turret, just the classes that use them. Whereas the better classes use Sentry Turret.