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[coldwetn0se]

Wow. You always get the weirdest glitches! It's like they don't test the German version, or something.

That reminds me, have you ever had problems with party members getting stuck in the area in front of the frozen gate? Particularly when the game turns from day to night, the raid with the Stone-Bears? The navmesh is really bad in front of the gate. Friends and foes alike get stuck and can't do path finding.

Yes, yes, yes! This happens nearly every time I am ready to storm the Ice Fortress gate.

I usually have to switch to each individual companion, move them into a new spot, target and set a skill/spell on said target, then quickly switch to another. Rinse/Repeat. And even then, they sometimes end up back in that little pocket dimension (as I call it ). Once the gate is open though, and I move past it, things get righted.

[Gilli]

 
Wow. You always get the weirdest glitches! It's like they don't test the German version, or something.

That reminds me, have you ever had problems with party members getting stuck in the area in front of the frozen gate? Particularly when the game turns from day to night, the raid with the Stone-Bears? The navmesh is really bad in front of the gate. Friends and foes alike get stuck and can't do path finding.

 

It seems so, it's like they only test if the game runs and then send it.

 

They also mistranslated two sentences, one in JoH and one in Trespasser.

Both times they mistranslated "friend" into "Freundin instead of Freund. (Freundin = (female) friend/girlfriend, Freund = (male) friend/boyfriend)

 

In JoH: The Spirit on the Lady's Rest, when it's quoting Drakon "Please, dear friend. For both our people."

In german it says: "Bitte, liebste Freundin. Für unser beider Völker."

Making it sound like Ameridan is saying that to Telana, instead of Drakon to Ameridan.

 

 

In Trespasser: Cole's sentence about Felassan "His friend had to die. Because he thought they were people. A slow arrow breaks in the sad wolf's jaws."

In german he says: "Seine Freundin musste sterben, weil er dachte, sie seien Leute. Ein langsamer Pfeil bohrt sich in den Kiefer des traurigen Wolfs."

Making it sound like the friend and he are two different people, instead of one and the same. Also it sounds like Solas killed Felassan's girlfriend. 

 

 

I do have that problem sometimes.

What I also noticed, Not one of my companions would enter the Astrarium Cave in the Basin, they just walk all on the same spot infront of the entrance, like they're too scared to enter. 

[PapaCharlie9]

Making it sound like the friend and he are two different people, instead of one and the same. Also it sounds like Solas killed Felassan's girlfriend. 

Ouch. That's a very subtle Cole statement that can easily be misinterpreted even when the language is correct. No hope when it is incorrect.

Though that said, Solas did kind of want to kill Felassan's "girlfriend", if you can call Briala that. For the keystone and pass phrase for the Eluvian network.
 

I do have that problem sometimes.
What I also noticed, Not one of my companions would enter the Astrarium Cave in the Basin, they just walk all on the same spot infront of the entrance, like they're too scared to enter. 

Ah yes, I forgot about that one too. I will add it, thanks.

[Gilli]

Ouch. That's a very subtle Cole statement that can easily be misinterpreted even when the language is correct. No hope when it is incorrect.

Though that said, Solas did kind of want to kill Felassan's "girlfriend", if you can call Briala that. For the keystone and pass phrase for the Eluvian network.
 

Ah yes, I forgot about that one too. I will add it, thanks.

 

Yeah. The first time I played Trespasser, I haden't read TME yet and seriously thought that sentence was about Felassan's girlfriend.   This is my first full PT in english, I'm noticing soo many mistranslations, it's annoying. 

True.

 

Welcome

[Gilli]

I just remembered something.

This is not a bug, or glitch, but Newbies might not know this (I didn't, it was practically the reason why I started posting in the BSN) so I feel it worth mentioning.

 

 

Sera can not equip Elven Armor. Neither found, nor crafted, because her body is a modified female human body model.

This is not a bug.

Sera is an un-elfy elf and would NEVER wear Elven Armor.

The only way for that to work, was to give her a female human body model, so the game wouldn't let you, put her in armor she wouldn't want to wear.

 

 

Oh and the Orlesian Armor was probably not meant for Cass. It stretches her neck.

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[PapaCharlie9]

I just remembered something.
This is not a bug, or glitch, but Newbies might not know this (I didn't, it was practically the reason why I started posting in the BSN) so I feel it worth mentioning.
 
 
Sera can not equip Elven Armor. Neither found, nor crafted, because her body is a modified female human body model.
This is not a bug.
Sera is an un-elfy elf and would NEVER wear Elven Armor.
The only way for that to work, was to give her a female human body model, so the game wouldn't let you, put her in armor she wouldn't want to wear.
 
 
Oh and the Orlesian Armor was probably not meant for Cass. It stretches her neck.

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Good ones, G. OP updated.

[JD Buzz]

I noticed this bug yesterday. If you leave Cullen's left and right office doors open, the middle door is inaccessible. Quick fix, either save/reload or travel outside of Skyhold and back.

[nightscrawl]

Sera can not equip Elven Armor. Neither found, nor crafted, because her body is a modified female human body model.
This is not a bug.
Sera is an un-elfy elf and would NEVER wear Elven Armor.
The only way for that to work, was to give her a female human body model, so the game wouldn't let you, put her in armor she wouldn't want to wear.

You are a bit mistaken in the reasoning and process here. As you say, Sera is not an "elfy" elf, in personality or upbringing, but it has nothing to do with that armor model specifically.

All of that other stuff aside, that is not the only way for them to have made the armor restrictive. For example, Varric cannot use bows, so all normal bows have a restriction that specifically excludes Varric on the item itself. They could have done the same with Sera. The opposite is true with Bianca; only Varric can equip and use that weapon.

 

In her specific case, since she is an elf, but is essentially using a human female body, there are probably other things going on as well with settings in files that I'm not entirely familiar with.

[Gilli]

You are a bit mistaken in the reasoning and process here. As you say, Sera is not an "elfy" elf, in personality or upbringing, but it has nothing to do with that armor model specifically.

All of that other stuff aside, that is not the only way for them to have made the armor restrictive. For example, Varric cannot use bows, so all normal bows have a restriction that specifically excludes Varric on the item itself. They could have done the same with Sera. The opposite is true with Bianca; only Varric can equip and use that weapon.

 

In her specific case, since she is an elf, but is essentially using a human female body, there are probably other things going on as well with settings in files that I'm not entirely familiar with.

 

Well, it was the explanation that I was told. 

Maybe it's to show that she grew up around humans. Idk.

[Rascoth]

You are a bit mistaken in the reasoning and process here. As you say, Sera is not an "elfy" elf, in personality or upbringing, but it has nothing to do with that armor model specifically.

All of that other stuff aside, that is not the only way for them to have made the armor restrictive. For example, Varric cannot use bows, so all normal bows have a restriction that specifically excludes Varric on the item itself. They could have done the same with Sera. The opposite is true with Bianca; only Varric can equip and use that weapon.

 

In her specific case, since she is an elf, but is essentially using a human female body, there are probably other things going on as well with settings in files that I'm not entirely familiar with.

I think there's difference between weapons and armors restriction. While with weapons (like Bianca you mentioned) it seems to work similar to class restricions, with Sera and armor it's a bit harder. For her to wear human-trained armor (which is saying something about her), they would need to create new versions of those (if she had the same body as female elf). It was probably easier to just swap her body model to both lock out elfy armor and allow her to equip human-trained.

 

That being said, I'm not denying the idea that there's more to it. Who knows what hides within BioWare's devs heads.

[PapaCharlie9]

Who knows what hides within BioWare's devs heads.

 

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Sorry, couldn't resist.

[PapaCharlie9]

I noticed this bug yesterday. If you leave Cullen's left and right office doors open, the middle door is inaccessible. Quick fix, either save/reload or travel outside of Skyhold and back.

From the inside or outside or both? I can't imagine why they would code it that way. That's so weird!

I did notice that the middle door can be left open after you do a cutscene dialogue with him away from this office, like when he's praying at the alter off the garden.

[JD Buzz]

From the inside or outside or both? I can't imagine why they would code it that way. That's so weird!

 

Both inside and outside. Inky has to go the long winded route to get to Cullen's office 

[nightscrawl]

I think there's difference between weapons and armors restriction. While with weapons (like Bianca you mentioned) it seems to work similar to class restricions, with Sera and armor it's a bit harder. For her to wear human-trained armor (which is saying something about her), they would need to create new versions of those (if she had the same body as female elf). It was probably easier to just swap her body model to both lock out elfy armor and allow her to equip human-trained.

 

That being said, I'm not denying the idea that there's more to it. Who knows what hides within BioWare's devs heads.

 

The player cannot wear either Solas or Varric's starting armor, regardless of race, gender, or class, as that is restricted to them alone. Aside from those two, none of the other party members have such restrictions (aside from class) on their starting armor. In this case, the rogue female elf player can wear Sera's starting armor and it would appear as the generic model for the female elf Inquisitor.

 

Again, it doesn't have to do with models specifically. There are actual item files for each armor that they could have added restrictions on.

 

 

You're making the argument that the reason for the body swap is specifically to lock her out of elf armor, when I don't think that is the case. I think it likely that they designed her unique body, like Iron Bull, and then worked around the various armor afterward.

 

The various elf armor models do have the elf race requirement, but obviously, Sera cannot wear it. I'm not sure exactly how this was done; I can't seem to figure it out just by looking at certain files. However, each armor does have an appearance template, and each follower, and each race/gender combination of the Inquisitor, is listed in the files. Manipulating this information is the way that the player can "wear" the follower body.

 

 

At any rate, I've said my piece on the issue. The only reason I posted was because of the perception that the sole reason for Sera having that model was to lock her out of the elfy armor, rather than to design Sera to look a particular way.

[JD Buzz]

I'm reading through the list and I don't think Sera not being able to wear any elf armour is annoying. Story wise, she's not "elfy" and doesn't care about that stuff like Solas and a Dalish Inquisitor. She dresses like a regular person, because that's how she rolls.

[Rascoth]

I believe it's easier to lock things like armor or weapon than unlock them, but I admit, it's strange about Solas' and Varric's armor.

True, elf can wear Sera's starting armor, but so does dwarf and qunari. That's because it's generic t1 armor (if you don't add her to active party right away, she doesn't even have armor or weapon).

 

You're making the argument that the reason for the body swap is specifically to lock her out of elf armor,

I was explaining the difference why restrictions on weapons and armors might work differently (since you mentioned Varric and his Bianca/bow situation) while using Sera as potential example, not arguing that Sera's body model was created only to allow those restrictions. I even added that there might be more to it.

 

*cough*

Sorry PapaCharlie for derailing this thread a bit.

[Crowsfeet]

I noticed this bug yesterday. If you leave Cullen's left and right office doors open, the middle door is inaccessible. Quick fix, either save/reload or travel outside of Skyhold and back.

I've only had this happen once and it was right after the romance cutscene where Cullen locks that particular door. Could be deliberate, or just a coincidence? It's been fine since.

[nightscrawl]

... not arguing that Sera's body model was created only to allow those restrictions. I even added that there might be more to it.

That's what Gilli-chan stated they heard, though, which is why I responded in the thread in the first place.


At any rate, people seem to be posting weird bugs that they've encountered, but a single bugged instance doesn't mean very much. This is why devs want things to be verifiable when they read bug reports: when I do A, weird thing B happens, and so on.
 
Have you all seen some of these more than once? Can you intentionally trigger the bug? Was it fixed by a reload, like the above Cullen door thing?

 

It seems so, it's like they only test if the game runs and then send it.
 
They also mistranslated two sentences, one in JoH and one in Trespasser.
Both times they mistranslated "friend" into "Freundin instead of Freund. (Freundin = (female) friend/girlfriend, Freund = (male) friend/boyfriend)
 
In JoH: The Spirit on the Lady's Rest, when it's quoting Drakon "Please, dear friend. For both our people."
In german it says: "Bitte, liebste Freundin. Für unser beider Völker."
Making it sound like Ameridan is saying that to Telana, instead of Drakon to Ameridan.
 
 
In Trespasser: Cole's sentence about Felassan "His friend had to die. Because he thought they were people. A slow arrow breaks in the sad wolf's jaws."
In german he says: "Seine Freundin musste sterben, weil er dachte, sie seien Leute. Ein langsamer Pfeil bohrt sich in den Kiefer des traurigen Wolfs."
Making it sound like the friend and he are two different people, instead of one and the same. Also it sounds like Solas killed Felassan's girlfriend. 
 
 
I do have that problem sometimes.
What I also noticed, Not one of my companions would enter the Astrarium Cave in the Basin, they just walk all on the same spot infront of the entrance, like they're too scared to enter. 

So can we use this as proof of a Felassan/Solas ship?!

(I'm kidding...)

[JD Buzz]

I've only had this happen once and it was right after the romance cutscene where Cullen locks that particular door. Could be deliberate, or just a coincidence? It's been fine since.

 

Yeah, it happened after Cullen's romance scene. I don't understand why he would lock only the middle door instead of all 3 before making out with the Inquisitor   

[PapaCharlie9]

I'm reading through the list and I don't think Sera not being able to wear any elf armour is annoying. Story wise, she's not "elfy" and doesn't care about that stuff like Solas and a Dalish Inquisitor. She dresses like a regular person, because that's how she rolls.

Annoying for a different reason. If you happen to pick up a suit of elf-trained armor in the middle of a quest and it's better than what Sera has on, it would be nice to be able to use it. The Vir Banal'ras in Pride, for example. If you aren't an elf rogue yourself, that armor can't be used by anyone in the Inner Circle.

Purely for game mechanics.

[Gilli]

Annoying for a different reason. If you happen to pick up a suit of elf-trained armor in the middle of a quest and it's better than what Sera has on, it would be nice to be able to use it. The Vir Banal'ras in Pride, for example. If you aren't an elf rogue yourself, that armor can't be used by anyone in the Inner Circle.

Purely for game mechanics.

 

Yep.

That was actually my "problem" in my first DAI PT. I went down the hole after Samson, got Vir Banal'ras and thought "Hey cool! I'm gonna give this Sera!"

Imagine my confusion when she couldn't wear it.

 

In the end I had to sell it, cause my Inquisitor was a Qunari and the armor is restricted to Rogues, so I couldn't even give it to Solas.

[JD Buzz]

Annoying for a different reason. If you happen to pick up a suit of elf-trained armor in the middle of a quest and it's better than what Sera has on, it would be nice to be able to use it. The Vir Banal'ras in Pride, for example. If you aren't an elf rogue yourself, that armor can't be used by anyone in the Inner Circle.Purely for game mechanics.

I see. That sucks. I don't use pre-made armours that much anymore, except for the skin that stalks that's part of the taken shape set in Trespasser. Some of the unique ones are just for show with less than stellar stats.

[arkngt]

Not a proper bug, but quite annoying and something that should have been fixed IMO as it's actually "game breaking" in places: With Even Ground on (from the Trespasser Trials), Magical Barriers can be impossible to destroy on higher levels. At least on Nightmare, which I'm always playing on. My "fix" is to turn off Even Ground and turn the difficult down to Casual, save, exit the game and reload the save. The Magical Barrier still has the same level as the player, but it can be destroyed easily.

[Agi_]

 

Sera can not equip Elven Armor. Neither found, nor crafted, because her body is a modified female human body model.

This is not a bug.

Sera is an un-elfy elf and would NEVER wear Elven Armor.

The only way for that to work, was to give her a female human body model, so the game wouldn't let you, put her in armor she wouldn't want to wear.

 

 

 

The game allows the same armor to be worn by a dwarf, an elf and a qunari  so giving her an human body wont change much; as you said she doesnt wear elven stuff because she is human trained and doesnt like elven culture, not because her body is a smaller human one.

[Agi_]

 

They also mistranslated two sentences, one in JoH and one in Trespasser.

Both times they mistranslated "friend" into "Freundin instead of Freund. (Freundin = (female) friend/girlfriend, Freund = (male) friend/boyfriend)

 

 

 

I'm italian and i stopped long ago to play games translated because i understand english a lot better than translations