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[JPVNG]

If there was a "trend" of common Shepards, they'd be heavily Paragon.

 

 

And I'd probably burn that book. A bunch of weenies play these games.

caught you!!! to burn it, you would have to buy it 

[Shechinah]

So, do not create it. Most Star Trek books are not canon. Or even all of it i think, if official episodes excluded.

relax people 

 

Then what would be the point of using the proposed books to expand the Mass Effect universe with if said books would be considered non-canon? 

 

It would not expand the universe because the content of the books would not be considered cannonical a part of the universe.
 

[JamesFaith]

So because of that, it is impossible to wrote for the "set" Shepard? 

I put a graphic about ME 3 some posts behind but i think there is  official data from bioware of the typical Shepard through all 3 games.

Would that majority of players be interested in reading about that Shepard?

 

There is one big logical mistake in this argument.

 

You are assuming that players would like to read about same Shepard they played. But this isn't completely true. You can play as paragon Shepard because you would never do some Renegade decisions in real life but yet you can prefer dark gritty books with renegade-like characters.

 

That statistic works good when you are planning another game but for book? Nope. There is big difference between passive reading of book and active decision making in video game.

[Heimdall]

So because of that, it is impossible to wrote for the "set" Shepard?
I put a graphic about ME 3 some posts behind but i think there is official data from bioware of the typical Shepard through all 3 games.
Would that majority of players be interested in reading about that Shepard?

No, they wouldn't. Because most people are only interested in Shepard so far as they can control the character. They don't have an interest beyond that because what makes the character appealing is what they put into it.

It isn't impossible to write a set Shepard, it just wouldn't be very appealing to most people.

[straykat]

caught you!!! to burn it, you would have to buy it 

 

You did. Doh...

 

 

Seriously though, I probably relate to many of the common choices, but there'd most definitely be something that ticked me off. I'm sure that's the case for many.

[JPVNG]

@Shechinah

See? i m talking to have fun ..you talk about canon....when i read about Star Trek books its for fun, not for canon.

I do not know how exactly those writers have liberty to use star trek universe to write about it, but i know they have permission/authorization to use ST universe for their stories. Maybe they have limits.

Bioware can, could do the same thing. 

And even if we want canon books then, i agree just avoid talking about Shepard individual choices.

But that does not make impossible to open non canon books for Mass Effect as it happens with ST or Star wars etc..

Of Course i do not want a book about a "set" Shepard to be considered canon. That i understand.

[straykat]

Star Trek is different.. That whole medium is one sided. Those characters are completely out of our hands. Games are more give and take.

[JPVNG]

No, they wouldn't. Because most people are only interested in Shepard so far as they can control the character. They don't have an interest beyond that because what makes the character appealing is what they put into it.

It isn't impossible to write a set Shepard, it just wouldn't be very appealing to most people.

 

It is your opinion. But as valid as mine.  I respect that.

[Shechinah]

It is your opinion. But as valid as mine.  I respect that.

 
And how do you think a set Shepard could be made appealing to most people and why?

[Heimdall]

When you add together the "people not interested in a set Shepard" crowd with the "people not interested in non-canon stories" crowd the prospective audience for this set Shepard story is getting smaller and smaller...

[JPVNG]

There is one big logical mistake in this argument.

 

You are assuming that players would like to read about same Shepard they played. But this isn't completely true. You can play as paragon Shepard because you would never do some Renegade decisions in real life but yet you can prefer dark gritty books with renegade-like characters.

 

That statistic works good when you are planning another game but for book? Nope. There is big difference between passive reading of book and active decision making in video game.

Again, its a matter of personal opinion...if you know you re not reading a canon book, you can have fun or not. Telling me the majority wouldn t have fun reading about a most common "set" Shepard even being the same they played, because in books players can have different tastes...ok i respect your opinion but i don t think you are right really.

I believe there are people that are like you described.. but sincerely not the majority.

[JPVNG]

When you add together the "people not interested in a set Shepard" crowd with the "people not interested in non-canon stories" crowd the prospective audience for this set Shepard story is getting smaller and smaller...

Probably just me... 

 

[ElitePinecone]

Why are you guys even having this discussion?

 

Shepard won't even be in the book, if it's set in Andromeda. It's a pointless conversation, really. 

 

I'm in favour of the books being canon, and therefore not including anything that can be affected by player choices - but we haven't made any choices in the new games yet, so it's a completely irrelevant thing to talk about. 

 

There's plenty of stories they can tell without including characters and choices that players feel a sense of ownership over.

[JPVNG]

Why are you guys even having this discussion?

 

 

Yeah...someone said the ME Andromeda release is only to happen for march 2017...

[Heimdall]

Why are you guys even having this discussion?

Shepard won't even be in the book, if it's set in Andromeda. It's a pointless conversation, really.

I'm in favour of the books being canon, and therefore not including anything that can be affected by player choices - but we haven't made any choices in the new games yet, so it's a completely irrelevant thing to talk about.

There's plenty of stories they can tell without including characters and choices that players feel a sense of ownership over.

I think this originally came up with the question of if this story could be about the launch of the Ark, this taking place in the Milky Way and making Shepard's involvement a possibility timeline-wise? I didn't actually see the start of this line of conversation.

[JPVNG]

I think this originally came up with the question of if this story could be about the launch of the Ark, this taking place in the Milky Way and making Shepard's involvement a possibility timeline-wise? I didn't actually see the start of this line of conversation.

 

Nah...my fault really. I guess.

[JamesFaith]

Again, its a matter of personal opinion...if you know you re not reading a canon book, you can have fun or not. Telling me the majority wouldn t have fun reading about a most common "set" Shepard even being the same they played, because in books players can have different tastes...ok i respect your opinion but i don t think you are right really.

I believe there are people that are like you described.. but sincerely not the majority.

Did I used word majority? Nope.

 

So please don't putting words in my mouth, especially this popular "majority argument" I personally despised because without any hard data it is only another way how to say "my personal guess is better then yours".

[UpUpAway]

Why not? if there is a market..go for it...should i be offended for that? i even wouldn t mind to read about a female Shepard.

Whats wrong about that?

 

The point is that, if such a book were to be seen as some sort of "officially" supported premise by the developer, it has the potential to split apart and alienate a portion of the market for the game itself - which is the primary product as far as the developer is concerned.  If it's just fan fiction - it doesn't have that sort of impact.

 

If Shepard is included in a book launching ME:A... I'm pretty sure the references will be pretty vague so as to allow the public to continue to "imagine" it's their own Shepard.  They won't want to risk putting people off from buying ME:A by virtue of perceiving that there's an "official" Shepard out there that is nothing like the Shepard they created themselves whenever they played the ME Trilogy.

[ElitePinecone]

I think this originally came up with the question of if this story could be about the launch of the Ark, this taking place in the Milky Way and making Shepard's involvement a possibility timeline-wise? I didn't actually see the start of this line of conversation.

 

Even if it does take place in the Milky Way for part of the novel, the references to Shepard can be as vague as needed in order to not step on the player's canon. They did a similar thing in Ascension, which was set after ME1. 

 

I mean, it could literally just quote the speech in the trailer ("Commander Shepard, signing off") without mentioning a gender or any other identifying information and it would qualify as a cameo that doesn't disregard player choices. 

 

(The game can obviously do more than that, because they can probably access player choices if there's something like the DA Keep, but a book needs to be much more cautious.)

[JPVNG]

Did I used word majority? Nope.

 

 

 

I thought that was the meaning of your argument. If is not i only have to agree with you. People are different, nothing new about that.

[straykat]

If they were gonna step on canon, I'd rather do it full gusto. Make a sequel --- With a Control Shep (even though I hate it). Then I'll play some young hacker who saves the day. Or I'd play Kasumi. Either/or.

 

I wouldn't want to read about it though.

[Shechinah]

Back on book speculation; I'm hoping for the story in the game to feature first contact scenario with the player character ad whatever sentient lives in the Andromeda Galaxy so I'm hoping the book will be more about the ARK. What it is the ARK? What is it like to live on the ARK? Who or what is on the ARK? 

 

I'm hoping for a multiracial coalition leadership myself.  

[Han Shot First]

 

I'm hoping for a multiracial coalition leadership myself.  

 

That would make more sense.

 

The only issue is that she has to work with whatever story Bioware wrote, and given their track record, it would not be surprising if Arkcon turned out to be an Alliance project and the aliens are refugees the magnanimous humans allowed to tag along.

[straykat]

It'd be cool if the Krogans slipped in by accident. Kind of like the Voyager crew and Maquis getting mixed together.

 

I can't think of a scenario where they were actually welcomed... especially if this was pre-Genophage cure.

[Quarian Master Race]

If there was a "trend" of common Shepards, they'd be heavily Paragon.

 

 

And I'd probably burn that book. A bunch of weenies play these games.

So would I, but I'd make sure to steal it then burn it.