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[straykat]

Maybe that'd be a bit much, but I would've really appreciated having some choice over whether my Shepard very clearly put Earth first or not in Mass Effect 3. Throughout Mass Effect 1, and even to a large extent in Mass Effect 2, one of the major issues on which you could choose Shepard's stance was whether you saw humanity as one part of a larger galactic community, with as much value as every other civilisation, or as standing alone, separate from and above all others. In Mass Effect 3, that kinda goes out the window, and no matter how you've played Shepard in the past, you have to make Earth the absolute priority in your fight against the Reapers.

I'd have liked to have been able to play my egalitarian Shepard in attitude at least, even if one plot contrivance or another made Earth the logical centre of the fight against the Reapers, like it has been for... Well, the vast majority of other vast and powerful foes in the pantheon of science fiction. The way I felt like most of my control over Shepard's character had been taken away was, bar nothing, my biggest problem with that game, beyond the ending or anything else.

And honestly, having the option to sacrifice humanity for the sake of a 'greater good' would actually have been quite interesting to me. Science fiction has been staging dramatic last stands and grand comebacks based around defending Earth for a very, very long time. It's rare that the idea of actually sacrificing humanity for the sake of other races comes up--at least, it's certainly far less common than, well, exactly what we got in Mass Effect 3, with some United Federation of... Worlds, coming together to defend Earth. Besides, it would've fit better with those galactic unity/galactic isolation themes that had been such a big part of the first two games, and represented a far more compelling 'difficult choice' - at least, to me - than the ass-pull we got at the end of ME3.

 

I agree somewhat, but I think the actual bulk of the game isn't about humans. To me, Kahlee and Jack are more important than the Krogan, but it's not even a "Priority" mission. You're saving the best of humanity there, but I'm supposed to care about Krogan more.

[N7Jamaican]

I hope the book will summarize the end of ME3, and presents a new ending not seen in ME3 as canon.  Something better than *shudders* synthesis.  Something better than *boring* control. 

[The Elder King]

I hope the book will summarize the end of ME3, and presents a new ending not seen in ME3 as canon.  Something better than *shudders* synthesis.  Something better than *boring* control. 

There's not going to be a canon ending. Bioware already said that.

[Guanxii]

Was hoping for something like this but if it's by the last guy who did Deception I'll pass.

 

Some Dark Horse comics wouldn't go amiss either.

[N7Jamaican]

Was hoping for something like this but if it's by the last guy who did Deception I'll pass.

 

Some Dark Horse comics wouldn't go amiss either.

NK Jemisin.

[The Elder King]

Was hoping for something like this but if it's by the last guy who did Deception I'll pass.

 

Some Dark Horse comics wouldn't go amiss either.

It's not the same guy. It's not even a guy

[N7Jamaican]

This is the rumored Author of the rumored book

 

[Guanxii]

NK Jemisin.

 

Anybody read any of her stuff?

[ElitePinecone]

Anybody read any of her stuff?

 

I've only read a short story that I googled when her name first came up (it was pretty interesting), but people on the Mass Effect Reddit seemed to like her previous novels. 

 

It seems like she's written more literary (highbrow?) science fiction and fantasy than either Dietz or Drew Karpyshyn, which could be an interesting take on the ME universe. 

[Sartoz]

I hope the book will summarize the end of ME3, and presents a new ending not seen in ME3 as canon.  Something better than *shudders* synthesis.  Something better than *boring* control. 

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Bet yah the book opens with the colonists arriving in the Helius Cluster.

 

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Given her strengths in speculative fiction, I see a human centric viewpoint based on second or third tier characters. She will attempt to develop non-cardboard characters hit by fear, excitement, loss, personal demons, hardships, relationships and hope for a new life/home.

 

I can't see the book talking about the protag or the main decision points.  That would give the ME:A show away.  However, Jemisin can weave a story on the fallout of high level decisions. Decisions that the colonists, troopers, scouts, miners... etc have to deal with. 

 

About the MW

Nothing. However, while developing the characters, some flashback "back home" info is probably necessary. Their educational background and where they lived and their training, for instance.

[JamesFaith]

 

It seems like she's written more literary (highbrow?) science fiction and fantasy than either Dietz or Drew Karpyshyn, which could be an interesting take on the ME universe. 

To be honest this make me little worried.

 

If I'm correct, till know she wrote only books in her own worlds. Question is how much she would be willing to adjust to existing ME universe and how much she would push on unavoidable limits of her own creativity, especially when this creativity brought her so many awards and nominations. 

[Laughing_Man]

I've only read a short story that I googled when her name first came up (it was pretty interesting), but people on the Mass Effect Reddit seemed to like her previous novels. 

 

It seems like she's written more literary (highbrow?) science fiction and fantasy than either Dietz or Drew Karpyshyn, which could be an interesting take on the ME universe. 

 

I opened the Reddit thread out of curiosity, and found "Gamer Gate" bashing and implications that everyone who are somehow against "SJW's" -

are white supremacists, "manthusiasts" (this probably describes gays and straight females who are enthusiastic about the company of males, right?...), and fascists.

 

Little wonder that there's nothing but support for this writer there... I'm sure it's all entirely objective too...

 

I'm still curious to hear about the quality of anything Sci-Fi she wrote, that thread only mentioned High Fantasy with romance (assuming I didn't miss anything), and the books I saw online seemed also to be from the Fantasy genre. 

[Sartoz]

To be honest this make me little worried.

 

If I'm correct, till know she wrote only books in her own worlds. Question is how much she would be willing to adjust to existing ME universe and how much she would push on unavoidable limits of her own creativity, especially when this creativity brought her so many awards and nominations. 

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No question about her abilities with fantasy novels.  I have not come across any sci-fi novels, however.... still searching.

[ElitePinecone]

To be honest this make me little worried.

 

If I'm correct, till know she wrote only books in her own worlds. Question is how much she would be willing to adjust to existing ME universe and how much she would push on unavoidable limits of her own creativity, especially when this creativity brought her so many awards and nominations. 

 

I'm more up for that than what William Dietz did.

[JamesFaith]

I'm more up for that than what William Dietz did.

 

Dietz's book was concentration of nearly all mistakes and failure freelancer can do in shared universe. It would be really hard to be worse then him. 

 

In fact since Deception, when comes on fact checking during writing, I'm using scale where 1 means Dietz.

[N7Jamaican]

A part of me what's Drew K. back, now that he's back with BioWare (although working on SWTOR).  But at the same time, I have more faith in NK than I do Dietz.  I am optimistic.

[ElitePinecone]

Little wonder that there's nothing but support for this writer there... I'm sure it's all entirely objective too..

 

Okay, so real talk: I read that entire reddit thread and it was literally ONE POST that mentioned Gamergate. Out of, like, ten or twenty posts that were positive about the author and her work. 

 

Nice try buddy! 

[Sartoz]

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Jemisin was recruited by EA/BIO for a reason.  My speculation is that she is very good at developing 3D characters, that Bio gave her a mandate and pointed her in a certain direction. For example: "tell a story about humanity fleeing from a catastrophe, arriving in the cluster to find a new home, with limited resources, encountering and fighting the hostile Khet and pirates. Don't talk about the leadership except in general terms, add Remnant tech caches and last, first contact with the friendly aliens."

 

Then let her go and do her thing. Her "thing" I bet, is to develop those 3D chars interwoven within the parameters above. The question is, will the book be more about individual char/class struggles or with the mission?

[Evamitchelle]

I'm still curious to hear about the quality of anything Sci-Fi she wrote, that thread only mentioned High Fantasy with romance (assuming I didn't miss anything), and the books I saw online seemed also to be from the Fantasy genre. 

 

Jemisin's got three series right now, Inheritance, Dreamblood and Broken Earth. First two are clearly fantasy, the last one feels a bit closer to sci-fi with the whole apocalypse + focus on geology, but overall I'd still classify it as fantasy. I couldn't get into Inheritance (felt kind of YA in tone, which is not my thing) and Dreamblood (slow beginning), but I found The Fifth Season pretty great. World-building, plot, characters, prose were all very good. The structure of the book is also pretty interesting, about a third of the chapters are in 2nd person view, which worked surprisingly well. 

 

As for the 'social justice' elements, they're definitely there: most of the main characters are black or brown, there's a pretty major trans character and a polyamorous relationship between two men and a woman. But given how different the world is to begin with, it didn't feel forced at all to me, though I guess YMMV.  

[von uber]

I put a graphic about ME 3 some posts behind but i think there is official data from bioware of the typical Shepard through all 3 games.
Would that majority of players be interested in reading about that Shepard?

Xbox live players only, I'll think you'll find. So no majority at all.

[Heimdall]

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Jemisin was recruited by EA/BIO for a reason. My speculation is that she is very good at developing 3D characters, that Bio gave her a mandate and pointed her in a certain direction. For example: "tell a story about humanity fleeing from a catastrophe, arriving in the cluster to find a new home, with limited resources, encountering and fighting the hostile Khet and pirates. Don't talk about the leadership except in general terms, add Remnant tech caches and last, first contact with the friendly aliens."

Then let her go and do her thing. Her "thing" I bet, is to develop those 3D chars interwoven within the parameters above. The question is, will the book be more about individual char/class struggles or with the mission?

I'm kinda thinking this might be more about the launch of the Ark than the arrival, potentially. That's a story I'd be interested in reading.

Still, they probably gave her more guidelines than that, gave her a lot of relevant lore information, plot elements they'd like her to build up. I don't think they'd make major characters off limits (Assuming there's some kind of stasis that would help them survive the journey)

Someone linked a blog post that I think was her that mentioned she is a fan of Mass Effect. Though that same post also mentioned a rather "SJW" slanted interpretation of Bioshock: Infinite that seemed to be based on a misunderstanding of the whole series, but I don't think that would really get in the way of a Mass Effect novel.

[Laughing_Man]

Jemisin's got three series right now, Inheritance, Dreamblood and Broken Earth. First two are clearly fantasy, the last one feels a bit closer to sci-fi with the whole apocalypse + focus on geology, but overall I'd still classify it as fantasy. I couldn't get into Inheritance (felt kind of YA in tone, which is not my thing) and Dreamblood (slow beginning), but I found The Fifth Season pretty great. World-building, plot, characters, prose were all very good. The structure of the book is also pretty interesting, about a third of the chapters are in 2nd person view, which worked surprisingly well. 
 
As for the 'social justice' elements, they're definitely there: most of the main characters are black or brown, there's a pretty major trans character and a polyamorous relationship between two men and a woman. But given how different the world is to begin with, it didn't feel forced at all to me, though I guess YMMV.

 
Finally an actually informative post about her work, thank you.
 
So, I guess I wasn't quite so wrong when I said that she was probably inexperienced with Sci-Fi - as some tried to claim before. Eh?
 

Okay, so real talk: I read that entire reddit thread and it was literally ONE POST that mentioned Gamergate. Out of, like, ten or twenty posts that were positive about the author and her work. 

 
I certainly didn't see anyone opposing those comments, there was only agreement and wide eyed worship for a relatively unknown writer,

that everyone was hard pressed to find any kind of connection between her and Sci-Fi.

 

From this specific thread, I got the distinct feeling that this forum is one of those echo chambers, where there is one opinion to bring them all, in darkness to bind them.

[Sartoz]

I'm kinda thinking this might be more about the launch of the Ark than the arrival, potentially. That's a story I'd be interested in reading.

Still, they probably gave her more guidelines than that, gave her a lot of relevant lore information, plot elements they'd like her to build up. I don't think they'd make major characters off limits (Assuming there's some kind of stasis that would help them survive the journey)

Someone linked a blog post that I think was her that mentioned she is a fan of Mass Effect. Though that same post also mentioned a rather "SJW" slanted interpretation of Bioshock: Infinite that seemed to be based on a misunderstanding of the whole series, but I don't think that would really get in the way of a Mass Effect novel.

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Originally, like you, my thoughts centred around the ARKON Project, as a possible theme.

 

However, I got the impression from reading some posts that Jemisin is wearing SJW glasses when she writes her stories. Nothing wrong with that but it's all wrong for a story about the birth of the ARKON Project, its struggles to complete it and its send-off.  Arriving in the Cluster gives her more "writing room", so to speak.

 

In any event, my interests lies on the sci-fi side and the mission mandate. I'm much less interested in delving into the colonists' personal social/class struggles.

[TheN7Penguin]

Geology rocks.

[Draining Dragon]

Geology rocks.

Get out.