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[Heimdall]

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Originally, like you, my thoughts centred around the ARKON Project, as a possible theme.

However, I got the impression from reading some posts that Jemisin is wearing SJW glasses when she writes her stories. Nothing wrong with that but it's all wrong for a story about the birth of the ARKON Project, its struggles to complete it and its send-off. Arriving in the Cluster gives her more "writing room", so to speak.

In any event, my interests lies on the sci-fi side and the mission mandate. I'm much less interested in delving into the colonists' personal social/class struggles.

Some authors can put their ideological lens aside when they write, that's what some in this thread have said of her, so I'll reserve judgement.

[TheN7Penguin]

Get out.

Don't expect Geologists to be perfect. We have faults.  We're still Gneiss people, though.

[The dead fish]

What is SJW writting ? Having non hetero main characters and dark ? 

[Heimdall]

What is SJW writting ? Having non hetero main characters and dark ?

Personally, I would only call a work "SJW" if it was an ideological piece that waxed on hierarchies and demonized people in a position of perceived privilege.

I haven't actually encountered a work like that, but it helps to have a definition in my head if I ever do. And identify those that don't fit it.

The only thing that comes close would be something like the way the new ghost busters movie's primary selling point is the gender swap of the characters, but I just think that's a bit exploitative.

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

Don't expect Geologists to be perfect. We have faults.  We're still Gneiss people, though.

What a load of schist. The only thing good about geologists is that they know what makes the bedrock.

[Evamitchelle]

 
Finally an actually informative post about her work, thank you.
 
So, I guess I wasn't quite so wrong when I said that she was probably inexperienced with Sci-Fi - as some tried to claim before. Eh?

 

Fifth Season feels a lot more science-y than most fantasy novels already, and there's quite a lot of overlap between fantasy and sci-fi. Plenty of writers have found success in both genres (Daniel Abraham, Lois McMaster Bujold, Ursula K. LeGuin, even Sanderson plans to go full space opera with the next Mistborn series). Prior experience with fantasy definitely makes me feel more confident at her ability to pull off space opera than if she'd been a mystery writer.  

 

Also if anyone's interested in what her writing style's like she's got the first two chapters of The Fifth Season on her website.

[Sartoz]

Some authors can put their ideological lens aside when they write, that's what some in this thread have said of her, so I'll reserve judgement.

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Fair enough.

[Sartoz]

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The only thing that comes close would be something like the way the new ghost busters movie's primary selling point is the gender swap of the characters, but I just think that's a bit exploitative.

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A perfect example of the Pendulum Theory. You go from one extreme to the other (ie: gender swap).

[The dead fish]

Personally, I would only call a work "SJW" if it was an ideological piece that waxed on hierarchies and demonized people in a position of perceived privilege.

I haven't actually encountered a work like that, but it helps to have a definition in my head if I ever do. And identify those that don't fit it.

The only thing that comes close would be something like the way the new ghost busters movie's primary selling point is the gender swap of the characters, but I just think that's a bit exploitative.

 

Thank you, I quite understand better your definition than what I read before.

 

There what I read : 

 

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As for the 'social justice' elements, they're definitely there: most of the main characters are black or brown, there's a pretty major trans character and a polyamorous relationship between two men and a woman. But given how different the world is to begin with, it didn't feel forced at all to me, though I guess YMMV.  

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Someone literally said that it was SJW writting simply because the main characters weren't hetero and white. What a weird way of judging writting and a novel. There is definitely something wrong to me there. 

[Heimdall]

Thank you, I quite understand better your definition than what I read before.

There what I read :

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As for the 'social justice' elements, they're definitely there: most of the main characters are black or brown, there's a pretty major trans character and a polyamorous relationship between two men and a woman. But given how different the world is to begin with, it didn't feel forced at all to me, though I guess YMMV.
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Someone literally said that it was SJW writting simply because the main characters weren't hetero and white. What a weird way of judging writting and a novel. There is definitely something wrong to me there.

Well, inclusiveness is typically part of the 'social justice' set of goals. It's a good thing, but not without consequence. One of the unfortunate byproducts of turning inclusiveness into a political goal is that the inclusion of those groups that need including is then often seen not as a stylistic or personal choice by a creator, but instead a deliberate political statement. To some, a writer who includes many such characters then seems to be motivated more by politics than the desire to create a good story, hence application of the SJW label.

That's my take anyway.

[LPPrince]

I'm not trusting a Bioware IP-based novel coming from someone outside of Bioware after Deception. Eww. But then I don't know this author and what they can do, so good luck with that. We at least were warned ahead of time with Dietz.

[Evamitchelle]

 

Thank you, I quite understand better your definition than what I read before.

 

There what I read : 

 

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As for the 'social justice' elements, they're definitely there: most of the main characters are black or brown, there's a pretty major trans character and a polyamorous relationship between two men and a woman. But given how different the world is to begin with, it didn't feel forced at all to me, though I guess YMMV.  

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Someone literally said that it was SJW writting simply because the main characters weren't hetero and white. What a weird way of judging writting and a novel. There is definitely something wrong to me there. 

 

 

I didn't use the term SJW, and there's a reason I put social justice in quotes. I've seen many posters here argue that Jemisin is more concerned about political correctness and social justice than good writing, what I meant by my post was that the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. 

[Andrew Lucas]

Oh man, don't even mention that piece of dog garbage that is the new Ghostbusters. Sighs.

[TheN7Penguin]

What a load of schist. The only thing good about geologists is that they know what makes the bedrock.

 

No fracking way. You're just jealous that geologists can ask women "show me your cleavage" without getting slapped.

[CosmicGnosis]

What happened to Deception exactly? Like, why didn't the author understand what he was writing about, and how did BioWare not catch any of the problems until after release?

[straykat]

What happened to Deception exactly? Like, why didn't the author understand what he was writing about, and how did BioWare not catch any of the problems until after release?

 

I don't know... it kind of reminds me how a lot of those old airport and pulp fiction stories were written back in the day.

 

Some writers had like.. this little "wheel" thingy that you could spin and it had an arrow that would land on different stock characters and plot points. And they'd just write some story around whatever it landed on. They'd get paid by the word, so they'd push out a lot of these stories.

[JPVNG]

Xbox live players only, I'll think you'll find. So no majority at all.

I think it´s a known and accepted fact, most players were male and paragon style. But if you say there is no majority, i ll have to respect your opinion even not understanding it.

[BSpud]

 
Finally an actually informative post about her work, thank you.
 
So, I guess I wasn't quite so wrong when I said that she was probably inexperienced with Sci-Fi - as some tried to claim before. Eh?
 

 
I certainly didn't see anyone opposing those comments, there was only agreement and wide eyed worship for a relatively unknown writer,

that everyone was hard pressed to find any kind of connection between her and Sci-Fi.

 

From this specific thread, I got the distinct feeling that this forum is one of those echo chambers, where there is one opinion to bring them all, in darkness to bind them.

 

Good God, get off your ****** cross already. Persistent whining about SJWs is more insufferable than actual SJWs.

[TheN7Penguin]

I'm a male, who plays as a renegade female. Renegade males just seem like stupid assholes. They don't have the same psychopathic/angry tone as renegade femshep.

[straykat]

I'm a male, who plays as a renegade female. Renegade males just seem like stupid assholes. They don't have the same psychopathic/angry tone as renegade femshep.

 

They're all psychotic in ME3.

 

They're all cool in ME2.

 

ME1 is just corny... And Meer is too Canadian there to be psycho.

[TheN7Penguin]

I disagree. A male renegade Shepard still sounds dumb to me. And, you know, renegade males Shepard makes me feel like the biggest dick ever, whereas renegade femshep is a cold hearted ******, which is infinitely better.

[straykat]

Is there any less dickish way to electrocute some guy behind his back?

[TheN7Penguin]

Is there any less dickish way to electrocute some guy behind his back?

 

Yes. Be a female.

[straykat]

I'm equal opportunity

[TheN7Penguin]

I'm not saying that females CAN'T be ducks, but renegade femshep just isn't one.