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[bunch1]

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A year ago,Bioware confirmed that Shepard was originally supposed to be a woman,they changed it later when they decided to let the player decides the gender,so yeah,femshep is the true Shep.

 

and back to "some guy against Shepard" thread,I'm still not convinced that someone could be able to defeat Shep.

Shepard killed thousands of Geth,Racchini,Cerberus soldiers,Mercs and even Reapers.

Hell,depending on the actions you take,Shep can even kill Wrex,Kaidan or Ashley with no effort.

Maybe characters like Samara or Javik could be able to give Shep a bad time,but I still can't see them beating her.

That artical states that shepard was always suppose to be male female so the fact that they started with the woman body for testing doesn't mean anything.  Again, all promotional material for ME1 and ME2 uses mShep and ME3 uses both mShep and fShep so you can't really say she is cannon.

 

As for anyone being able to beat Shep again.  Lore wise yes any one with a gun could beat shep in the right situation.  And if we go by game-play then are you saying you never died in all 3 games?  Have you ever played on hardcore or insanity?  You are going to die at times and theirs nothing you can do about that but learn to do it better.  Lore wise shep just gets it right the first time but that doesn't mean s/he can't make a mistake like any other human and get blown away be a geth colossus or krogan battlemaster or any other foe they face.

[aoibhealfae]

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A year ago,Bioware confirmed that Shepard was originally supposed to be a woman,they changed it later when they decided to let the player decides the gender,so yeah,femshep is the true Shep.

 

and back to "some guy against Shepard" thread,I'm still not convinced that someone could be able to defeat Shep.

Shepard killed thousands of Geth,Racchini,Cerberus soldiers,Mercs and even Reapers.

Hell,depending on the actions you take,Shep can even kill Wrex,Kaidan or Ashley with no effort.

Maybe characters like Samara or Javik could be able to give Shep a bad time,but I still can't see them beating her.

 

They always have male and female protagonists from all their past games, Shepard is always meant to be both gender. They tested FemShep's animations using the tools they use for Jade Empire while they create a whole new mocap just for BroShep. They invest a lot for BroShep than they did on FemShep and BroShep have been the promotional face of Mass Effect for years. Still doesn't mean they think Shepard is canonical female. The only female canon protagonist is the Exile Meetra Surik and yet even that wasn't exactly Bioware's and they killed her off almost immediately.

 

Plot-armored protagonist. Doesn't mean anything.

 

 

It was never stated that vanilla Shepard is a pure paragon. If you stick to the default character in every game he is John Shepard, Earthborn Sole Survivor Soldier with Vanderloo face. He is renegon.

Anderson: He was raised on the streets. Learned to look out for himself.
Hackett: He saw his whole unit die on Akuze. He could have some serious emotional scars.
Anderson: Every soldier has scars. Shepard's a survivor.
Udina: Is that the kind of person we want protecting the galaxy?
Anderson: It's the only kind of person who CAN protect the galaxy.

 

This is what I said "John Shepard, the vanilla Paragon Soldier-class Spacer War Hero. ". When I say vanilla paragon, it meant the 100% pure-hearted idealistic heroic archetype, not the default you choose when you start the game. And I did say Spacer War Hero in that, which is again, not the default.

 

But say if the canon is really the default and is really Earthborn/SS, do you really think a guy who spend his entire childhood being miserable and treated like disposable trash and left to be rot at the streets and desperately want to get out of the place by joining the military would eventually care about saving the planet and its people? And would an uneducated fresh-faced Earthling who never been outside Sol system until he was 18 would be prepared to survive for days alone on a desolated alien planet with no food and shelter and hazardous terrain and probably barely breathable atmosphere and likely injured as well... does he need plot armoring for this as well?

[Lightning-Lucan]

Liara T'soni of course

[BloodyMares]

But say if the canon is really the default and is really Earthborn/SS, do you really think a guy who spend his entire childhood being miserable and treated like disposable trash and left to be rot at the streets and desperately want to get out of the place by joining the military would eventually care about saving the planet and its people? And would an uneducated fresh-faced Earthling who never been outside Sol system until he was 18 would be prepared to survive for days alone on a desolated alien planet with no food and shelter and hazardous terrain and probably barely breathable atmosphere and likely injured as well... does he need plot armoring for this as well?

That's what makes his character interesting. He's not a stereotypical saint hero that exists only in fiction. The fact that he went through a lot of trouble in life and against all odds makes it to his position establishes how strong his character really is, both physically and mentally ("You're remarkably strong-willed, Commander" - Liara). It makes him realistic. Nobody understands how harsh life can be but a person who went through it. Nobody understands the value of life but a person who went through hell and saw his friends die. He may not have a heart of gold or a strong morality but he desires justice for people more than anybody. This background gives Shepard complexity and that's what I like about it and it makes total sense that Bioware would make him their default character. I hope I explained my reasoning. Though diving into what character has a better background doesn't contribute to this topic.

[TheN7Penguin]

Colonist ruthless is my canon. Well, for femshep at least.

[Atomkick]

Aria T'Loak imo.

 

[MrStoob]

Liara T'soni of course

That'd be unfair.  Shepard isn't a waifu wife beater.  

[ui876will]

That artical states that shepard was always suppose to be male female so the fact that they started with the woman body for testing doesn't mean anything.  Again, all promotional material for ME1 and ME2 uses mShep and ME3 uses both mShep and fShep so you can't really say she is cannon.

 

As for anyone being able to beat Shep again.  Lore wise yes any one with a gun could beat shep in the right situation.  And if we go by game-play then are you saying you never died in all 3 games?  Have you ever played on hardcore or insanity?  You are going to die at times and theirs nothing you can do about that but learn to do it better.  Lore wise shep just gets it right the first time but that doesn't mean s/he can't make a mistake like any other human and get blown away be a geth colossus or krogan battlemaster or any other foe they face.

 

They always have male and female protagonists from all their past games, Shepard is always meant to be both gender. They tested FemShep's animations using the tools they use for Jade Empire while they create a whole new mocap just for BroShep. They invest a lot for BroShep than they did on FemShep and BroShep have been the promotional face of Mass Effect for years. Still doesn't mean they think Shepard is canonical female. The only female canon protagonist is the Exile Meetra Surik and yet even that wasn't exactly Bioware's and they killed her off almost immediately.

 

Plot-armored protagonist. Doesn't mean anything.

1 - It doesn't change the fact that nowadays,Bioware is investing more on a femshep than a maleShep.

Bioware's Twitter confirmed once that Shep is originally a female,and that's why they called Jannifer Hale to voice Shepard in the N7 day 2015 video.Earlier,their concern was to make a male character,but nowadays they are trying to make people forget that they once made Shep to be a male.So yeah,Shep is a woman.

 

2 - Nothing changes the fact that no one was able to stop Shepard during all 3 games,not her friends and not the enemies as well.

Shepard defeated at least 2 Spectres,dozens of Krogan Warlords and even Wrex! motherfckuing Wrex!

Pardon me if I'm being stupid,but,no,no one can beat Shep....

[BloodyMares]

2 - Nothing changes the fact that no one was able to stop Shepard during all 3 games,not her friends and not the enemies as well.

Shepard defeated at least 2 Spectres,dozens of Krogan Warlords and even Wrex! motherfckuing Wrex!

Pardon me if I'm being stupid,but,no,no one can beat Shep....

You make the same arguments as Batman fans: "Because he's Batman." or "Because he's Commander Shepard" in this case. Yeah. Shepard is tough but not invincible. Shepard could die many times throughout the trilogy if it wasn't for his allies or other plot conveniences. Hell, Shepard even died and he would've stayed that way if plot didn't require him to be alive. His every win was a team effort (exceptions are his backstory and Arrival DLC). He survived the Suicide Mission because of his squad. I would as much say that Kaidan alone could bring Shepard down if he really wanted to. I don't count Citadel encounter because it was a plot device. Liara could beat Shepard, Samara and Jack could easily beat Shepard, Miranda probably could beat Shepard, Javik would most likely beat Shepard. Basically anyone can beat Shepard if they work together and aren't stupid. And obviously Mr. Plotbender Kai Lame can beat Shepard because he make Shepard act like an idiot.

[ui876will]

You make the same arguments as Batman fans: "Because he's Batman." or "Because he's Commander Shepard" in this case. Yeah. Shepard is tough but not invincible. Shepard could die many times throughout the trilogy if it wasn't for his allies or other plot conveniences. Hell, Shepard even died and he would've stayed that way if plot didn't require him to be alive. His every win was a team effort (exceptions are his backstory and Arrival DLC). He survived the Suicide Mission because of his squad. I would as much say that Kaidan alone could bring Shepard down if he really wanted to. I don't count Citadel encounter because it was a plot device. Liara could beat Shepard, Samara and Jack could easily beat Shepard, Miranda probably could beat Shepard, Javik would most likely beat Shepard. Basically anyone can beat Shepard if they work together and aren't stupid. And obviously Mr. Plotbender Kai Lame can beat Shepard because he make Shepard act like an idiot.

The way you see,Illusive Man was the dumbest guy to ever exist if he spent so much money to bring back a "regular badass" like Shepard,since even Miranda is strong enough to probably outclass Shep.

Shepard is lucky,yeah.Could have died a lot of different ways?sure.

But she is different,and showed that by always surviving against impossible odds and beating extremely overpowered enemies.Maybe it's because plot is always at her favor the same way DC Comics editors are always favouring Batman,or she is as lucky as Master Chief from Halo,that always survived dozens or even hundreds of suicide missions where no one besides him made it out alive.

But either way,it's easy to say that Shepard is different than any other character from Mass Effect,and I definitely doubt that someone would be strong (or favored) enough to beat her.

[bunch1]

1 - It doesn't change the fact that nowadays,Bioware is investing more on a femshep than a maleShep.

Bioware's Twitter confirmed once that Shep is originally a female,and that's why they called Jannifer Hale to voice Shepard in the N7 day 2015 video.Earlier,their concern was to make a male character,but nowadays they are trying to make people forget that they once made Shep to be a male.So yeah,Shep is a woman.

So your saying that for ME1 and ME2 mShep is the cannon but for ME3 fShep is cannon?  Then 2 out of 3 still means mShep is more cannonical then fShep.

The way you see,Illusive Man was the dumbest guy to ever exist if he spent so much money to bring back a "regular badass" like Shepard,since even Miranda is strong enough to probably outclass Shep.

Shepard is lucky,yeah.Could have died a lot of different ways?sure.

But she is different,and showed that by always surviving against impossible odds and beating extremely overpowered enemies.Maybe it's because plot is always at her favor the same way DC Comics editors are always favouring Batman,or she is as lucky as Master Chief from Halo,that always survived dozens or even hundreds of suicide missions where no one besides him made it out alive.

But either way,it's easy to say that Shepard is different than any other character from Mass Effect,and I definitely doubt that someone would be strong (or favored) enough to beat her.

Shepard ask IM at the start of ME2 why bring them back instead of raising an army because that would make more sense.  IM responds that the reason to bring back Shepard isn't because of what they can do, but because they are a symbol.

 

And just to remind you, you can win ME2 with Shepard dying on the suicide mission and that save will not import into ME3.  Their is no hand wave get around, the commander died and if you want to play ME3 you have to do something else.

[BloodyMares]

So your saying that for ME1 and ME2 mShep is the cannon but for ME3 fShep is cannon?  Then 2 out of 3 still means mShep is more cannonical then fShep.

Shepard ask IM at the start of ME2 why bring them back instead of raising an army because that would make more sense.  IM responds that the reason to bring back Shepard isn't because of what they can do, but because they are a symbol.

What symbol does Shepard represent? In the first game he is only the first human Spectre. Yes, he stopped Saren and saved many lives but the main thing remains: He is a Spectre and everything Spectre does is classified so it means nobody knows about his adventures, just his squad, the locals and the Council with Udina/Anderson. So I have no idea how did TIM figure out what we accomplished (probably read the plot as usual). Colonists on Feros know that he freed them from the Thorian and saved them from the Geth, people on Noveria know nothing at all because Benezia's activities were secret, Therum was completely deserted aside from Liara. Virmire didn't have any locals at all and we were destroying everything.

Defeat of the Sovereign? Shepard merely helped (along with his squad). He fought his dead Saren avatar and it interfered with Sovereign's functionality but nobody knows about the correlation. Everybody knows that human fleet was able to destroy the Reaper so humans should be the new symbol as a Council species. You may argue that Shepard is a new symbol for humanity. But still, only for a handful of people (Anderson, Hackett, Normandy's crew) and that's it. So I really don't understand why did Cerberus decide that Shepard was worth being brought back to life aside from plot reasons.

[bunch1]

Why symbol does Shepard represent? In the first game he is only the first human Spectre. Yes, he stopped Saren and saved many lives but the main thing remains: He is a Spectre and everything Spectre does is classified so it means nobody knows about his adventures, just his squad, the locals and the Council with Udina/Anderson. So I have no idea how did TIM figure out what we accomplished (probably read the plot as usual). Colonists on Feros know that he freed them from the Thorian and saved them from the Geth, people on Noveria know nothing at all because Benezia's activities were secret, Therum was completely deserted aside from Liara. Virmire didn't have any locals at all and we were destroying everything.

Defeat of the Sovereign? Shepard merely helped (along with his squad). He fought his dead Saren avatar and it interfered with Sovereign's functionality but nobody knows about the correlation. Everybody knows that human fleet was able to destroy the Reaper so humans should be the new symbol as a Council species. You may argue that Shepard is a new symbol for humanity. But still, only for a handful of people (Anderson, Hackett, Normandy's crew) and that's it. So I really don't understand why did Cerberus decide that Shepard was worth being brought back to life aside from plot reasons.

Shepard was made Spectre in a public and open council session so their were a lot of people who knew about their appointment.  This is why the commander is approached for an interview after one of their missions by Khalisah al-Jilani, she ask about his current assignment afterall so she knows and everyone who hears or reads her story will know and every other media outlet will pick it up and run with how a human got into such an elite group.  As for what they represent, Shepard is the first human to be considered as an equal among the big 3.  Prior to his/her appointment only council races were represent in the Spectres so Shepard represents the advancement of humanity among the great races of the galaxy.  A symbol that humanity can do anything that the other races can despite being the fngs everywhere they go.

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[iM3GTR]

So I really don't understand why did Cerberus decide that Shepard was worth being brought back to life aside from plot reasons.

Because "hero" and "bloody icon".

[Barquiel]

The Krogan Battlemaster at the end of Therum
The Vorcha Flamer that's just around the corner guarding one of the shutters in Garrus' recruitment mission

They regularly stopped my Shepards (fortunately, she has the power of the reload )

[Monica21]

The Vorcha Flamer that's just around the corner guarding one of the shutters in Garrus' recruitment mission

I HATE that guy.

[MrFob]

Well, you know how it goes: You can fight like a krogan, run like leopard ....

[KaiserShep]

The Krogan Battlemaster at the end of Therum
The Vorcha Flamer that's just around the corner guarding one of the shutters in Garrus' recruitment mission

They regularly stopped my Shepards (fortunately, she has the power of the reload )

 

 

Those clowns are in for a treat when NG+ Shepard, with the kung fu grip bonus ability comes back to kill them again.

[Iakus]

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A year ago,Bioware confirmed that Shepard was originally supposed to be a woman,they changed it later when they decided to let the player decides the gender,so yeah,femshep is the true Shep.

 

and back to "some guy against Shepard" thread,I'm still not convinced that someone could be able to defeat Shep.

Shepard killed thousands of Geth,Racchini,Cerberus soldiers,Mercs and even Reapers.

Hell,depending on the actions you take,Shep can even kill Wrex,Kaidan or Ashley with no effort.

Maybe characters like Samara or Javik could be able to give Shep a bad time,but I still can't see them beating her.

 

Cooper followed up by stating that "I repurposed mocap from Jade Empire. Shepard was always planned to be both male & female after JE's pre-set characters." So, it was always the intended design for players to have full control over their commander, but FemShep was technically the first one made.

 

Bioware has, as far as I know, always allowed both male and female player characters.

 

As to who can beat Shepard:  Mac Walters.

[Farci Reprimer]

Anyone can kill Shepard.

 

Anyone who is lucky enough to get headshot in the midst of battle or take Shepard unaware.

 

Realistically speaking, if you fight to the death different enemies on daily basis it is only a matter of time before someone manages to kill you no matter how tough you are. One beautiful day you run into Someone who manages to be stronger or faster or have some kind of advantage over you or just plain lucky or all those four at the same time.

 

Think of it in numbers if you will. Lets say an awesome spaceshooter like Shepard has always about 91% change of killing his/her enemies and making out alive on tough situations.

That doesnt mean those small 9% cant happen at any time and at any place. Anyone can be killed stupidly and needleslly.

 

Like Geralt of Rivia in the Witcher books got eventually killed by young frightened boy with a pitchfork who happened to be lucky.

 

Only possible way to grow old as a fighter is to assume anyone or anything can kill you.

 

Only reason Shepard got alive from every situation is because we could re-load his save file if he/she got killed.

[Monica21]

Anyone can kill Shepard.

The other day I wasn't paying attention to my radar on Garrus' recruitment mission, and got mauled to death by a Varren. It's up there as one of my most embarrassing deaths.

[Beerfish]

[ui876will]

Luck is a very important factor guys,let's also remember it!

Shepard had a lot of luck for a very long time,but that's not the main reason she was brought back to life.

Her training and skills are above almost every living creature in the galaxy,combining that with luck...well...You already know what happens.

To say Shep is like any other human soldier is like saying that Vassily Zaitsev is like any other Soviet soldier that fought in the Second WW,completely ignoring the fact that he was a "hero" and a "bloody icon" heavily prepared and well trained to face any regular troopers and commandos of the powerful Wehrmacht.

He had help? Sure,but he helped much more than he was helped,and that's why he became a legend,because he was diferent than any other soldier,even if he was just a human like them.

Being stronger is almost irrelevant,training and luck are the most important skills a soldier must have.

[Ahriman]

If we drop Schrodinger's biotic and weapon skills Shepard has:

- Super Strength (enough to beat a yahg, not sure if even an average krogan could deal with them)

- Resistance to physical damage and poisons as well as improved regeneration.

- Better than average reaction. Probably worse than of Kai Lame, but still top notch.

- Mind control. Whether he uses it or not, he gets this ability after pact with leviathans.

So one on one - probably none. But a proper ambush without a way to retreat would do the trick.

[Drone223]

Anyone can kill Shepard  if they can line up a good shot or get the jump on him/her. As some have said before the only reason why Shepard managed to survive so long was because of luck.