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[ZipZap2000]

What the **** is this **** by Dr Seuss

I've been sick for days. This brightens things up in ways you don't realise.

Thank you.

[serviteur de femto]

You had me at SJW licking the *ss of feminazis.



Breeding request accepted!

 

Oh come here you cute boy... 

[SKAR]

You had me at SJW licking the *ss of feminazis.



Breeding request accepted!

dat nasty. Say Krogan, do you have any Asari babes you could hook me up with?

[ZipZap2000]

No.

[SKAR]

No.

darn.

[SardaukarElite]

People will fight over anything in YouTube comments, so I'm not sure why this needs to be dredged up again.

 

That said, if you're looking to the next game's marketing for a final farewell to a character with a trilogy of games something has gone seriously wrong. 

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

I felt that using femshep's voice along with the line at then end, "This is Commander Shepard signing off", was an attempt to relate her to Ellen Ripley.

[straykat]

I felt that using femshep's voice along with the line at then end, "This is Commander Shepard signing off", was an attempt to relate her to Ellen Ripley.

 

Ripley will never sign off or die.

 

Not really at least.

[UpUpAway]

Gah... and people here have accused me of over-analyzing things.  I think they are just alternating male and female PCs in their trailers.  The E3 trailer was a male PC, the N7 Day trailer was femshep, who knows... Mark Meer might be doing some voice work for the next trailer.

[serviteur de femto]

I felt that using femshep's voice along with the line at then end, "This is Commander Shepard signing off", was an attempt to relate her to Ellen Ripley.

 

Maybe, but that is an interpretation, and even then, the presence of a maleshep trailer would not undermine that, ripley is a character before being a woman, same for femshep.

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

Ripley will never sign off or die.

 

Not really at least.

I meant this bit:

 

"This is Ripley, last survivor of the Nostromo, signing off"

 

[serviteur de femto]

Gah... and people here have accused me of over-analyzing things.  I think they are just alternating male and female PCs in their trailers.  The E3 trailer was a male PC, the N7 Day trailer was femshep, who knows... Mark Meer might be doing some voice work for the next trailer.

 

In the teaser of the E3 2015, that was NOT the main character of MEA it has been confirmed.

[straykat]

I remember that part.

 

But I mean, even then, she came back (albeit in a horrifying state).

 

And now she's apparently in this new one in the works..

[SKAR]

I'm all for a strong female protagonist. But I also believe equality is key. What I'm saying is that bioware should appeal to both male and female. Not just focusing on one.

[straykat]

In the teaser of the E3 2015, that was NOT the main character of MEA it has been confirmed.

 

It was Conrad Verner, spreading the gospel of the Shepard. The new galaxy didn't take it very well. We're sent to retrieve him.

[serviteur de femto]

I meant this bit:

 

 

Yeah I kinda see that but let's remember that when marc walters wrote those original endings he was rushed, so I doubt he thought symbolysm of alien 3 when he wrote that. More like jesus symbolism at this point.

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

I remember that part.

 

But I mean, even then, she came back (albeit in a horrifying state).

 

And now she's apparently in this new one in the works..

I think Hicks and Newt are back as well.

[serviteur de femto]

It was Conrad Verner, spreading the gospel of the Shepard. The new galaxy didn't take it very well. We're sent to retrieve him.

 

Oh that explains a lot then...

[NKnight7]

I'm all for a strong female protagonist. But I also believe equality is key. What I'm saying is that bioware should appeal to both male and female. Not just focusing on one.

 

This, although I've always had a little more of a bias to femshep just because Jennifer Hale did such a great job with her.

[Donk]

ANALYSIS of the n7 day teaser: maleshep fans vs femshep fans,

(Let me clarify something, this is not an analysis of the content of the N7 day teaser but of the little arguing there was about the maleshep vs femshep fans on the teaser on the N7 day.)

(Sorry for my bad english guys, I hope it will be understandable)

Hello

You could think it’s a bit late for me to come with this month after the facts, but I just want to do it because I wanted it to do it a long time ago, and why not.

And before you say that I am an SJW licking the ass of femonazis or a misogynistic patriarchal macho, I would ask you to plz read until the end before you jump to conclusion because I will probably answer to your question or arguments in this text. And I am serious about that because a lot of time, I have to copy and paste pieces of my first message to people replying and that is painful. Thank you to read until the end before you writes a comments.

You see months before there was N7 day trailer with Jennifer hale narrating it and saying a final goodbye to the ME franchise through this teaser. The teaser itself was good and I have nothing to complain about it, but it was under criticism for some reason and we are going to see if the criticism was legit or not.

Some people were not happy that only femshep was voicing it,

-some says that it should have been maleshep narrating the trailer since the majority of player choose him and that maleshep was the face of the most of the ME trilogy.

- Others that its fine that femshep is the only one doing it because maleshep had most of the attention before.

-And there are people in the middle thinking it should have been narrating by both of them or there should have a trailer for both individual sheppard.

Now there is extremist exists on both side, some saying its only femshep because bioware wants to appease the femonazis and the other talking about the “sweet male tears” for some people complaining over this or whatever…

Like jim sterling said many times, the truth is somewhere in the middle among the discussion (not the insults match).

Legit criticsm or not

Now let’s see why some maleshep fans were upset about this trailer. Some would say it’s because male gamers have difficulty accepting not being catered to, there might be a bit of truth there but I think it’s much more complicated than that.

Let’s take for example another bioware commercial, like the trespasser dlc trailer of dragon age inquisition. In this one there is only a female inquisitor shown. And well, I have never heard a major complaining about that (if you have seen a SIGNIFICANT complaining please show it to me). Same for the trailers “stand together” who only had one version of a female inquisitor there (unless someone wants to show me that there is male version of that).

And even if I cannot find it, I am pretty sure one of the many teasers of ME 3 had only female sheppard in it. But maybe I am wrong. Anyway we have example where the male demographic was not bother when a female character is presented alone in a trailer instead of a male.

So what’s the difference between these teasers and the one of the N7 day?

Why the N7 day teaser did upset people about the absence of maleshep while other teaser did not? Well I would say those trailer are different in nature, like COMPLETELY. The N7 day teaser of 2015 was a final goodbye from commander Sheppard, it was not just a promotional trailer, well it’s half promotional but it’s mostly a tribute to not only space exploration but also the voice actor who worked on that trilogy since 2007.

So it’s more than just the character of sheppard, it’s the actor behind who leave the franchise and tell that to the fanbase. And it’s beyond the characters that the fans played during the trilogy. Many people played with Mark Meer voice and other played with Jennifer hale voice, from that point of view I see why some people are not happy to see their favorite voice actor not getting the opportunity to say goodbye to mass effect.

So here is a point, fans of maleshep have every right to think it’s a bit of a shame that bioware did not allow each voice actor to say goodbye and express their disappointment as long as their expression is not insults, conspiracy theories, misogyny but valid criticsm that rely on facts and arguments.

And for the one saying it would be too expansive to do trailer with both sheppard, remember that It would not require that much resources to ask an actor 4 big lines of dialog. Especially for the N7 day and for a franchise that sells million upon millions of copies. it’s not like they HAVE kurgan from highlander threatening bioware and forcing them to choose between one trailer for maleshep or femshep saying “THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!”…

If the trailer is purely promotional, then there is no problem in making it one gender, that’s fine. But when it is a tribute to a franchise (like this one), and the final adieu of the voice actor, both male and female should get the opportunity to say goodbye to their fans, especially when the resources needed to do it for both is not big.

THAT SAID GUYS,

Remember that you do not deserve a specific trailer just because the majority of the marketing was on maleshep before or that the cover of the first and second mass effect was on maleshep exclusively.

You can say it’s a bit of a shame that maleshep is absent because you are a fan of his character and you are a legitimate customer, and therefore you want equal treatment as the fans of femshep, which is a valid point. But not because most of the players choose maleshep or that the marketing was on him before. Having a special treatment before will never be an argument on ANYTHING.

Canonicity

Then they are the one who says that this teaser make femshep canon, other says that maleshep is canon since he was the face of mass effect since the beginning.

Ok people remember that there are no canon sheppard, being the face of the marketing for most of the trilogy does not make maleshep canon, and being alone in that teaser does not make femshep canon.

And before you bring me that they were draft of the first mass effect and sheppard was supposed to be female only in the first script. It does not mean anything because we don’t judge a game or anything else on what it could have been but on what it is. I will not judge mass effect 3 on the ending drew karpyshyn wrote I am going to judge it on the one we got. The same way I will not judge the movie Cool World on the horror movie it was supposed to be but on the Roger Rabbit’s rip off that it is.

Many game or movies could have been different but we always judge results not the possibilities or what it could have been.

In the end, the marketing being predominantly on maleshep does not make it the real sheppard, the same way being alone narrating the n7 day does not make femshep canon.

In the end

I will answer a question some before people will ask me. IS IT THAT BAD THAT THERE IS ONLY A TRAILER ON FEMSHEP FOR THE N7 DAY?

Nope! It’s not THAT BAD! It’s not going to kill me and it’s not going to ruin the excitement I have for the future of the franchise, and frankly it’s not bothering me that much since the first time I watched this teaser I never even think about the fact that it was femshep instead of maleshep until the little controversy pointed it out. Analysing this might give a better look on the situation.

I just thought posting this would be a good thing since I prepared that like 4-5 month ago, I had a text ready and never got the chance to say it out loud for so many reasons and let’s say I hate when I do efforts for nothing.

However I wanted to tell something to both the fans and Bioware.

Before I leave

BIOWARE,

Remember something when you are making a trailer. You have many customers that are male and female and when they play a trilogy where they get attached to a certain voice actor, I think they deserve to hear them saying goodbye especially if it’s the last time they hear them.

When you are doing a promotional video, you can do it on only one gender if you want, no problem in that, that’s purely promotion and doing both gender with every trailer would ask a lot.

-If you want to do most of the marketing on a female pathfinder for mass effect Andromeda, there is no problem.

But when you are doing this for a final goodbye or a tribute like the N7 day teasers, plz give the opportunity to both voice actors of the player character, if they worked for so many years on your games, I think they earned it.

Just keep that in mind for every other “goodbye” trailer of any of your franchise.

Now FANS of bioware,

(Keep in mind, what I am going to say does not concern every man or woman, just some comments that I have seen)

GIRLS,

If you are saying, “well it happen to us for years and years to not being the target demographic, so suck it male”. Read again the beginning of the text and see why some male fans can be legitimately unhappy about their voice actor not being there. It’s not just one trailer, it’s the final goodbye that both voice actor should get the opportunity to tell their fans, just because an industry was unfair to you does not mean it should start being unfair to someone else especially when it’s that easy to do it for both demographic.

GUYS,

If you say you deserve more attention from the industry simply because you are a guy; remember that just because most of the industry caters to you do not mean you should be the priority. You can ask to be treated equally to any other demographic if you have been there with the franchise since the beginning, sure.

But you cannot ask for special treatment just because you had it before, the same way Jim sterling said in this satire, he laughed at some people complaining about the presence of gay romance in DAI and the simple fact that Bioware decided that straight male, while not ignored by the game, did not deserves more attention than any other demographic: https://www.youtube....h?v=SGeXzM13TY0

Saying “Oh we always had that advantages before so we deserves more attention just because we are more numerous…” Nope it does not work like that and it NEVER WILL. I have seen tons of those comments saying the industry owe something to the male because they are the majority.

EVEN if you can prove most of the video game customer are male, it does not make you entitled to get more attention. Asking for equality is ok, asking for special treatment will never be.

So here it is, I finally said it, it might be late but I just wanted to share this. Anyone is free to disagree with me, but I would really like the conversation to not turn into a war but I have the bad feeling it’s going to be any way. Sorry again for my bad English.

Yawn.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Wasn't the reason Jennifer Hale did it and Mark Meer didn't because she was there doing lines for Krem in DAI, so they had her do it while she was there? 

[serviteur de femto]

Wasn't the reason Jennifer Hale did it and Mark Meer didn't because she was there doing lines for Krem in DAI, so they had her do it while she was there? 

 

I never heard about that, but maybe I missed something, if you can show me a proof of that I would love to see it.

 

Even then Meer did made additional voice in dragon age inquisition, so he was there too.

[Bowlcuts]

>opens thread

 

>sees Liara avatar with wall of text

 

>leaves thread

[UpUpAway]

In the teaser of the E3 2015, that was NOT the main character of MEA it has been confirmed.

 

Maybe not the PC in the game itself, but it was a male "principal character" in the trailer itself... that is, no female character was shown in that trailer.  So, the next trailer features a female voice - Commander Shepard is not the main character of MEA either.  Certainly, the whole thing is not worth starting a gender war over.

[serviteur de femto]

>opens thread

 

>sees Liara avatar and FemShep with wall of text

 

>leaves thread

 

Since when women are the only one allowed to love Liara? If you took the efforts to read you would realised  its a criticsm of extremist on both sides but whatever...