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[Hanako Ikezawa]

I never heard about that, but maybe I missed something, if you can show me a proof of that I would love to see it.

 

Even then Meer did made additional voice in dragon age inquisition, so he was there too.

It's probably just a fan theory, but it makes sense since Trespasser came out a couple months before and Jennifer Hale was in that whereas I don't think Mark Meer was. So it could have been a case of, "Oh, Mrs. Hale. While you're here, can you read these lines please?" 

 

I think the best way would have been to either have two versions or have someone other than Shepard do the narration, like say Admiral Hackett. 

 

Maybe not the PC in the game itself, but it was a male "principal character" in the trailer itself... that is, no female character was shown in that trailer.  So, the next trailer features a female voice - Commander Shepard is not the main character of MEA either.  Certainly, the whole thing is not worth starting a gender war over.

You mean other than the female human running right next to DuncaN7? 

[serviteur de femto]

Maybe not the PC in the game itself, but it was a male "principal character" in the trailer itself... that is, no female character was shown in that trailer.  So, the next trailer features a female voice - Commander Shepard is not the main character of MEA either.  Certainly, the whole thing is not worth starting a gender war over.

 

Well I am pretty sure there is a female krogan in the first teaser,

 

but like I said, when its a promotional trailer it can be on one gender but its different than when its a tribute, read again my first message.

 

A promotional trailer can be on one gender (only female if bioware wishes it, not a problem at all), a final goodbye should be on both main characters.

[SardaukarElite]

I think the best way would have been to either have two versions or have someone other than Shepard do the narration, like say Admiral Hackett. 

 

Double trailers always strikes me as clumsy, but more Lance Henriksen seems like a good idea. 

[UpUpAway]

It's probably just a fan theory, but it makes sense since Trespasser came out a couple months before and Jennifer Hale was in that whereas I don't think Mark Meer was. So it could have been a case of, "Oh, Mrs. Hale. While you're here, can you read these lines please?" 

 

I think the best way would have been to either have two versions or have someone other than Shepard do the narration, like say Admiral Hackett. 

 

You mean other than the female human running right next to DuncaN7? 

 

"Pincipal"  or "featured" - satisfied?  As I said... for all we know, Mark Meer may be doing voice work for the next ME:A trailer.  At any rate... I certainly can't be accused of over-analyzing this one... I'll leave that to you all.  Carry on... I'm outa here.

[LightningPoodle]

Maybe, but that is an interpretation, and even then, the presence of a maleshep trailer would not undermine that, ripley is a character before being a woman, same for femshep.

Actually, Ripley as a character holds high regard within cinema BECAUSE she is a woman. In this case, that can't be overlooked.

As for the trailers, it's entirely possible that Mark just wasn't able to do it. I think however that it just wouldn't have made sense. Jennifer is giving a speech. The speech would begin losing it's impact as soon as you start sharing it line by line with another.

Producing two trailers would have gotten around that, but then you are just spending money to appease which is ALWAYS a bad idea. You give people a sense of equality (people on the internet) and as soon as it's taken away, the fires spread once again. It's just not good financially to produce two of everything to better relations with the "social justice warriors."

[serviteur de femto]

It's probably just a fan theory, but it makes sense since Trespasser came out a couple months before and Jennifer Hale was in that whereas I don't think Mark Meer was. So it could have been a case of, "Oh, Mrs. Hale. While you're here, can you read these lines please?" 

 

I think the best way would have been to either have two versions or have someone other than Shepard do the narration, like say Admiral Hackett. 

 

You mean other than the female character running right next to DuncaN7? 

 

Sure, but I doubt that the reason why there is only femshep is a convenience of schedule, but maybe...

 

they have only recently realised the importance of the fanbase, if only they knew the power of the fanservice, join me and together we will rule the franchise as... (oh sorry wrong saga)

[serviteur de femto]

Double trailers always strikes me as clumsy, but more Lance Henriksen seems like a good idea. 

 

So when bioware made "retake earth" for both sheppard it was clumsy?

[SardaukarElite]

So when bioware made "retake earth" for both sheppard it was clumsy?

 

Yes. 

[serviteur de femto]

Actually, Ripley as a character holds high regard within cinema BECAUSE she is a woman. In this case, that can't be overlooked.

As for the trailers, it's entirely possible that Mark just wasn't able to do it. I think however that it just wouldn't have made sense. Jennifer is giving a speech. The speech would begin losing it's impact as soon as you start sharing it line by line with another.

Producing two trailers would have gotten around that, but then you are just spending money to appease which is ALWAYS a bad idea. You give people a sense of equality (people on the internet) and as soon as it's taken away, the fires spread once again. It's just not good financially to produce two of everything to better relations with the "social justice warriors."

 

I don't agree, the fallout 4 was trailer narrated by both survivor and it does not lose anything by being shared : 

 

And the money? How much money do you think it would cost to ask meer to do 4 lines? Not that much let's agree on that. And the people will eventually spread the fire.

 

And like I said, they don't spread the fire with every trailer, they did not complain for the tresspasser dlc or the stand together trailer for DAI, only for the final goodbye of sheppard.

 

That is the only exception where there should be a teaser for both.

[serviteur de femto]

Yes. 

 

But don't you think the femshep fan won something when bioware did that? I mean we got a new trailer with a Iconic character! I think in some ways its a victory that should be congratulated.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Double trailers always strikes me as clumsy, but more Lance Henriksen seems like a good idea. 

You can never have too much Lance Henriksen. 

[serviteur de femto]

You can never have too much Lance Henriksen. 

 

Indeed! 

[ZipZap2000]

You can never have too much Lance Henriksen.

Agreed.

Lance Henriksen voice for LI.

[serviteur de femto]

Agreed.

Lance Henriksen voice for LI.

 

definately, I am straight but that does not make me unable to recognize a sexy manly voice... 

[SardaukarElite]

But don't you think the femshep fan won something when bioware did that? I mean we got a new trailer with a Iconic character! I think in some ways its a victory that should be congratulated.

 

You're assuming I believe more than what I've said. I'm all for better representation of women in games and in their marketing. I also think that having two versions of the same trailer is generally kind of silly. Trailers attract attention, having to pick which one suits you better gets in the way of that, and watching basically the same thing twice is the pursuit of someone who already really likes the game.

 

Beyond that, gender choice is part of the broader feature of a player defined protagonist. We don't just have the choice of Shepard's gender but their looks and personality (to a point). Having iconic Shepards at all strikes me as clumsy, it undersells a distinguishing feature of the game. If they're going to draw attention to gender I'd rather they emphasis the whole of character customization. 

[serviteur de femto]

You're assuming I believe more than what I've said. I'm all for better representation of women in games and in their marketing. I also think that having two versions of the same trailer is generally kind of silly. Trailers attract attention, having to pick which one suits you better gets in the way of that, and watching basically the same thing twice is the pursuit of someone who already really likes the game.

 

Beyond that, gender choice is part of the broader feature of a player defined protagonist. We don't just have the choice of Shepard's gender but their looks and personality (to a point). Having iconic Shepards at all strikes me as clumsy, it undersells a distinguishing feature of the game. If they're going to draw attention to gender I'd rather they emphasis the whole of character customization. 

 

Ok but again that would be for promotional trailer, tribute teaser are different like I explained in my first message and cannot be compared.

 

There is a difference between voice actor saying goodbye to his character and franchise, and a trailer purely made for promotion on an upcoming game.

[Grieving Natashina]

I do agree that there should be examples voices for both male and female PCs in fully fledged trailers. Without a doubt and I'd frankly be disappointed if the first official trailer didn't show both or at least have two trailers. One male PC and one female. It's a great chance to show off the CC, bits of the armor/gear as well as some cinematics. I'm all for it. Plus, I'm critical of the hairstyles and I'd like to know what I might be getting into for both genders.
_{Please no 12 different kinds of shaved with sideburns that you can't toggle off. Oh and don't forget the male pattern baldness. Ugh. Anyways...}

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Yes, they could have included both and they probably should have for the goodbye video. It would have been a nice touch, but it isn't like it's an official trailer promoting the game.

I guess don't see what the big deal is. It's not like it's a full promotion for the next game. I felt it was more of a confirmation to more causal fans (read: not on a fan forum) that this isn't Shepard's story. That their story was over and a new adventure was about to begin. They showed what might be footage from ME:A (the cockpit,) but otherwise it was a montage of NASA footage.

As a few posters pointed out, Mark Meer might not have been available. Good VAs tend to work all the time, and sometimes it's not that easy to schedule a session. I honestly think it was probably as simple as that. I don't think it was intended to be any sort of "agenda" or message on BioWare's part.

Look, if they do a trailer or two at E-Play and neither has a male character, then you can claim there is an unbalance. It wouldn't be a bad idea to do a male PC trailer after FemShep did the tribute.

In the meantime, try to breathe and relax. Ignore the youtube comments. Youtube tends to attract the mouth breathers that have nothing to do but gripe and troll for their comments. Let that wash over you, laugh at them and you'll find you'll likely feel better.

[SardaukarElite]

Ok but again that would be for promotional trailer, tribute teaser are different like I explained in my first message and cannot be compared.

 

There is a difference between voice actor saying goodbye to his character and franchise, and a trailer purely made for promotion on an upcoming game.

 

I didn't compare them, I was speaking generally. I've already said of the options Hanako presented I would prefer Lance Hendriksen to do it. You brought up ME3's marketing so I responded to that as well.

 

Specifically, Andromeda's teaser did not need Shepard in it. It was about pushing out, any familiar voice from the ME trilogy would have worked. If people still feel the need to say goodbye to Shepard after three whole games then they have unreasonable expectations or something was seriously wrong with ME3 (or both). 

 

Generally, I believe that the player's control over their protagonist should be both advertised and respected and that marketing that reinforces the idea of a one or two versions of Shepard should be avoided. 

[serviteur de femto]

I do agree that there should be examples voices for both male and female PCs in fully fledged trailers. Without a doubt and I'd frankly be disappointed if the first official trailer didn't show both or at least have two trailers. One male PC and one female. It's a great chance to show off the CC, bits of the armor/gear as well as some cinematics. I'm all for it. Plus, I'm critical of the hairstyles and I'd like to know what I might be getting into for both genders.
_{Please no 12 different kinds of shaved with sideburns that you can't toggle off. Oh and don't forget the male pattern baldness. Ugh. Anyways...}

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Yes, they could have included both and they probably should have for the goodbye video. It would have been a nice touch, but it isn't like it's an official trailer promoting the game.

I guess don't see what the big deal is. It's not like it's a full promotion for the next game. I felt it was more of a confirmation to more causal fans (read: not on a fan forum) that this isn't Shepard's story. That their story was over and a new adventure was about to begin. They showed what might be footage from ME:A (the cockpit,) but otherwise it was a montage of NASA footage.

As a few posters pointed out, Mark Meer might not have been available. Good VAs tend to work all the time, and sometimes it's not that easy to schedule a session. I honestly think it was probably as simple as that. I don't think it was intended to be any sort of "agenda" or message on BioWare's part.

Look, if they do a trailer or two at E-Play and neither has a male character, then you can claim there is an unbalance. It wouldn't be a bad idea to do a male PC trailer after FemShep did the tribute.

In the meantime, try to breathe and relax. Ignore the youtube comments. Youtube tends to attract the mouth breathers that have nothing to do but gripe and troll for their comments. Let that wash over you, laugh at them and you'll find you'll likely feel better.

 

Oh I never thought bioware are pushing any agendas, I am not paranoid about that. 

 

Actually if it was because Meer was not available, I would love that because it meant Bioware did think about their fanbase but were unable to due to circumstances beyond their control. So yeah if there is a confirmation for this, it would be so much better.

 

And frankly, I am not asking for a retribution, I would be fine if most of the marketing campaign of Andromeda was on a female pathfinder and if the trailers at the EA conference would be only on female, no problem in that for me, it's purely promotion.

 

I just think that for every other tribute or final goodbye of a bioware franchise, it should be on both gender.

[AlanC9]

I think that this is not really worth thinking about.

[Grieving Natashina]

Since you asked for proof, here's Mark Meer's IMBD. Note how much he was doing just in 2015:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1035752/

So yeah, he was very busy with other projects.

Again, BioWare probably should have included both Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale for the tribute video. I didn't argue it was important, but I can't see the huge deal in all of this. I'm not dismissing your feelings, or the feelings of others, but I guess I'll never understand.

It looks like Mark had a hectic schedule in 2015. He also does live acting as well. I would bet that BioWare would have probably gotten him if they could.

E-Play is in June. Hold tight til then, and try to enjoy what's to come. Life's too short to sweat things like a tiny tribute video for a video game.

[KamuiStorm]

This post is dumb, quickly! Post a bunch of a nonsense so it gets closed. Oh wait.. op already did.

[serviteur de femto]

Since you asked for proof, here's Mark Meer's IMBD. Note how much he was doing just in 2015:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1035752/

So yeah, he was very busy with other projects.

Again, BioWare probably should have included both Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale for the tribute video. I didn't argue it was important, but I can't see the huge deal in all of this. I'm not dismissing your feelings, or the feelings of others, but I guess I'll never understand.

It looks like Mark had a hectic schedule in 2015. He also does live acting as well. I would bet that BioWare would have probably gotten him if they could.

E-Play is in June. Hold tight til then, and try to enjoy what's to come. Life's too short to sweat things like a tiny tribute video for a video game.

 

I see that, even if it does not look like he was ultra mega busy since the schedule is on the whole year. But ill keep in mind that its a possibility and I am not rejecting that hypothesis. Even if he was not that busy it is possible that the moment bioware needed him for the teaser he was doing something else and did not had the time.

 

We cannot be sure at 100% since it is not really long to record 4 line, but meer being unavailable might be the reason for the absence of maleshep.

[Killroy]

Wow. That is a whole lot of text to say nothing about nothing.

[SnakeCode]

I honestly couldn't care less whether a guy or a gal narrates a trailer for a video game. The people on both sides of the fence that get really passionate about it? Them I can't take seriously. People getting upset and arguing over this stuff is ridiculous.

 

When you're one of those people constantly babbling on about "muh equality!" and one of your biggest concerns is representation in videogame trailers, it's time to get some perspective.