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[raulraul12345678]

I think it would be more interesting to have characters with not standard-perfect body type, and even charachters with disabilities, and why not, (since it is not possible for our teammates to die) at least to make the injuries much more marked and drammatic, like the lost of a limb, or permanent blindness and such...that would mitigate the artificial feeling of ''my teamates cannot die''.

The fights have to bring a sort of heaviness to the gameplay, consequences, this is very important in my opinion.

Also  perfect bodies are somewhat not very interesting, a character with phisical flaws is more interesting and memorable...this can also pushed to psycological flaws....that could be much more interesting and realistic.

What do you think?

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Oh, what the heck... In before Andramada!

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Don't worry, I'm not giving myself any points. That would be cheating.

[KaiserShep]

Joker technically should have ticked more boxes, but the fact that everyone used the exact same body model undermined that. 

[ArabianIGoggles]

Sure, why not have a guy in a wheelchair, or a blind guy with a stick? 

[Battlebloodmage]

If you want to troll, shouldn't you have picked a less obvious name? 

[Ieldra]

Another one of *these* threads. *Groan* I don't think anything else has ever done more to sour me towards the corresponding RL issues.

[SnakeCode]

A morbidly obese blind companion who has histrionic personality disorder and aspergers? Sure, sounds super duper interesting and awesome!

[correctamundo]

Dysmorphophobia?

[Ahriman]

Another one of *these* threads.

And of course it's made from account with 20- posts and zero registered games.

[sjsharp2011]

I don't think so admittedly it's nice to have a diasbled guy/girl involved in the story aka Joker but really I think that's as good as it's going to get as your not going to get disabled people running around shooting things up with you as genreally they don't get sent on missoins like that because most of the time they can't do it. That's why people like me play the games instead of doing it in real life.Because IRL I couldn't do it.

[gabdalla92]

Wont this game be situated in a distant future? What about the medical develpments until that? The use of stem cells for example will be a reality and we probably wont see too many people with disabilities in the future. However, i do agree with diversifying the shapes of the NPC's. All the humans, turians, asaris, etc. have the same body shape and ingame that can disturb your immersion.

[Gileadan]

Blind paralyzed dude in a hover chair that has a gatling gun and a missile launcher installed?

Or maybe just go for Venerable Dreadnoughts right away?

[Fredward]

Legitimate question: is there any reason a non-combatant NPC with a disability could/should not be in the game? A politician or a scientist or something?

[sjsharp2011]

Wont this game be situated in a distant future? What about the medical develpments until that? The use of stem cells for example will be a reality and we probably wont see too many people with disabilities in the future. However, i do agree with diversifying the shapes of the NPC's. All the humans, turians, asaris, etc. have the same body shape and ingame that can disturb your immersion.

not necessarily the ME trilogy was set around 300 years from now I believe so it's hard to say. But either way we do see characters with different body types but the moer body types you use the more difficult it'll be for he engine to process them all I think. Don't forget that also these games have to be compatible with the consoles. It may be possible but I'm not sure how far Bioware or anyone would want to push it. Personally I was fine with just having Joker as the pilot mostly because I think it would have been difficult to take it any further. Besides I think getting the look and animations of a disabled person right is always gong to be hard I think.

[sjsharp2011]

Legitimate question: is there any reason a non-combatant NPC with a disability could/should not be in the game? A politician or a scientist or something?

No I mean after all we got Joker but I think in reality someone like Joker is likely to be as far as anyone would likely dare go right now.

[Han Shot First]

What is meant by non-standard body types? Obese characters?

 

Neither Characters with disabilities or the obese would make much sense as squadmates, because the core cast of characters are all one part soldier and one part astronaut. People in either one of those two careers in the real world need to have some prerequisite level of physical fitness to even be eligible for those careers, and could not perform their jobs if they were obese or dealing with a serious physical disability.

 

Seth Green was fun as Joker, but the character's backstory was kind of dumb. A guy who can break a rib with a hard sneeze has no business piloting a space ship, and why did he not get synthetic bone weave? Joker not only strains suspension of disbelief but requires you to ignore the game universe's own lore on medical science. I'd rather Andromeda didn't double down on that.

 

The other issue with physical disabilities, like Joker's brittle bones, is that many of them should have been eliminated in the Mass Effect universe. Blindness for example, should be a thing of the past in a universe where something like the Lazarus Project exists. We know that synthetic eyes are a thing as well, because the Illusive Man has them. 

[Remix-General Aetius]

Report the OP for spamming & move on. He ain't worth your responses.

[Khrystyn]

I think it would be more interesting to have characters with not standard-perfect body type, and even characters with disabilities

 

Your idea reminded me of the movie 300, (2006) with Gerrard Butler. Ephialtes (the traitor), a deformed and misshaped greek soldier-wannabe, sought to join King Leonides in his battle against Xerxes' Persian army. "Though sympathetic, Leonides rejects him since his deformity physically prevents him from properly holding his shield; his physical disability would compromise the phalanx formation" (Wikipedia). As used in this movie, the deformed Ephialtes is not what I would call interesting, though his misshapen body matched his vile and disgusting character perfectly as the traitor to Leonides. 

 

I would like to see a character who has a disability and works in an area where he/she is privy to intel and communicating it to the protagonist. They might not be able to 'fight' given their condition, but they could play a significant role in overthrowing the archenemy boss and being present with the protagonist at the very ending scene as well. Such a character is often very likeable and has a decent nature that we can empathize with and root for. Perhaps they have a wicked sense of humor too. True, this is a trope. Quasimodo, the Hunchback of Notre Dame, for example, helped to bring down the evil archdeacon Claude Frollo. Quasi was a pathetic figure with the truest sense of decency, justice, and love - even though he knew his fate in life would never be compatible with Esmeralda. We rooted for him and felt an equal sense of justice and vindication when he caused the archdeacon to die a grizzly death. But then again, he was the protagonist in that story. It wasn't Quasi who was the real monster. I'm not calling for a replay of him in Andromeda, but such a character can be one that becomes a fan favorite.

 

Edit: Perhaps the character is romantically interested in the protagonist, as part of their motivation to help. Their role can be critical to the story, and perhaps the character has talented abilities that have compensated for their physical disability. Personally, I have worked with children and young adults who have severe disabilities and they are usually the terrific kids I have been privileged to know.

 

OP - What type(s) of role(s) do you think is interesting to you for characters with disabilities in Andromeda? Please post examples of own ideas since you asked the question in the first place. I'd like to hear more.

[ArabianIGoggles]

Legitimate question: is there any reason a non-combatant NPC with a disability could/should not be in the game? A politician or a scientist or something?

Aren't most politicians already disabled?

[Laughing_Man]

I don't care about "representation".

 

But having a squad-mate lose a body part and have to use a cool bionic arm / eye / leg? Sure.

[ZipZap2000]

Only if the amputee/cripple is a LI.

Because lets face it Op that's where you're really heading with this anyway. You, like many of us on the BSN; who have dared to have dreamt, to have hoped of holding an amputated Volus, in your tender loving arms. Have too had your breeding requests looked over or crushed by corporate injustice, in the name of keeping things "mainstream."

Well to hell with that I say. I say that if man wants to make love to a dibbling Salarian in a wheelchair its his gosh darn given human right to.

You humans are a weird people and I might not agree with the way you send breeding requests or who send them to, but as a proud member of earth now, I'll gladly give my life for your right to do so.

Keelah Se'lai.

[Dar'Nara]

Only if the amputee/cripple is a LI.

Because lets face it Op that's where you're really heading with this anyway. You, like many of us on the BSN; who have dared to have dreamt, to have hoped of holding an amputated Volus, in your tender loving arms. Have too had your breeding requests looked over or crushed by corporate injustice, in the name of keeping things "mainstream."

Well to hell with that I say. I say that if man wants to make love to a dibbling Salarian in a wheelchair its his gosh darn given human right to.

You humans are a weird people and I might not agree with the way you send breeding requests or who send them to, but as a proud member of earth now, I'll gladly give my life for your right to do so.

Keelah Se'lai.

hahaha...funny sh* right there

[capn233]

Characters with prosthetic.  Sure, why not?

 

Don't really know how practical it is to include people with disabilities in special forces.  Someone who lost an arm in the future and gets a space-magic prosthetic that is at least as good as an original human arm isn't really disabled in the setting.

[Fredward]

The other issue with physical disabilities, like Joker's brittle bones, is that many of them should have been eliminated in the Mass Effect universe. Blindness for example, should be a thing of the past in a universe where something like the Lazarus Project exists. We know that synthetic eyes are a thing as well, because the Illusive Man has them. 

 

Synthetic eyes wouldn't help much if there was something wrong with your occiptal lobe. Then again they got Shepard's brain to work after they floated around vacuum for a bit. Then again that was exorbitantly expensive. And there's always gonna be poor families or colonists that simply don't have access to gene therapy/screening.

 

 

 

Anyway, speaking to the OPs topic here: I really feel like people with disabilities have gotten the short end of the stick recently. There was (and is) feminism, which gave them voice and infinitely better representation. There was (and is) groups and  There was and is the LGBT movement which is doing the same thing for people of different sexual orientations. I don't know if the anti 'PC' group has been growing per se, but the rise of Trump and his rhetoric make me think they're not exactly quiescent.
 

So what you wind up getting atm when you bring it up is disgust, exasperation, a sort of boggled amusement and/or outright rejection. There's this sense of the person suggesting it cannot POSSIBLY be serious, that the very topic is a joke. Now I haven't been around long enough to really know whether that was around at the beginning of feminism but I know I've seen it when someone suggests men should be able to marry each other and have a family or a transgender person use the correct bathroom. It's treated as ludicrous cuz no one wants to spend time thinking about it.

 

And what bothers me the most  about it is the fact that I get the impression that this dismissive attitude occasionally comes from the groups that have and often still are exposed to the same kind of treatment. That's kinda shitty.

 

Q: Should we have women in our games fulfilling an array of roles as wide as men?

A: Uh, obviously?

 

Q: Should we have people of different races in our game?

A: Duh bruh.

 

Q: Should we have different sexualities?

A: Yeah, sure.

 

Q: Should we have people with disabilities in some (not necessarily combat) capacity?

A: Okay now  you're just being silly.

 

I don't get it.