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Haha, I know this is a very old and worn out subject being brought back, but with Dragon age 4 already being teased... I couldn't help myself. Regardless all this is, is a list of reasons as to why I wanted the inquisitor back. I've heard rumors that they've already decided on a new protag, don't know how accurate they are but I suspected BW would go that way because majority of the fans want a new protag. (Still holding out on hope for a dual-protag situation though.)

 

 

Anyways,

 

The very obvious reason # 1-

Solas and inquisitor connection. I can imagine this is even more dire for someone who romanced him. As someone who didn't however I still feel that a new PC taking down Solas would be... just bleh. I doubt they could manage to make the same emotional impact as they would have with the inquisitor. Plus, for those who wanted to save him, why would a new PC ever do that? Seriously? If your someone who doesn't know this person whose about to destroy the world are you really going to go out of your way to save them? Unless we're stuck playing some obsessive fangirl/boy of the inquisitors, which would suck, there'd be no reason. On top of that why would Solas listen to some random nobody? He wouldn't. There's a rant, several rants, to be said about this subject but I'll move on.

 

# 2

The prosthetic and the awesome capabilities/choices that could have come with it. ...Imagine. The. Customization. Also think of the feels, and the struggle your inquisitor would have gone through. It also gave a reason to revert back to level 1. As for that argument that its not realistic... this is a game and its fantasy. There's absolutely nothing realistic about it nor should there be. If I'd wanted to go for realistic I'd turn off my computer and go about my life like games didn't exist.

 

# 3

Drinking from the well. My inquisitor drank from the well. I can see how, for a character who didn't, this reason doesn't matter, but as someone who did it matters. A lot. I mean its really something I hope BW doesn't just sweep under the rug. Which goes into reason # 4.

I don't want to have played and payed for inquisition for nothing. I want my decisions in that game to matter because it was kind of agonizing to get through it. In fact until trespasser came out you could say I felt inquisition was pretty terrible. Completely lackluster and a dead-end, go nowhere type of game. It was like this thing that just... was there. Then trespasser came and it had such an impact it totally changed my perspective, I actually went and played it a second time. However without the inquisitor as protag now it goes back to being a go nowhere game that has me expecting the same for Da4.

 

# 5

Part of what makes starting a new protag great is when there is no 'invasion' from a previous game. Like Hawke being responsible for Cory but then the inquisitor dealing with it instead. Same thing when you have a new PC dealing with Solas instead of inquisitor. DAO was so great because it was a fresh start that had no tie-ins with a previous game. So I'd like to save the new protag for a fresh start that has absolutely nothing to do with the previous games and there would be no need for returning characters and their cameos. Which Da4 will provide no matter what because of Solas and Dorian, therefore better to have it be the inquisitor, who will also be forced to be involved in some way or another.

 

# 6

No, I don't want to play as someone native to tevinter. Because a) BW is no longer doing origin stories, which would have been, in my opinion, the ONLY reason to start a new PC. And That does not sound like a game that's about Thedas to me, quite the opposite. I want to play as someone whose visiting tevinter so I can find out about the lore of it and ask NPC questions without feeling like, 'wow my character doesn't even know about their own culture.' Anyone recall being an elf in DAI and not knowing anything about Mythal? Wasn't that aggravating? So if I can't get the inquisitor I'd prefer a nobody traveler going in for a visit than a nobody tevinter person.

 

# 7

Technically I probably should have put this with reason 1. Cause connections... But Dorian. My inquisitor was great friends with Dorian and I'd like to help him figure out his fathers death. I can't imagine why he'd just up and let some stranger help him out on that one. Also there's scout harding who I assume will be a romance companion in Da4 and for those of you who tried to romance her I think it would be a little odd to establish a connection with a character only to go for it with another character. I'm sure that's part of why Liliana (or however you spell her name) wasn't an option in DAI... that and the cheating. There's also the inquisitor's connection with the Qun. Despite people saying the inquisitor doesn't have it they do. They got it in Ironbulls quest and in trespasser, they are uniquely tied in with them whether they themselves want it or are aware of it. The inquisitor, when talking with ironbull can optionally tell him the qun are a threat to all of thedas.

 

# 8

Trespasser did another thing, they gave the inquisitor a new persona that has a lot of potential. They were bland at first but then, in Trespasser, they were awesome. I want to continue that character and develop that personality more. The inquisitor has some serious battle scars to overcome, emotional and physical (and ones that you saw happen), a new PC doesn't have that kind of struggle.

 

# 9

The inquisitor will be involved no matter what, it shows as much in the end of trespasser. So if BW decides to have the new PC be tevinter the games story is going to come across as rushed because they'll not only have to introduce that character but they'll have to establish a connection to the inquisitor then to Solas, unless they go the 'hey im the quizy and I got this enemy your gonna help me with' route in which case Solas is reduced to a cory type villian... bland and stupid. and then they'll have to go through the process as to how you defeat Solas and to defeating Solas. Hmmm... oh wait its not so much that its rushed its just that this game already exists... its called Dragon Age: Inquisition. Quizy meets inquisition, they ask for help, quizy meets cory and vows to destroy him, quizy gets help from hawke, hawke adruptly leaves or dies and doesn't finish up his mess, quizy defeats Cory. See? Same story. But Da4 with inquisitor? Quizy falls from grace, quizy is betrayed, quizy needs to gain more unknowable resources/allies, quizy needs to find a solution to their missing arm and regain their former battle prowess, quizy must choose between mercy or vengeance (Because I doubt there wouldn't be a last minute choice where its like 'are you sure this is what you wanted to do? Plus it would have been awesome if because you spent all your time trying to stop in instead of save it affected Solas' reaction to your sudden mercy, like he's bitter because your methods of stopping him ultimately cause bad blood to form between you two, or one of those things where he's surprised because you both hated each other to begin with.) And finally quizy either fails or succeeds and is either dealt a harsher blow that they can never recover from or are finally free to truly retire, with choices ultimately affecting the end game, choices made from DAI and in your journey throughout Da4.

 

# 10

I really, really hate the idea that there's a TON of heroes that overlap each other. I'm hero'd out. It'd be one thing if they were so spread out that if your warden was alive they died from old age by the time the Inquisitor came around. Hawke is a little more understandable because he didn't really save the world but its still rather obnoxious that these heroes keep popping up and taking over the previous' heroes place. Clean slate for next new protag thats way into the future where the others can't reach them would be nice. This is not just limited to the PC's by the way. I'm also talking about the companions. I am all for new companions, I get that, that is a must, but honestly wouldn't have minded sticking with previous cast of characters. Like bringing Fenris back or Isabella and Varric is always welcome in my book and then there's Orghen. It'd also be nice to have some characters that you found interesting but weren't even ever companions. Anyone remember that mercenary Qunari in Da2 who left the Qun and the Tal-Visha(don't know how to spell it.) and warned hawke against an attack? He'd make for a cool companion I think, or just a reappearance would be cool. There's already so many characters to explore and also to learn more of. Some characters just feel like they had a story that wasn't done being told. 

 

Anyways those are my reasons. May they rest in peace. 


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The Inquisitor hasn't got a bloody arm! He/she is not coming back! Accept it! Please!
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The Inquisitor hasn't got a bloody arm! He/she is not coming back! Accept it! Please!

First off the arm means NOTHING! That is not nor will it ever be the reason the inquisitor isn't coming back. Accept that. And I have accepted it, for different reasons. I'm really just putting down the reasons why I felt like BW missed out on a great opportunity


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The main reason the inquisitor won't be back, and I thoroughly believe this to be true, is because the fan majority are against it. Sadly.



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First off the arm means NOTHING! That is not nor will it ever be the reason the inquisitor isn't coming back. Accept that. And I have accepted it, for different reasons. I'm really just putting down the reasons why I felt like BW missed out on a great opportunity

 

So how are you supposed to play a two handed warrior? Or a duel wielding rogue? Or an archer? How are you supposed to actually play the combat side of the game if you only have one arm?


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I'd like the story to continue with our IQ. The missing arm can be "fixed" with the help of Dagna and other brilliant creators. So much could be done with that angle. I want to see Hawke again too and if possible, my HoF.   :)


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So how are you supposed to play a two handed warrior? Or a duel wielding rogue? Or an archer? How are you supposed to actually play the combat side of the game if you only have one arm?

Its a fantasy game with people like Dagna and Bianca... so yeah. Also there have always been prosthetic's in the world, nothing new there.



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I'd like the story to continue with our IQ. The missing arm can be "fixed" with the help of Dagna and other brilliant creators. So much could be done with that angle. I want to see Hawke again too and if possible, my HoF.   :)

 

 

Its a fantasy game with people like Dagna and Bianca... so yeah. Also there have always been prosthetic's in the world, nothing new there.

 

But then what reason was there in removing the arm in the first place? For disbelief? To shock us the viewers?

 

They could have just removed the anchor and left the arm intact. They chose to remove it. I think that is a pretty clear indicator saying "we are not going to make the Inquisitor the player character in DA4."



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But then what reason was there in removing the arm in the first place? For disbelief? To shock us the viewers?

 

They could have just removed the anchor and left the arm intact. They chose to remove it. I think that is a pretty clear indicator saying "we are not going to make the Inquisitor the player character in DA4."

Probably for dramatic effect. I would hope that removing an arm wasn't BW's idea of making the inquisitor retire. People who're missing an arm are still very capable. They do just as much as someone with both. To say otherwise is simply not true. 


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Reasons for the Inquisitor NOT to be the returning PC:

 

1) Personal relationship or no, the Inquisitor outright said that they need new people to counter Solas, who is familiar with all the present/former Inquisition can bring to bear. He wouldn't have disclosed his Evil Plan to the Inquisitor if he believed they had a feasible chance of stopping them.

 

2) The RPG model generally requires that the hero start out as a Level 1 noob armed with a wooden spoon. Sure, there's a very good reason why you don't have the Rift abilities anymore, but the other talents? I DON'T KNOW LOL. Those piles of equipment you built up? Not accessible. Call me crazy, but if I'm to be a noob, I'd rather be an actual noob rather than a guy who forgot all his old skills and equipment back at Skyhold.

 

3) New roleplaying opportunities. I like my old Inquisitor, but DAI was a very loooooooooong game and I think we spent quite a lot of time together. I'd LOVE to play someone native to Tevinter, personally.

 

4) Can start a new romance without having to break up with the old one. For instance, if Calpernia is in this game and is a romance option, I might have to take it, and I really don't want to dump Josie. :crying:

 

5) The arm. While not an insurmountable obstacle, we shouldn't treat it as just some minor loss that can be replaced with a golem arm.


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Probably for dramatic effect. I would hope that removing an arm wasn't BW's idea of making the inquisitor retire. People who're missing an arm are still very capable. They do just as much as someone with both. To say otherwise is simply not true. 

 

Yes, that is true. But to play a character in a roleplaying game that has a combat aspect to it... and have only one arm makes absolutely no sense. A cameo is all the Inquisitor will make in DA4, if at all. We are not going to play as them. We are not going to get half a game with them. We are simply done with playing as the Inquisitor.

 

Deal with it.



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It could have also been them attempting to make the inquisitor more interesting to try and get fans to want them back. They were probably going into trespasser thinking if they could get enough people to like the inquisitor they would make them the next protag.



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Yes, that is true. But to play a character in a roleplaying game that has a combat aspect to it... and have only one arm makes absolutely no sense. A cameo is all the Inquisitor will make in DA4, if at all. We are not going to play as them. We are not going to get half a game with them. We are simply done with playing as the Inquisitor.

 

Deal with it.

I already dealt with it. I said as much, no need to panic.



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lol 

 

Reasons for the Inquisitor NOT to be the returning PC:

 

1) Personal relationship or no, the Inquisitor outright said that they need new people to counter Solas, who is familiar with all the present/former Inquisition can bring to bear. He wouldn't have disclosed his Evil Plan to the Inquisitor if he believed they had a feasible chance of stopping them.

 

2) The RPG model generally requires that the hero start out as a Level 1 noob armed with a wooden spoon. Sure, there's a very good reason why you don't have the Rift abilities anymore, but the other talents? I DON'T KNOW LOL. Those piles of equipment you built up? Not accessible. Call me crazy, but if I'm to be a noob, I'd rather be an actual noob rather than a guy who forgot all his old skills and equipment back at Skyhold.

 

3) New roleplaying opportunities. I like my old Inquisitor, but DAI was a very loooooooooong game and I think we spent quite a lot of time together. I'd LOVE to play someone native to Tevinter, personally.

 

4) Can start a new romance without having to break up with the old one. If Calpernia is in this game and is a romance option, I might have to take it, and I really don't want to dump Josie. :crying:

 

5) The arm. While not an insurmountable obstacle, we shouldn't treat it as just some minor loss that can be replaced with a golem arm.

Lol I like your reason # 4 



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It could have also been them attempting to make the inquisitor more interesting to try and get fans to want them back. They were probably going into trespasser thinking if they could get enough people to like the inquisitor they would make them the next protag.

 

So to make the character interesting again after they remove the one thing that actually made the character interesting in the first place, is to disable them?



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I do wanna try out the Crossbow arm  :D .

 

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Grapple hooking across the city sounds fun!


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But then what reason was there in removing the arm in the first place? For disbelief? To shock us the viewers?

 

They could have just removed the anchor and left the arm intact. They chose to remove it. I think that is a pretty clear indicator saying "we are not going to make the Inquisitor the player character in DA4."

That's not why they removed the arm though. It was to make it clear that closing rifts was finished.


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So to make the character interesting again after they remove the one thing that actually made the character interesting in the first place, is to disable them?

Yep. One of the complaints about the inquisitor was that they were to powerful and never had any struggles.



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That's not why they removed the arm though. It was to make it clear that closing rifts was finished.

 

But they could have just removed the anchor if that was the only reason behind it.



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But then what reason was there in removing the arm in the first place? For disbelief? To shock us the viewers?

 

They could have just removed the anchor and left the arm intact. They chose to remove it. I think that is a pretty clear indicator saying "we are not going to make the Inquisitor the player character in DA4."

To remove the Anchor as well as maybe yet to be known story reasons. 

 

For example Luke loses his hand in The Empire Strikes Back and yet gets a prosthetic one a few minutes later. Yet him losing his hand wasn't pointless.


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That's not why they removed the arm though. It was to make it clear that closing rifts was finished.

We are more discussing the fact as to why they just removed the arm and not the mark. Because to just stop the closing of rifts they could remove the mark.



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Yep. One of the complaints about the inquisitor was that they were to powerful and never had any struggles.

 

But to disable them?! What if they had removed a leg? Or paralysed them from the neck down? Would you still use this argument to justify their return as the playable character? They are disabled. From a character perspective, great. From a playable character perspective, horrible.



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Ironbull's concept art had him with an artificial limb. So I really don't think the inquisitor has no arm is a legitimate argument. 


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I want the Inquisitor to come back as well. I would say that the ability to have romances is the only complication that Bioware faces in this. If she/he comes back, all romances need to be featured in some way, not just Dorian's, which would be an obstacle.

 

I don't why people keep going on about the missing arm. Having a prosthetic will do fine.


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But to disable them?! What if they had removed a leg? Or paralysed them from the neck down? Would you still use this argument to justify their return as the playable character? They are disabled. From a character perspective, great. From a playable character perspective, horrible.

Being paralyzed is WAY different than losing an arm.


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