Right - there isn't much hope for some people clearly
Trespasser created a very large rift in my ability to trust the Dragon Age team's writing ability and vision, and they have shown nothing to help seal that rift. You say we should be positive, but why when they haven't shown anything to create such positivity?
And yet, he doesn't in his final design. That say something? That it is a ridiculous idea.
After finding out the inquisitor wouldn't be back I'm not thrilled on Da4. Its already a recycled story from Da2/DaI and it hasn't even been made. I'll probably sit that one out until enough reviews come out that say its a good game. Though even then its unlikely, at this point I already feel like I wasted money on DaI.
Wait.... you akready know the DA4 story? Did I miss a major leak?
Da4 will conclude Solas' story and you'll have a new protag. Its an Inquisitor/Cory copy cat. And then you've got the Qunari threat so then it becomes a kirkwall situation from Da2
Although my opinion on it is so low at this point that maybe I'll end up liking it.
Another one of these threads? 
Huh. Whatever floats your boat, I suppose.
But you actually see the hand get removed. It's not a fade to black. You actually witness the horror of it. If BioWare had done that with the Inquisitor, I would agree that it was done to shock, but they didn't. It literally was a fade to black. Hell, the Inquisitor doesn't even seem to care that they've got one less arm.
I agree that the removal of the arm was handled poorly on multiple levels. But I still think part of the reason they did it was for shock value. Shock value doesn't have to be a Jump Scare or something like that. They didn't need to have it be sudden like Luke in The Empire Strikes Back. Here, they have something happen that you're not sure of with Solas, then the Inquisitor walks into the Exalted Council missing an arm. That's still "shocking", even if I think they could have handled it better.
Figured this to be here:
Gamedam Meister @GamedamMeister@PatrickWeekes Is the reason why in Trespasser you had the Inquisitor lose their hand to "Conclusively tie off this protagonist"?Patrick Weekes @PatrickWeekes@GamedamMeister Not the hand -- plenty of amputee heroes. We took the Mark to make it clear that rift-closing was finished.
I don't understand Weekes' statement. The rift-closing was finished at the start of Trespasser. They made it clear that during the 2-year timeskip Quizzy went around Thedas closing everything that was left (imagine the places they saw that we didn't!). If there are no more rifts to close, why do they think they need to tell us we're done? Is that really not clear enough?
Anyway, if Weekes is being sincere about the hand not being an issue but they still have the Inquisitor get sidelined, I'll be very interested to know why they're getting sidelined. What amazing reason do they have for - oh, wait, they don't really have a reason at all. Just that stupid rule they have.
"New protagonist each game. Good, cohesive narrative doesn't matter."
They should stop playing around and just lease some new DLCs for the Hero, Champion, and (ex)Inquisitor. That would allow the (ex)Inquisitor to be the protagonist again, and would set up the next game to have him as a playable companion character to a new protag.
Honestly they should do an expansion instead of a DLC for Inquisition and deal with Solas there instead of dragging it into Da4. Does anyone really need Solas to be the antagonist for Da4? Not to mention its just hard to believe the inquisitor is just going to sit back like Hawke, which was also hard to swallow, and let someone else end/save him.
Trespasser created a very large rift in my ability to trust the Dragon Age team's writing ability and vision, and they have shown nothing to help seal that rift. You say we should be positive, but why when they haven't shown anything to create such positivity?
Well, ME3 created that rift for me, and ever since then I've been cautious with Bioware. If they go through with having a new protagonist in DA4 and sidelining the Inquisitor as an NPC, no dual-protagonists or anything, then I'll have completely lost faith in them.
Well, ME3 created that rift for me, and ever since then I've been cautious with Bioware. If they go through with having a new protagonist in DA4 and sidelining the Inquisitor and an NPC, no dual-protagonists or anything, then I'll have completely lost faith in them.
I'm 99% positive they won't have inquisitor be main protag. Not enough people want that to make it happen. I'm 75% sure they won't do dual-protag. More unsure of that one because they might later on feel that its necessary for story purposes or enough people will want it that they'll give it a go.
What will probably happen is the inquisitor will be a cameo save the new protag in some way, that way the protag owes the inquisitor, than Solas kills inquisitor who dies in new protags arms with a dying wish that new protag save/kill Solas. Then new protag will have a choice of honoring the debt or just outright killing Solas despite if that's what Inquisitor wanted. ...That's the only way I really see them making the trespasser decision of save/kill reflect with a new protag.
I don't particularly like The Inquisitor, as a matter of fact i almost prefer ME3 Shepard to him (and i don't only because stupid annoys me much more than dull), but with how Trespasser ended it's not really a question of "liking". The Inquisitor story is just not over, and unlike the Warden we're not talking about some versions of the character that are kind of left hanging (basically all the Wardens who survived Origins with the whole "cure for the calling" thing, and especially those who romanced Morrigan since she will probably get Mythal's 'soul'), we're talking about all possible variations of the character.
Every Inquisitor's story, for now, ends after Solas' reveal and the promise to stop him, that's no end, having them be somewhere North/West/East/South doing stuff would just be stupid seeing how they wrote the whole thing and it would also mean that, more than likely, they intended The Inquisitor to die in Trespasser (putting a real and definitive end to his/her story) but chickened out
In other words, if they wanted to go along with the format they should have been "brave" in Trespasser, and since they weren't now they need to be smart and make sense
I don't understand Weekes' statement. The rift-closing was finished at the start of Trespasser. They made it clear that during the 2-year timeskip Quizzy went around Thedas closing everything that was left (imagine the places they saw that we didn't!). If there are no more rifts to close, why do they think they need to tell us we're done? Is that really not clear enough?
Anyway, if Weekes is being sincere about the hand not being an issue but they still have the Inquisitor get sidelined, I'll be very interested to know why they're getting sidelined. What amazing reason do they have for - oh, wait, they don't really have a reason at all. Just that stupid rule they have.
"New protagonist each game. Good, cohesive narrative doesn't matter."
Well, Solas plan is to sunder the Veil so maybe it was to show the Inquisitor doesn't have the power to stop that, so a new way must be found.
Well, ME3 created that rift for me, and ever since then I've been cautious with Bioware. If they go through with having a new protagonist in DA4 and sidelining the Inquisitor and an NPC, no dual-protagonists or anything, then I'll have completely lost faith in them.
I can't say I'll lose complete faith in them. The secret IP team may still be good.
What will probably happen is the inquisitor will be a cameo save the new protag in some way, that way the protag owes the inquisitor, than Solas kills inquisitor who dies in new protags arms with a dying wish that new protag save/kill Solas. Then new protag will have a choice of honoring the debt or just outright killing Solas despite if that's what Inquisitor wanted. ...That's the only way I really see them making the trespasser decision of save/kill reflect with a new protag.
Well, Solas plan is to sunder the Veil so maybe it was to show the Inquisitor doesn't have the power to stop that, so a new way must be found.
I can't say I'll lose complete faith in them. The secret IP team may still be good.
Lmao!!!! If I could just give that a billion likes I'd do it.
"New protagonist each game. Good, cohesive narrative doesn't matter."
Those things aren't exclusive.
Honestly they should do an expansion instead of a DLC for Inquisition and deal with Solas there instead of dragging it into Da4. Does anyone really need Solas to be the antagonist for Da4? Not to mention its just hard to believe the inquisitor is just going to sit back like Hawke, which was also hard to swallow, and let someone else end/save him.
What about new players to the series? How are they just going to pick up DA4 and start playing with the (ex)Inquisitor who was already in another game and has a range of varied pasts? Or would they be given a default world state? In which case, what's the difference between that and a new pre-determined protagonist?
There are plenty of games that keep the same PC throughout and this doesn't seem to affect new players much, it all depends on how this previous PC and an already set world+lore are presented to the new players, and how much the game itself compells them to learn more about it (gods know i lived on the wiki). I'm talking The Witcher here for example, Geralt for three consecutive games, i started with TW3 and had no problems. Same with Dragon Age, my first was Inquisition and i got acquainted with previous characters and a whole lot of lore and history from the first two games just fine. Sure, for older players having to read about dalish elves, templars and circles again might have been a bit repetitive, but all those codices lying around did their part for me and other newcomers to the series. What about being a new player to M3? Shepard has a lot of background to catch up to. New players adapt to characters with a background from previous games just as they adapt to new menues, new worlds, new ui, combat styles. BioWare's dialogue wheel, even.
A default world state was already given for Inquisition, in relation with the Warden, Morrigan, Hawke, Varric.. Remember we have the Keep now, and just as DAI offered a default world state or the option to use a custom one, DA4 will most likely offer the same. With such an option new players could get a default world state and those familiar with DA can load a custom state from the Keep.
Personally i'd prefer the option to play as our (former) Inquisitor or a new protagonist, but i'm well aware that would imply a lot of work and is too ambitious so it's most likely not gonna happen for DA4.
All things considered, i lean more towards seeing and playing as the Inquisitor again, as my canon Inquisitor was a Lavellan who romanced Solas, playing as her on DA4 -granted, if DA4 is about Solas and his plan at all- would make the experience much more interesting and worthwhile for me (us solasmancers do need some closure, y'know).
I'm not against BW pushing the whole Solas situation a bit for later, and have DA4 be about something else, ie if DA4 were to focus on the Qunari vs Tevinter situation, while Solas quietly continues to collect elves in the woods as a background minor detail that then a hypothetical DA5/dlc would deal with, finally closing everything up.It's just an option, but again, not one i see BW going for.
As for the Inquisitor having lost an arm, and how to start a new game with an old PC on noob mode.. Solas only delayed the lethal effect of the mark, he didn't stop it, so as the mark continued to expand and being a threat to the Inquisitor's life, the arm had to be amputated. I do think the amputation was in order to make it clear there would be no more rifts, not to cut the Inquisitor off from future games entirely. I agree with many comments i've seen here and in other threads, prosthetics in a world of magic, runes, and Dagna? Sign me the hell up. Sera's endscreen if anything proves that having lost one arm doesn't necessarily mean the Inquisitor's adventuring is over. Losing a limb doesn't really stop you from living, implying that because now this character is one arm short now they're useless is an insult. A magical prosthetic arm could do wonders, no matter what class the character is, and it'd even add more fun to crafting IMO. How could someone as experienced and skilled as the Inquisitor mysteriously start at lv1? That detail can be easily solved by having them go through new training to adjust to the prosthetic arm, they'd have to learn old skills all over again because now things are different for them. It gets a bit tricky for mages, because knowing spells have little to do with having any number of limbs, but depending on how the prosthetic arm works, what materials it's made of, what sort of runes Dagna can make for it, i'd allow a halfassed explanation of how an artificial limb of such qualities messes the flow of magic from the Fade so a mage Inquisitor has to learn new ways of casting the same old spells.
Either way i'm not holding my hopes up, is just that having my Inquisitor back would really make it for me, and my sad and betrayed Lavellan. If we get a new PC and the Inquisitor is mentioned or shows up for a cameo at some point, i'd really prefer it if it weren't so cheap a treatment like the Warden's on DAI. A wartable mission, a couple of mentions, and not much else? That'd be terrible.
The Inquisitor is o-v-e-r.
in DA4 it will be treated like the warden
Those things aren't exclusive.
Not in general, no. But I definitely think it is in this case.
I wish BW would see the potential there is of having the inquisitor back. Even if its just for a DLC or expansion, doing that would solve a lot of problems and probably make everyone happy. Having Da4 be new PC but then give a DLC/expansion to inquisitor and Solas. There was a recipe for a really good game, a story that could've had a huge emotional impact, and it would flat out suck if they didn't take advantage of it. I don't know why they never even considered doing that after trespasser... ending and closing up that story line before moving on to Da4.
I'd like the story to continue with our IQ. The missing arm can be "fixed" with the help of Dagna and other brilliant creators. So much could be done with that angle. I want to see Hawke again too and if possible, my HoF.
I would like to see that as well that the story would continue with our Inquisitor yes the missing arm can be fixed by Dagna or someone else ( i still have my arm though ).
Da4 will conclude Solas' story and you'll have a new protag. Its an Inquisitor/Cory copy cat. And then you've got the Qunari threat so then it becomes a kirkwall situation from Da2
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