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[Reznore57]

The sad thing is just Bioware thinking they neatly tied off the Inquisitor with Trespasser.

I mean come on , you can't have a pc facing a future important antagonist who's bend on destroying the current world , have said pc claim he will stop said new villain , cut off the hand , think well this is it!Story of this pc is finished , well done everyone.

On top of it claiming it wasn't the loss of a hand keeping the Inqui from new adventures in Thedas.

I mean reading this P. Weekes tweet I felt my intelligence was insulted.

And don't tell me the Solas "knows us" line , doesn't matter Solas knows the Inquisition (or what's left of it ) is after him.Oh no the Inquisition has new agents to spy on the villain...really , you also think Solas didn't think about that?

Like Solas will never notice the new pc who will start asking questions to everyone around , and will surrounds himself/herself with a band of powerful companions , all probably coming from different background.

It is known as a hero in DA we're always playing the discreet type ...or not.

[roselavellan]

 

I don't understand Weekes' statement. The rift-closing was finished at the start of Trespasser. They made it clear that during the 2-year timeskip Quizzy went around Thedas closing everything that was left (imagine the places they saw that we didn't!). If there are no more rifts to close, why do they think they need to tell us we're done? Is that really not clear enough?

 

I interpreted that exchange (and the slide it refers to) as indicating the role that the Inquisitor played is over. So if he/she will be in DA4, it will be in a completely different capacity. So the "Inquisitor" is finished, but perhaps Lavellan/Trevelyan/Cadash/Adaar may not be.

 

*shrug* Maybe it's wishful thinking, maybe not. We shall see

[Ann'Nonnie'Mus]

I interpreted that exchange (and the slide it refers to) as indicating the role that the Inquisitor played is over. So if he/she will be in DA4, it will be in a completely different capacity. So the "Inquisitor" is finished, but perhaps Lavellan/Trevelyan/Cadash/Adaar may not be.

 

*shrug* Maybe it's wishful thinking, maybe not. We shall see

That's a good point. if you disband the inquisition the inquisitor is no longer the inquisitor it also has the inquisitor saying, 'I have to go save the world again.' But its odd for them to even say the inquisition is done considering you also have the choice to keep it going........ so a lot of what they set out to do in trespasser they completely botched. Because if their intention was to give closure to the inquisitor so they could move on to a new protag and officially end the inquisition, which they stated, they did a really terrible job of it. They gave a good portion of their gamer's a strong and very valid reason to pursue Solas as the inquisitor.

[KotorEffect3]

I like having a different protagonist for each game   Allows me to change up my roleplaying  while staying in the same continuity.

[roselavellan]

That's a good point. if you disband the inquisition the inquisitor is no longer the inquisitor it also has the inquisitor saying, 'I have to go save the world again.' But its odd for them to even say the inquisition is done considering you also have the choice to keep it going........ so a lot of what they set out to do in trespasser they completely botched. Because if their intention was to give closure to the inquisitor so they could move on to a new protag and officially end the inquisition, which they stated, they did a really terrible job of it. They gave a good portion of their gamer's a strong and very valid reason to pursue Solas as the inquisitor.

 

Even if the Inquisition stays, its role is changed to the Divine's peacekeeping force, so the Inquisition as we know it will no longer exist anyway. Also the Inquisitor very conveniently says "we find new people" to pursue Solas - ie. people who aren't the Inquisition. If the Inquisitor comes back in DA4, I assume they will be coming back, not as Inquisitor, but perhaps in another less visible role, so our character will still be there to stop Solas, just not as "the Inquisitor".

 

I agree Trespasser did not give closure to our character. The way Trespasser ended, I thought they strongly hinted that the Inquisitor - or our character, rather - has a new agenda now, and of course that necessitates them actually being there in DA4 to carry it out, doesn't it (new protagonist rule be damned)?

[WardenWade]

Time will tell, but likely the Inquisitor would appear as an NPC like Hawke did, maybe helping us out or providing information in DA4?  It's hard to accept, but it's hard after every DA game, I think...

 

To diverge a bit (and late to the party, I know), a Leliana-mancing Dark Ritual Warden seems to be back and a bit relevant at the end of Trespasser in a way I didn't expect but was thrilled to see. 

[Ash Wind]

The arm thing doesn't mean much, I mean come on, we are talking about a world with magic and dragons. If they wanted to they could fashion a magical arm of light, or an arm-stump (sorry if that is insensitive) fitted with a weapon.

 

A different protag was never the original design of DA anything to the contrary is a lie, no matter what the devs say. If DA2 had sold 12,000,000 copies, Hawke would have been the IQ. Period.

 

While successful, I don't think DAi was successful enough to force BW's hand and return the IQ. There will be a different protag. No doubt, while the Warden will only be referred to, IQ will probably make an appearance... aka Hawke in DAI

[AlanC9]

A different protag was never the original design of DA anything to the contrary is a lie, no matter what the devs say. If DA2 had sold 12,000,000 copies, Hawke would have been the IQ. Period.
 

if DA2 had sold more, Exalted March would have happened. The DA3 in that universe is not the one we got.

[Ski Mask Wei]

As long as the Inquisitor gets a Hawk-like cameo I'll be fine.  I'd much rather see the Inquisitor make Varys or Littlefinger moves than watch him do his best Guts impersonation for a whole game.  It also gives some new blood a chance to shine especially with a new setting like Tevinter.  Hell, I'd take new origins over the Inquisitor coming back any day of the week.  Getting different perspectives on the various segments of Tevinter society could be sick, but I digress.  

 

I would love to see the original script for DA:I because if Inquisiton's story wasn't supposed to end with the Solas encounter I'm dying to know how they would've kept it going in the same game.  Time jump?  I'm almost certain Solas's plan is going to takes years to complete.  DA:I would've been huge if you actually could see the fruition of Solas's plan come to pass.  If that's what was cut I'll glad they did.  To me that would be rushing it.  Honestly I hope that plot is in the background for most of DA4.  Everybody else is concentrating on some other threat (except the Inquisitor of course) and once they think they've won...BOOM!!! Here comes the Dread Wolf out the blue to tear **** up.  What's more Solas than that?    

[Reznore57]

As long as the Inquisitor gets a Hawk-like cameo I'll be fine.  I'd much rather see the Inquisitor make Varys or Littlefinger moves than watch him do his best Guts impersonation for a whole game.  It also gives some new blood a chance to shine especially with a new setting like Tevinter.  Hell, I'd take new origins over the Inquisitor coming back any day of the week.  Getting different perspectives on the various segments of Tevinter society could be sick, but I digress.  

 

I would love to see the original script for DA:I because if Inquisiton's story wasn't supposed to end with the Solas encounter I'm dying to know how they would've kept it going in the same game.  Time jump?  I'm almost certain Solas's plan is going to takes years to complete.  DA:I would've been huge if you actually could see the fruition of Solas's plan come to pass.  If that's what was cut I'll glad they did.  To me that would be rushing it.  Honestly I hope that plot is in the background for most of DA4.  Everybody else is concentrating on some other threat (except the Inquisitor of course) and once they think they've won...BOOM!!! Here comes the Dread Wolf out the blue to tear **** up.  What's more Solas than that?    

 

It seems the story was in two part , or at least half of it was cut .

I mean cut when it was just at the story stage , not when the game was actually made with maps , npcs and all that.

So I think the Dread Wolf rising was part 2 , and we should get part of it in DA4.

 

But anyway the Well of Sorrows was supposed to happen with Hawke in the Exalted March DLC.

Don't ask me how Hawke would have find himself/herself in an ancient elven temple , in the middle of a threat of an Exalted March.

Perhaps Hawke was the one dealing with Coryphinoob as well.

I guess the Mythal reveal might have happened here as well , so Hawke would have met Flemeth a final time.

Anyway we'll never know.

 

But what's pretty obvious is what was supposed to happen to PC 1 will be shifted to PC2 if need be.

Sometimes it's no biggie.

Sometimes it feels a bit more jarring.

[Nimlowyn]

Well, for what it's worth, Patrick Weekes did address closure, at least for Solasmancers, in a tweet a few months back: https://twitter.com/...741652915163136

 

By extension, I'd assume that other Inquisitors would receive closure as well. If Patrick Weekes' hopes are realized. 

 

I love Trespasser, but I was kind of stunned to see that GDC slide. Wrap up the Inquisitor's story? I don't feel like my Inquisitor's story is wrapped up at all. 

[Imryll]

It might just say that it failed an ROI check on the dev time needed to make the arm look good, though. We really shouldn't jump to conclusions about how decisions are made.

Or it could be that they they chose not to give Iron Bull an artificial arm because it occurred to them that the Inquisitor might have need of one.

 

I generally prefer new game, new protagonist, but I don't see that as a no-exceptions rule.  Whether a character's story arc requires more than one game to tell depends on the story.  And Travelyan/Lavellan/Cadash/Adaar's story doesn't feel over.

[themikefest]

I wouldn't mind having Inquisitor return in the next DA game if only to hear more of AWR's voice and I'm sure she wouldn't mind voicing her again.

[CardButton]

LOL well I certainly approve of the concept of the Inquisitor returning as a playable PC, under the right conditions. 

[Arcana scribo]

Oh, I would LOVE to play my inquisitor in DA 4. The beginning of new game could be very interesting because of missing arm. Inquisitor could get some special training, learn how to fight with his/her new "condition". It would be fun to see all the struggle and gaining new skills and abilities. It could even feel like creating a new character (from combat perspective). Second thing, I think DA II and DA I have one minus and that is pour background story of protagonists. If we could play inquisitor in the next game, there would be no such minus. And the last thing, when I was playing my inquisitor I had to admit, that she was very lucky to ended up where she did. By lucky coincidence she got the mark and BAM ! she is the most important person in all  Thedas. And if that's just not enough, here you go, take  a massive castle. But at the moment she has no magical mark and no arm, no super political support. In order to deal with Solas she would have to really work her ass off. Again, it is almost like starting from zero, from scratch. And in this way she could really become a hero.

[infinityhaunlet]

There are plenty of games that keep the same PC throughout and this doesn't seem to affect new players much, it all depends on how this previous PC and an already set world+lore are presented to the new players, and how much the game itself compells them to learn more about it (gods know i lived on the wiki). I'm talking The Witcher here for example, Geralt for three consecutive games, i started with TW3 and had no problems. Same with Dragon Age, my first was Inquisition and i got acquainted with previous characters and a whole lot of lore and history from the first two games just fine. Sure, for older players having to read about dalish elves, templars and circles again might have been a bit repetitive, but all those codices lying around did their part for me and other newcomers to the series. What about being a new player to M3? Shepard has a lot of background to catch up to. New players adapt to characters with a background from previous games just as they adapt to new menues, new worlds, new ui, combat styles. BioWare's dialogue wheel, even.  

 

A default world state was already given for Inquisition, in relation with the Warden, Morrigan, Hawke, Varric.. Remember we have the Keep now, and just as DAI offered a default world state or the option to use a custom one, DA4 will most likely offer the same. With such an option new players could get a default world state and those familiar with DA can load a custom state from the Keep. 

Personally i'd prefer the option to play as our (former) Inquisitor or a new protagonist, but i'm well aware that would imply a lot of work and is too ambitious so it's most likely not gonna happen for DA4. 

All things considered, i lean more towards seeing and playing as the Inquisitor again, as my canon Inquisitor was a Lavellan who romanced Solas, playing as her on DA4 -granted, if DA4 is about Solas and his plan at all- would make the experience much more interesting and worthwhile for me (us solasmancers do need some closure, y'know). 

I'm not against BW pushing the whole Solas situation a bit for later, and have DA4 be about something else, ie if DA4 were to focus on the Qunari vs Tevinter situation, while Solas quietly continues to collect elves in the woods as a background minor detail that then a hypothetical DA5/dlc would deal with, finally closing everything up.It's just an option, but again, not one i see BW going for.

 

As for the Inquisitor having lost an arm, and how to start a new game with an old PC on noob mode.. Solas only delayed the lethal effect of the mark, he didn't stop it, so as the mark continued to expand and being a threat to the Inquisitor's life, the arm had to be amputated. I do think the amputation was in order to make it clear there would be no more rifts, not to cut the Inquisitor off from future games entirely. I agree with many comments i've seen here and in other threads, prosthetics in a world of magic, runes, and Dagna? Sign me the hell up. Sera's endscreen if anything proves that having lost one arm doesn't necessarily mean the Inquisitor's adventuring is over. Losing a limb doesn't really stop you from living, implying that because now this character is one arm short now they're useless is an insult. A magical prosthetic arm could do wonders, no matter what class the character is, and it'd even add more fun to crafting IMO. How could someone as experienced and skilled as the Inquisitor mysteriously start at lv1? That detail can be easily solved by having them go through new training to adjust to the prosthetic arm, they'd have to learn old skills all over again because now things are different for them. It gets a bit tricky for mages, because knowing spells have little to do with having any number of limbs, but depending on how the prosthetic arm works, what materials it's made of, what sort of runes Dagna can make for it, i'd allow a halfassed explanation of how an artificial limb of such qualities messes the flow of magic from the Fade so a mage Inquisitor has to learn new ways of casting the same old spells.

 

Either way i'm not holding my hopes up, is just that having my Inquisitor back would really make it for me, and my sad and betrayed Lavellan. If we get a new PC and the Inquisitor is mentioned or shows up for a cameo at some point, i'd really prefer it if it weren't so cheap a treatment like the Warden's on DAI. A wartable mission, a couple of mentions, and not much else? That'd be terrible. 

 

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[Greta]

I wish the new da4 setting would be tevinter imperium and the new protagonist would be of importance due being binded to a spirit/titan that would give him the edge against solas to possibly kill him/absorb his power. Ive not played the dlc's but is seems that spirit possesion was a big theme in the hakkon and descent expansions, giving qite a bit of background knowledge about this new titans thing. I think the protagonist will have it's power due to linkage to titans from a tevinter ritual gone wrong or something that would be so cool, it would also give insight to Sandal's and Valta importance they could make for awesome companions.

 

I really doubt we will play as inquisitor, rather i think we will get notices on their whereabouts like with the warden, and maybe a collaboraton in a quest at best like with hawke.

[CardButton]

I wish the new da4 setting would be tevinter imperium and the new protagonist would be of importance due being binded to a spirit/titan that would give him the edge against solas to possibly kill him/absorb his power. Ive not played the dlc's but is seems that spirit possesion was a big theme in the hakkon and descent expansions, giving qite a bit of background knowledge about this new titans thing. I think the protagonist will have it's power due to linkage to titans from a tevinter ritual gone wrong or something that would be so cool, it would also give insight to Sandal's and Valta importance they could make for awesome companions.

 

I really doubt we will play as inquisitor, rather i think we will get notices on their whereabouts like with the warden, and maybe a collaboraton in a quest at best like with hawke.

So what you want is a new Protagonist burdened with a power only they have, which they got by accident, that can be used to defeat a powerful Antagonist that was introduced in a previous game and has a strong connection to that game's protagonist?  That old protagonist shows up briefly as an NPC for a Cameo appearance to impart their personal connection to the villain and plot relevant information onto the new PC and then is arbitrarily removed in some manner so that it is the new game's PC that is the one to thwart the antagonists plan to destroy the world? So ... just like they did with the Inquisitor and Cory?   

 

The Inquisitor was a new PC burdened with the special snowflake power of being able to seal the rifts plaguing the land (a power they got by accident) and as such is the only one who can face the Antagonist Corypheus, an Antagonist that has a connection to Hawke from Dragon Age 2 and wishes to destroy the world to bring glory back to Old Tevinter.  Hawke shows up for a brief spell and then is removed one way or another in order to makes sure that it is the Inquisitor that gets to strike the final blow against an enemy that has has far more connection to that previous PC.  Second verse same as the first huh?