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Mordin's threw me for a loop when I did the Paragon path. Iwasn't expecting to be so hard on him, but it seemed to be the only way.



Tali's was emotional but you could see how it was going to end from a mile away.



Grunt's was... Well it was fun but not all that deep emotionally wise. I did enjoy headbutting a Krogan though.



Miranda's was also an excellent one, but some of the plot points were kind of transparent. (Oh no, Niket turned against us? I didn't see that coming!)



I loved Jacob's! It was just an interesting story. I couldnt let him kill his dad. I was hoping he'd end up somewhere like Purgatory if I got him arrested.



Garrus, I feel had the most cinematic feel, and the best character reversal if you played a Paragon. I loved the camera angles through the scope of his rifle.



I wish there was more to Zaeed. I love the character, and i think he could be an interesting character if he had a dialogue wheel. But I'll have to settle for his Loyalty mission. I went Paragon A) because I could punch him and B) because the sound of screaming workers made it hard to concentrate.

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BlackwindTheCommander wrote...

Miranda's was also an excellent one, but some of the plot points were kind of transparent. (Oh no, Niket turned against us? I didn't see that coming!)


What was sad was how sure she was he hadn't turned on her. She was so adamant, so certain. In complete denial of the possibility.

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Deepest?  A tossup between Jack and Garrus, Jack because you find out what makes her tick and Garrus because you either save him or let him go further into the DARK SIDE.

Funniest?  Zaeed's if you do the renegade option.

I don't know why but his line at the end had me laughing so hard.   All his lines make me laugh.  

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Since you're asking about which one was "deep" I'd have to say Tali's. A lot more going on in that one. While Miranda and Jacob's both had a family connection and some deeper things going on I overall think Tali's outdid them. It really though depends on the mission b/c Grunt's really didn't have an opportunity to be "deep" but it was a heck of a lot of fun.

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MotoSkunkX wrote...


Deepest?  A tossup between Jack and Garrus, Jack because you find out what makes her tick and Garrus because you either save him or let him go further into the DARK SIDE.

Funniest?  Zaeed's if you do the renegade option.

I don't know why but his line at the end had me laughing so hard.   All his lines make me laugh.  

Save him ? How would sparing sidonis save him, sidonis deserves it, shoot the backstabbing son of a B****, send him straight to the 9th circle.

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I thought all of them were too short. Especially Jack's and Grunt's.

Jack's I loved and thought had great potential, but once I got there, there really wasn't much you had to do.

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Nightwriter wrote...

I thought all of them were too short. Especially Jack's and Grunt's.

Jack's I loved and thought had great potential, but once I got there, there really wasn't much you had to do.


funny because i consider jack and grunts 2 of the best.

grunt's is very brief, but if you look at the event you are participating in, Shep is getting an extremely intimate view into Krogan culture. Something no other aliens are probably ever allowed to do or see. Jacks' loyalty mission is very emotional. I love Jack's story and I love that Jack + whoever your other squad member is have banter in this mission.

The deepest loyalty mission in ME2 is definitely Tali's. The least deep would is Samara's, which is disappointing because she is one of my fav characters and her loyalty quest takes all of 2 minutes to finish.

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miranda's, jack's, and mordin's were pretty deep, and maybe garrus'.

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scyphozoa wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I thought all of them were too short. Especially Jack's and Grunt's.

Jack's I loved and thought had great potential, but once I got there, there really wasn't much you had to do.


funny because i consider jack and grunts 2 of the best.

grunt's is very brief, but if you look at the event you are participating in, Shep is getting an extremely intimate view into Krogan culture. Something no other aliens are probably ever allowed to do or see. Jacks' loyalty mission is very emotional. I love Jack's story and I love that Jack + whoever your other squad member is have banter in this mission.

The deepest loyalty mission in ME2 is definitely Tali's. The least deep would is Samara's, which is disappointing because she is one of my fav characters and her loyalty quest takes all of 2 minutes to finish.

I would say least deep is Jacob, its just a daddy issue, he finds out bad things happened and as a result hates his father, yeah. And grunts you saw krogan culture but to me it was just fighting in an arena to help him prove himself, not very deep or involving, not emotional either and no good moral choices.

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Miranda and Jack's are my personal favourites.

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Tali, Kasumi, and Jack

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Mordins was probably the most moral one, and mordin himself faced alot of his demons, mirandas also had depth, but it depended on your dialogue at the end, also thanes was pretty deep but very linear

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BlackwindTheCommander wrote...
Miranda's was also an excellent one, but some of the plot points were kind of transparent. (Oh no, Niket turned against us? I didn't see that coming!)


I think that was part of the point. Miranda refused to believe her only real friend would sell her out, even if it was very obvious to an outsider like Shepard that it was true. Same basic principle in Jack's loyalty mission too, evidence continually mounts that the other kids had it even worse than her and she won't believe it because her entire life has been based on surviving that ordeal.

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For me it was Mordin's because you could see that even though Mordin truly believed he was acting in the krogans' best interest with the modified genophage project, his role in that project still bothered him. One of the most touching moments in the game (for me) was Mordin telling the dead female krogan to "sleep well young mother."

For me, Legion's contained the most thought-provoking decision. I could see benefits both ways. Do I have the right to kill the geth? Do I have the right to rewrite them? It was interesting.

I liked Tali's until the end. I thought it was much too easy to have your cake and eat it too. Also, my paragon Shepard resented being asked to suppress evidence of a wrongdoing. He'd have rather given the evidence to the Board and then argued on Rael's behalf that they shouldn't strike his name from their records.

Most fun for me were Zaeed's (renegade ending), Garrus's (dealing with Harkin again) and Miranda's ("I was waiting for you to finish getting dressed. Or does Cerberus allow you to ****** around in that outfit."


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Jack's was easily the deepest. Not the most awesome one, but the deepest.

You did know something was wrong with her, but here you learn why she is like she is. Step by sted you see clues of how inhumane the facility was and how horrible it was for Jack. You just want to give her a hug and tell her everything's going to be alright. This feeling increases when you see her old room. You know that facility must be destroyed, for closure. I was deeply moved by the whole mission. Which reminds me, I should romance her sometime, to see her story develop further.

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Garrus' shows again that character development in ME1 was totally pointless if your differs from how the writers think it should be. Also how Garrus again can be talked out of something he has totally set himself on doing. Does the guy ever do anything right?




I actually really enjoy his quest. I think his 'revenge again!' attitude comes partly from losing Shepard (his defacto-mentor) and from the fact that he still hasn't learned to seperate his head and heart. Garrus never went 'presto-chango, no more vengence' in ME1, he simply aknowledged that Shep had shown another way. Knowing the right thing, and doing the right thing are not the same. Shep reminds him of who he is (one way or another) Then Shep disappears, and old habits die hard.

Or maybe it's cos most of the time I let him take the shot. (My FemShep is pissed with the universe, and it shows). lol

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Top 3 for me would probably go something along the lines of

1.Samara: yes a lot of people will argue that there isn't really a choice here or that it falls into the "dady" issues category people oh so love to bring up but i thought the dialogue and execution was particularly well done with her mission. (that may just be me though.)

2.Tali: people said it before predictable but still pretty deep and emotional.

3.Garrus: not sure if this one is deep but the real difference in outcomes ranks it up there for me. (its not just the simple x wants to get away while y wants revenge, the ending were Sidonis essentially submits to death as "a act of atonement" for some reason caught me by surprise.)

Modifié par firest0rm, 12 avril 2010 - 01:36 .


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Thane's mission, it bought me at the very end when asking captain Baily why he's helping Thane so much.

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janeym27 wrote...

I actually really enjoy his quest. I think his 'revenge again!' attitude comes partly from losing Shepard (his defacto-mentor) and from the fact that he still hasn't learned to seperate his head and heart. Garrus never went 'presto-chango, no more vengence' in ME1, he simply aknowledged that Shep had shown another way. Knowing the right thing, and doing the right thing are not the same. Shep reminds him of who he is (one way or another) Then Shep disappears, and old habits die hard.

Or maybe it's cos most of the time I let him take the shot. (My FemShep is pissed with the universe, and it shows). lol

Ah, you have a point. :happy: I can forgive it with ME2 for those reasons, but if he keeps gunning for revenge with something in ME3 - even though I've resolved both the Dr. Saleon, and Sidonis things by getting him to be merciful (and he realised he was driven by anger both times!) - then I will not forgive it. He'll be taking the ME3 version of going in the vents!

Modifié par Chaos-fusion, 12 avril 2010 - 01:53 .


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For me I'd say Mordin's, Samara's and Thane's were the best.

Mordin's for the whole deep philosophical choice of whether the genophage is "right".
Samara's because Shepard was actually vulnerable (unarmored and weaponless) + Shepard could run around shout free drinks and start bar fights.
And Thane's because it managed to carry itself without having any combat whatso ever (and who doesn't love a good tarintino interrogation?)

I did like the new Kasumi DLC but it could of been much better if they had you invite a "date" to the party (your LI), that would of been an awesome oportunity for hilarious dialogue.

I was a teeney bit dissapointed with my favourite character Jack's LM because it could of been so much more, I personally think there should of been no combat at all and instead it just showed you how horrible and horrific her childhood actually was...

Modifié par GodWood, 12 avril 2010 - 02:01 .


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Jacobs loyalty quest just blow my mind I love the story about his father and how he used those poor ppl of his crew and I can really feel with Jacob when he just want an answer a reason why his father did it.

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I liked Tali's Quest the best, mostly for the speech Paragon Shepard gives if he choses to defend Tali without using the evidence. And "I wasn't defending one of your people, I was defending one of mine" (or something like that) was just a great line.

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Mordin's is a pretty hard choice, for me. Probalby because on the one hadn, you have Mordin rationalising what he did in the past and cannot change, facing up to the consequences of his actions, dealing with a choice which could change the outcome of his earlier work, accepting whatever choice that is... and yet it's not just all about him. It actually has reprocussions for the entire galaxy, not least the entire Krogan race. I just wish there was a way to play it where Shep doesn't sound so annoyed with him all the time. Seriously, paragon or renegade (or paragade), she's just mean.




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When one of my roomies and I did the Mordin and legion loyalties, we ended up in a 5 minute discussion over Mordin's. After 10 minutes, we needed a 3rd opinion for Legions. Most though provoking, for sure.

Most emotionally investing? Tali's, Miranda's, and Thane's. Tali's and Garrus' are the most satisfying when going Paragon imo.

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Tali's.

It was the longest:

-Politics disguised as a trial
-Alien culture
-War/Peace/Control
-Family
-Murder
-Man vs. Machine
-Lying to protect a friend (Raan, Shepard)
-Unethical/questionable experiments against a species/centuries long enemy for a possible hope of going home
-Trial of exile: Lie for a daughter's wish to protect her father's legacy because of unrequited love, or be honest to prove the daughter's innocence and hate you in the process, or a combination of the two which results in innocence/exile
-Hopes and dreams of reclaiming an entire homeworld after hundreds of years/suggesting to find a new homeworld
-Death of a loved one, an uncaring father, a misguided hero
-Basic unattainable desires (e.g. touching a flower)
-A solution by revealing the true nature of the trial through conversation and using a character's reputation, telling the truth, lying, or using the crowd's enthusiasm (5 choices, 7 outcomes)
-The developing of a personal relationship with a friend and confidant; a "captain", and a "member" of a ship. (vas Normandy)
-Throw in Legion for even more conflict and story

Also, Shepard can hug Tali.  Anytime Shepard shows emotion is extremely important.

Modifié par smudboy, 12 avril 2010 - 02:33 .