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#126
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While I can agree wih the overall sentiment of what you say, I am not in favor of similar scenes to the dream sequences because for one, I feel that those scenes are not there for the sake of humanizing Shepard but for the sake of symbolism and that is not an impression I want to come away with from a sequence that is suppose to be about PTSD and characterization. 

 

The dream sequences were also mandatory and so took the choice of how Shepard experienced loss and dealt with it out of the players' hands which is unnecessary, in my opinion as the below quests has shown it can be expanded upon while the option to do so rest with the player.

 

In my opinion, we should not have had to play through the dreams but instead have the option of talking to our companions about dreams or similar indications of post-trauma stress; if we go with the dreams, it should be up to the player to decide what the dreams were about and entailed through the ensuing dialogue and the effect it has on them thereby providing the oppertunity to actually explore the emotional and psychological impact the dreams have and allow for optional relationship building.

 

If Shepard refuses to talk to the companion about it then that provides a neat option of roleplaying and character building as well: One Shepard might have dealt alone with their grief for so long that, that is what they always do.
 
Quests like "I Remember Me" from the first Mass Effect, I feel, are the better way of humanizing Shepard and allow the players options in how to humanize Shepard.
 
I made a post about this a long while ago and thankfully, I could find it;
 

 

Basically, options and dialogue.

 

Note: this is my opinionated opinion. My personal dislike of the dream sequences and similar scenes do not extend to the people who like them.

 

See this I think is the better to way to present a counter argument to a previous poster's post, or one's own differing opinion to another person's. 

 

It's refreshing to see someone do this without insulting someone else, questioning their intelligence, and just presuming they are younger and inferior to you because they disagree with your supposedly "superior" opinion and outlook. 

 

And for the most part, I agree with you on the dream sequences. It was more the signs of stress and strain on Shepard I preferred and appreciated in ME3. I felt other characters had there moments too which was nice. Like Garrus talking to his family, Liara post-Thessia, etc. 


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I remember at one point shielding my eyes when I first played through, because it was all so eerily spooky that I didn't know what the kid would do when we finally caught up with him.  I didn't know if he would turn into a Marauder or if he'd just be this little kid with glowing eyes and picking his teeth with our shin bone after he got done eating us. 



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I remember at one point shielding my eyes when I first played through, because it was all so eerily spooky that I didn't know what the kid would do when we finally caught up with him.  I didn't know if he would turn into a Marauder or if he'd just be this little kid with glowing eyes and picking his teeth with our shin bone after he got done eating us. 

 

Haha the dreams were really scary! Especially with the whispers x



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There is just no "Glory" in/of war.


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The Glory is not in the war by itself but on those who have to do it. The friendship, the loyalty, the brotherhood of those who have to trust on their partners to survive and vice versa.

A Soldier doesn t choose to kill as someone said some posts ago. Maybe who said that is looking to some modern wars.

History tells me otherwise.



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The Glory is not in the war by itself but on those who have to do it. The friendship, the loyalty, the brotherhood of those who have to trust on their partners to survive and vice versa.

A Soldier doesn t choose to kill as someone said some posts ago. Maybe who said that is looking to some modern wars.

History tells me otherwise.

 

So being forced to kill someone against your will is glorious right??? You're either a murderer by choice or because you're being "made" to which I don't really get because you could just not pull the trigger. Even if someone tells you to you... you don't have to... not really. :/ You could say it's kill or be killed but even if I had a gun and was going to die... I wouldn't shoot anyone. :( Either way, it isn't glorious. It's stupid. War is stupid. The people who want to fight are stupid and I have no respect for them... no matter which side they're on. :(



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Not what i said...i just said that being a soldier sometime is not a choice of the soldier itself. 



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There is just no "Glory" in/of war.

I wonder how many people are going to comment on the title alone.

 

And not understand it.


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So being forced to kill someone against your will is glorious right??? You're either a murderer by choice or because you're being "made" to which I don't really get because you could just not pull the trigger. Even if someone tells you to you... you don't have to... not really. :/ You could say it's kill or be killed but even if I had a gun and was going to die... I wouldn't shoot anyone. :( Either way, it isn't glorious. It's stupid. War is stupid. The people who want to fight are stupid and I have no respect for them... no matter which side they're on. :(

So people are stupid for trying to survive? k, So the foreigners fighting the islamic state are stupid? k, Soldiers know they are going to kill and die and They have to live with it for the rest of their lives.

Also there is a thing called nationalism and the draft.

 

I agree war is awful. But wars don't always start for the sake of war. Politicians end up believing it's their only option. 



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You will find no Glory but you will find Gory in war.

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So being forced to kill someone against your will is glorious right??? You're either a murderer by choice or because you're being "made" to which I don't really get because you could just not pull the trigger. Even if someone tells you to you... you don't have to... not really. :/ You could say it's kill or be killed but even if I had a gun and was going to die... I wouldn't shoot anyone. :( Either way, it isn't glorious. It's stupid. War is stupid. The people who want to fight are stupid and I have no respect for them... no matter which side they're on. :(

 

Would you do it to defend your son? or daughter? or brother?...

War is stupid its the only thing i agree.

But do not blame the soldiers.


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You are antagonizing the men and women that sacrifice themselves. You're doing the exact same thing as the people who shouted "baby killers" at the vietnam vets



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It is funny that all say that "there is no glory" in war, but fail to see that glory is different to everybody.

 

But that is not what this thread is about, which make those comments even more stupid.  :rolleyes:

 

And now am I going in hiding.  :ph34r:


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So being forced to kill someone against your will is glorious right??? You're either a murderer by choice or because you're being "made" to which I don't really get because you could just not pull the trigger. Even if someone tells you to you... you don't have to... not really. :/ You could say it's kill or be killed but even if I had a gun and was going to die... I wouldn't shoot anyone. :( Either way, it isn't glorious. It's stupid. War is stupid. The people who want to fight are stupid and I have no respect for them... no matter which side they're on. :(

It doesn't work that way. Conscription and mandatory service doesn't leave much of a leeway for choice. It'd be rash and naive to judge all soldiers that way, without knowing the motivations and reasons behind their actions. Also while it's easy to say that you wouldn't pull the trigger now in the comfort of your home, things might turn out different in an actual situation, it is human nature after all. 

 

And calm down, no one is saying killing is glorious Irl and this isn't about real life. 



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... I'm sorry... :( Please forgive me if I've angered anyone...

 

I just... war in my eyes is killers fighting other killers... it's bad people fighting other bad people on the orders of more bad people... it isn't a place for good people or heroes. It's just violence. Paramedics, doctors, firemen, therapists... people like that are heroes in my eyes...

 

I guess... I just respect the people more who say that they're not going to fight... that they're not going to kill on behalf of people who don't know or care about them... I'd respect someone who refused to kill and was executed for it much more than someone who pulled the trigger...

 

Even in a video game like this... nearly everyone is a bad person to me. I'm playing as a villain... and that's why I don't mind if a character doesn't represent me... because they're not me. I'd go cry in a corner instead of fight haha x

 

I hope I haven't upset anyone with this. :( I'm really sorry if I have...



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^^^she is just confused by the title.



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In conclusion:

 

Read the original post, not just the title.



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In conclusion:

 

Read the original post, not just the title.

 

Haha I did read it... I'm just hoping that there'll be a pacifist option in this game. x



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It is funny that all say that "there is no glory" in war, but fail to see that glory is different to everybody.

But that is not what this thread is about, which make those comments even more stupid. :rolleyes:

And now am I going in hiding. :ph34r:

Watching friends die and killing somebody else's child for a most of the time stupid cause doesn't sound like glory to me. I want to be a United States Marine and I just finished reading Tim O'Briens the things they carried. There is no glory in war only pain and suffering. It's never going away. There will always be dangerous people. There will always be warmongers with agendas. The war against the Nazis, they had to be stopped, isis, they need to be stopped. But there is no glory.
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Watching friends die and killing somebody else's child for a most of the time stupid cause doesn't sound like glory to me. I want to be a United States Marine and I just finished reading Tim O'Briens the things they carried. There is no glory in war only pain and suffering. It's never going away. There will always be dangerous people. There will always be warmongers with agendas. The war against the Nazis, they had to be stopped, isis, they need to be stopped. But there is no glory.

 

According to you, yes, there is no glory, good for you. 

 

That does not change the FACT that there exist people that enjoy war and think that there is glory in it. Is that so hard to grasp?  :mellow:



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According to you, yes, there is no glory, good for you.

That does not change the FACT that there exist people that enjoy war and think that there is glory in it. Is that so hard to grasp? :mellow:

doesn't make it true. There is no pride or honor in seeing another human being die. Even in winning a war, there is still pain and suffering. Talk to people who lost their loved ones in war and see if there was any glory in that.
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Good luck buddy



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Good luck buddy

I don't need luck. It's the truth. Opinions aren't $#¡t here. War is nasty business. Is there anyone here who has actually been in a war?

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I don't need luck. It's the truth. Opinions aren't $#¡t here.

 

Well, your "truth" is a opinion.  so those that mean it is "$#!t" too?  :rolleyes:



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... I'm sorry... :( Please forgive me if I've angered anyone...

 

I just... war in my eyes is killers fighting other killers... it's bad people fighting other bad people on the orders of more bad people... it isn't a place for good people or heroes. It's just violence. Paramedics, doctors, firemen, therapists... people like that are heroes in my eyes...

 

I guess... I just respect the people more who say that they're not going to fight... that they're not going to kill on behalf of people who don't know or care about them... I'd respect someone who refused to kill and was executed for it much more than someone who pulled the trigger...

 

Even in a video game like this... nearly everyone is a bad person to me. I'm playing as a villain... and that's why I don't mind if a character doesn't represent me... because they're not me. I'd go cry in a corner instead of fight haha x

 

I hope I haven't upset anyone with this. :( I'm really sorry if I have...

 

You're entitled to your opinions, no need to apologize for them. Someone's always gonna get upset so screw it.

 

Also as I'm sure you've noticed, a large portion of the game consists of shooting baddies and blowing **** up. Why put yourself through all that trouble if you don't like it?