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[TheN7Penguin]

Youre right. It all depends on the type of person really. Age is only a number. Sure some people have their preferences but it's best not to discriminate.

I agree. I wouldn't ever discriminate against someone based on their age. What I said previously were preferences, i.e. I would prefer someone between the ages I mentioned before. But it is in no way set in stone. At the end of the day... as you said, age is only a number. It doesn't say anything about a person's maturity or anything like that, so when it comes to romance etc it's just a case of whether two people connect. That is the ONE important factor. People have their own preferences, yes, but at the end of the day, that's what comes first, above all else.

[General TSAR]

Didn't we have this with Cassandra who was in her mid to late 30s in DA:I?

 

I'm all for it.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

I approve of this. I'm 36 but I don't see myself as middle-aged yet lol.

Also, I think that women like Miranda And Yennefer are pretty sexy looking still at that age, I would guess they're in their thirties. They're my favorite female characters.

 

Actually Yennefer is around a 100 years old since she's a witch. But yes, for a centenarian she's absolutely gorgeous! 

[Silvery]

If you're looking for middle aged women to romance Cassandra from Dragon Age is available. According to her bio she's 38 years old and counting. I agree though, OP. I do hope the romance options for guys isn't some naive teenager-esque girl that somehow happens to wind up in the middle of the hero's story.

 

I actually recall wondering about this on my first playthrough when Cassandra mentions the story about her saving the divine from the dragon and how that was 20 years ago. Then I started wondering how old she was and figured she would have to be in her later 30's maybe early 40's. 

 

Honestly besides Liara (especially in ME1)  and Tali (who in ME1 is on her pilgrimage) most of the other female characters seem well established as mature women probably from mid 20s to mid 30s (or what correlation in alien years). I guess Samara probably fits being older then middle age since she is almost 1000.

 

Honestly, to me I could care less how old a character is.  If I go out of my way to romance them it is because I found them attractive and more important I really liked how they were as characters.  

[Element Zero]

I agree, except for the last sentence. DAI is their most childish game so far. Despite some mature things.

True. I wasn't really thinking in terms of DA. DAI caused me to give up on the IP, so I was mostly thinking of ME. In general, the fact that we all, young and younger ( ) keep buying their games, would seem to indicate that BioWare has managed to walk that particular tightrope, thus far. There really are so many considerations when creating a product for the masses.

[Element Zero]

I approve of this. I'm 36 but I don't see myself as middle-aged yet lol.
Also, I think that women like Miranda And Yennefer are pretty sexy looking still at that age, I would guess they're in their thirties. They're my favorite female characters.

Yep. Miri and Yen are my type of women-- brilliant, strong and beautiful. What's not to like? They each give off a rough vibe on the surface, which I probably wouldn't like in real-life, but they are both very different if you get to know the true character.

In the Witcher games, Geralt was really in a bind, since Triss was also a catch. I'd never have him part ways with Yen, though, since I always RP the Geralt I know from the books. Triss was a more than a bit selfish in even getting involved with Geralt. These are really the few strong, compelling female LIs I've ever encountered in VGs. As I mentioned earlier, I'm generally not much interested in the romance paths. Maybe TW was different because I was already engaged due to the books? And Miri was a grown ass woman, a woman worthy of Shepard's time.

[TheN7Penguin]

I've never romanced Miranda in any playthrough. Perfect genes are just... eh, no. And she's a terrorist.
 
 
I know there's this to consider:





But at the end of the day... still a terrorist.

As I said somewhere (think it was here), I've only ever romanced Tali in ONE of my many trilogy playthroughs. And I found it a little creepy because of how young she was. Then I changed to renegade femshep because that's my canon, and my headcanon about that is that she's too busy to think about a relationship. So yeah, I never romanced anyone in Mass Effect after that. Having an LI in a video game doesn't interest me much.

[Element Zero]

I don't think any of the SR2 crew really fell into the terrorist category. TIM carefully selected them, in part, so that Shepard would see an extremely sanitized vision of Cerberus. I think this applies to Miranda, too, even as a cell leader.

Remember, cells aren't privy to the specifics of other cells' work. None of the jobs we've seen her do are anything less than noble. Her work with Jacob was pretty heroic, as was her work with the Lazarus cell, culminating in a suicide mission to save humanity. She was idealistic and quick to make excuses for Cerberus because she hadn't seen their true face, yet. Putting principles ahead of practicality, and choosing the dangerous life of a fugitive, she defies TIM and quits Cerberus if Shepard chooses to destroy the Collector Base. She's unwilling to go as far as TIM is willing to go because she's no terrorist.

That's my experience with the character, at least. I've enjoyed all of the characters in ME, without exception. I know the experience varies a lot based upon how the player interacts with them each playthrough.

[straykat]

Miranda just cared about colony defense. I'm not the biggest fan, but she's a believer in their better qualities. That's why she gives up on TIM, if you destroy the collector base. Or gets appalled at her dad's actions.

[Quarian Master Race]

 

Honestly besides Liara (especially in ME1)  and Tali (who in ME1 is on her pilgrimage) most of the other female characters seem well established as mature women probably from mid 20s to mid 30s (or what correlation in alien years). I guess Samara probably fits being older then middle age since she is almost 1000.

 

I don't remember where I saw it, but IIRC Jack's also the same age as Tali (24 in ME2 according to codex birthdate of 2161), and Ashley is only 3 years older (born 2158). 

 

None of them are particularly far from Shep, who is basically 29-30 the whole series (born 2154 and doesn't age while dead for 2 years).

[TheN7Penguin]

I have total respect for her as a character, but she works for a racist terrorist organisation - thus removing her as a possibility for an LI. Especially considering you can't romance her as a female Shepard anyway. That's also an important factor.

 

The Illusive Man chose the Normandy SR2 crew so that Shepard would try to think of Cerberus in a positive light. It was a form of propaganda. Even if each cell aren't aware of what the other cell are doing, there will be reports on the extranet detailing assassinations and the like and linking them to Cerberus, meaning that there is no doubt in the fact that they would know what type of organisation that they are working for. And while I see them being quiet about their operations, I can't see them being quiet about their opinions - much like the more racist organisations or political parties today. People will know what they are like. The members of Cerberus either agree with what happens, or choose to ignore it.

In terms of Miranda's resurrection of Shepard, she admits to wanting to adding a control chip in her mind. Those aren't the words of a noble woman. Those are the words of a woman who would consider the saviour of the Citadel as a pawn to push around in a way that she would see fit. She only thinks otherwise when the war effort against the Reapers hinges on Shepard's actions. Again, not noble, selfish.

 

As I said, I have total respect for the character. I think she's among the trilogy's best characters. But I disagree with the fact that you think she's noble. I think she cares about her sister, and sees Shepard almost as a necessity when it comes to ME3, but that's all. It may be different if you romance her though, or even for a male Shepard. But that's the feeling I got while playing a renegade femshep.

[Element Zero]

Jack was another "romance" that felt just wrong. Her chronological age was in no way indicative of her reality. In some ways, she was more experienced in the ways of the world than anyone; but in other ways-- very important ways, she was just a kid. And she starts crying in the romance culmination scene!?! Ugh. Creepy. As with Tali, I could never do it. I felt like a predator. I'd have expected Chris Hanson to pop out of the engine room and say, "Why don't we have a seat?".

Good point about Shepard not aging those two years he was dead. That somehow never occurred to me. I guess I'd never had cause to think about him aging.

Ash was cool. I wish she'd been written better in ME3. As it is, I always leave her on Virmire, now. Better to remember her as she was, and all that...

[capn233]

This thread will definitely impress the middle aged woman OP is trying to seduce.

 

But seriously, this is another one of those ideas where I think "sure, why not," because it isn't a horrible idea, but if it didn't happen I wouldn't be upset in the slightest.

[straykat]

Jack was another "romance" that felt just wrong. Her chronological age was in no way indicative of her reality. In some ways, she was more experienced in the ways of the world than anyone, but other ways-- very important ways, she was just a kid. And me she starts crying in the romance culmination scene!?! Ugh. Creepy. As with Tali, I could never do it. I felt like a predator. I'd have expected Chris Hanson to pop out of the engine room and say, "Why don't we have a seat?".

Good point about Shepard not aging those two years he was dead. That somehow never occurred to me. I guess I'd never had cause to think about him aging.

Ash was cool. I wish she'd been written better in ME3. As it is, I always leave her on Virmire, now. Better to remember her as she was, and all that...

 

I always think people who find it creepy were mostly Paragon and trying to change her. Or disapproving. So it puts her in a weak position. Not sure.

 

It works better otherwise imo. She just found someone to connect with..after a lifetime of not.. that's all it is.

[Silvery]

I don't remember where I saw it, but IIRC Jack's also the same age as Tali (24 in ME2 according to codex birthdate of 2161), and Ashley is only 3 years older (born 2158). 

 

None of them are particularly far from Shep, who is basically 29-30 the whole series (born 2154 and doesn't age while dead for 2 years).

 

Hmm, never would have guess they were the same age. Then again Jack as been through a lot of **** and age has nothing to do with how you act if you have had vastly difference experience. Yeah, they are about the same age as Shep except Samara. 

[Element Zero]

It may be different if you romance her though, or even for a male Shepard. But that's the feeling I got while playing a renegade femshep.

You made several good points, but I think this is the key thing in any NPC discussion: the player experience differs drastically based upon the characters' interactions. The Miranda my Paragon Shepard romances is definitely very different than the one a Renegade FemShep will get to know. The writers don't get enough credit for this, in my opinion. The trilogy's endings may have ended up being Red-Blue-Green, but the journey has a thousand subtle variations. (If they'd have been clear from the beginning that this was going to be the case, we might have been impressed and appreciative, rather than pissed off and disgusted.)

[Element Zero]

I always think people who find it creepy were mostly Paragon and trying to change her. Or disapproving. So it puts her in a weak position. Not sure.
 
It works better otherwise imo. She just found someone to connect with..after a lifetime of not.. that's all it is.

Yeah, I know she was just crying because she'd finally found someone. I just felt like she needed therapy, time and space, or something... not another sexual relationship. I'm definitely a Paragon. You nailed that. I do wish they'd write a more realistic, pragmatic Renegade so that I could RP someone other than myself next time. ME's idea of Renegade was mostly a mixture of Jerk, Jackass and Asshat. I do use some interrupts and responses of the Renegade variety, but I'm mostly a Paragon.

[straykat]

Yeah, I know she was just crying because she'd finally found someone. I just felt like she needed therapy, time and space, or something... not another sexual relationship. I'm definitely a Paragon. You nailed that. I do wish they'd write a more realistic, pragmatic Renegade so that I could RP someone other than myself next time. ME's idea of Renegade was mostly a mixture of Jerk, Jackass and Asshat. I do use some interrupts and responses of the Renegade variety, but I'm mostly a Paragon.

 

You can play that somewhat in ME2. You could be Renegade in attitude.. but kind of pull through on big decisions -- and then respond in Renegade ways. Like the Collector Base. Destroying it is probably Paragon, but you can still be aggressive about it.

 

This is kind of what I what I do. It's like every 80s action character. They're all jerks who do mostly good.

[Element Zero]

I just replaced my Xbox 360. I was trying to wait for Xbox One comparability, but lost patience. I say that because it allowed for the longest gap in months between trilogy playthroughs that I've ever had. (I'm currently I'm ME3).

I really enjoyed the very thing you mentioned, being able to play things realistically, play things tough. No marine fighting for humanity's survival, partnering with a known terrorist organization, is going to expect to stay squeaky clean. I really appreciated, in this last playthrough, how ME2 allowed you to RP that struggle in some cases.

That Collector Base discussion with TIM is a perfect example. I remember the first time I played ME2, I was pissed that I couldn't bring up my concerns about the potential threat of indoctrination. I ultimately chose to destroy the base that first time.

I also remember the first time I played ME3 and Shepard said to TIM, in their first conversation, "That base was an abomination!". Derp! That line of reasoning was irrational.

I'm very careful to really draw out the conversation, now, if I choose destroy. I never want to hear that "abomination" nonsense again. That's the least of my concerns. Interestingly, the import does take note of that ME2 conversation and adjust that ME3 conversation accordingly.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

You can play that somewhat in ME2. You could be Renegade in attitude.. but kind of pull through on big decisions -- and then respond in Renegade ways. Like the Collector Base. Destroying it is probably Paragon, but you can still be aggressive about it.

 

This is kind of what I what I do. It's like every 80s action character. They're all jerks who do mostly good.

 

Yeah the way I played was mostly paragon with squadmates but renegade all the way with the baddies. It's way too much fun kicking people off buildings, punching reporters, headbutting krogan, setting people on fire and all the other inventive ways you get to kill the enemy. Also enjoyed telling the council where to shove their spectre status in ME2. 

[Element Zero]

Yeah the way I played was mostly paragon with squadmates but renegade all the way with the baddies. It's way too much fun kicking people off buildings, punching reporters, headbutting krogan, setting people on fire and all the other inventive ways you get to kill the enemy. Also enjoyed telling the council where to shove their spectre status in ME2.

I played nice with the Council, even throughout the BS of ME2. It was nice to be able to tell Hackett in ME3, "The Council's been a pain in my ass from day one. I'm done with them." Finally. There were a few such moments, one commiserating with Joker, and the "I told you this would happen" with Sparatus.

[straykat]

I played nice with the Council, even throughout the BS of ME2. It was nice to be able to tell Hackett in ME3, "The Council's been a pain in my ass from day one. I'm done with them." Finally. There were a few such moments, one commiserating with Joker, and the "I told you this would happen" with Sparatus.

 

I killed the Council already. So sometimes.... I don't "pull through" on the big decisions either.

[TheN7Penguin]

I saved the council, even in all my renegade playthroughs. I spent most of the game hanging up on them, but whatever.

[Quarian Master Race]

Jack was another "romance" that felt just wrong. Her chronological age was in no way indicative of her reality. In some ways, she was more experienced in the ways of the world than anyone; but in other ways-- very important ways, she was just a kid. And she starts crying in the romance culmination scene!?! Ugh. Creepy. As with Tali, I could never do it. I felt like a predator. I'd have expected Chris Hanson to pop out of the engine room and say, "Why don't we have a seat?".

Good point about Shepard not aging those two years he was dead. That somehow never occurred to me. I guess I'd never had cause to think about him aging.

Ash was cool. I wish she'd been written better in ME3. As it is, I always leave her on Virmire, now. Better to remember her as she was, and all that...

Most squick thing to me is the whole superior-subordinate aspect of damn near every ME romance. But any of them predatory in a  Chris Hansen (i.e 13-15 yo/pedophilia) sort of manner? I wouldn't even class ME1 Liara's (admittedly cringeworty for other reasons) portayal that way. Everyone you can pursue is well above being of age, and no more than 5 or so years off Shep one way or the other, except Thane (who's like 40 and a widower), and the asari (who have a weird life cycle. 

 

Then again I'm 24. So my frame of reference could be different from yours.

 

renegade 

 

 telling the council where to shove their spectre status in ME2. 

What Council?

[straykat]

Yeah, not even Liara classifies as young to me. She's sweet and all, but the Asari creep me out in general because of the mind melding. And the crazy eyes.