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[Ralfufigus]

So, the current theory is that the ARK leaves before any of the choices are made in ME3, which would make sense. I'm not sure whether or not this has been addressed, but if that's the case, the Krogan in ME:A will not be cured of the Genophage. Will we have to endure even more drama about the cruelness/necessity of the Genophage? What do you think?

[GoldenGail3]

They bloody better be cured of the genophade.

[straykat]

Will we have to endure even more drama about the cruelness/necessity of the Genophage? What do you think?

 

I imagine so. I'm not excited, if that's the case. I already saw that story. And it also makes me wonder about Wrex in ME1... how he said the Krogan couldn't even bother to colonize. They are truly worthless... I'm sorry. Without the genophage, they just want everything, but don't have the energy/hope to put in the work.

[Ralfufigus]

They bloody better be cured of the genophade.

I agree with you here. But logically speaking, if these Krogan were on the way to Andromeda while the Genophage cure is released, how could they have received it?

[The Elder King]

I imagine so. I'm not excited, if that's the case. I already saw that story. And it also makes me wonder about Wrex in ME1... how he said the Krogan couldn't even bother to colonize. They are truly worthless... I'm sorry. Without the genophage, they just want everything, but don't have the energy/hope to put in the work.

From the little info leaked

Spoiler

it seems their have their own colonization ship/project. We'll see how it'll turn out.

In any case, that was a different situation. Krogans under Wrex seems a little bit more open to do things like the other species. If anything Wrex knows that if they do the same thing they did in the Krogan Rebellions the salarian won't develop a 'simple' genophage.

[The Elder King]

I agree with you here. But logically speaking, if these Krogan were on the way to Andromeda while the Genophage cure is released, how could they have received it?

The only way I can see a cure working for Andromeda, is that they developed a cure on the voyage, Not the best solution, but if the voyage happened during the trilogy is the only way to work.

And the krogan's presence is kind of a support for this theory, since if the voyage happened after ME3, even without considering the endings issue, the krogans would in very different situations if cured or not.

[straykat]

From the little info leaked

Spoiler

it seems their have their own colonization ship/project. We'll see how it'll turn out.

In any case, that was a different situation. Krogans under Wrex seems a little bit more open to do things like the other species. If anything Wrex knows that if they do the same thing they did in the Krogan Rebellions the salarian won't develop a 'simple' genophage.

 

I'm not talking about the ones under Wrex. I mean when he was a Merc in ME1, and you can tell him that they should settle down and colonize. He scoffs at it. They have no ambition for much of anything.

[The Elder King]

I'm not talking about the ones under Wrex. I mean when he was a Merc in ME1, and you can tell him that they should settle down and colonize. He scoffs at it. They have no ambition for much of anything.

Well their mentality is set on certain things. Wrex explicitely said in ME2 that he has to change the krogans in order for them to survive.

It's true that Wrex isn't in the Andromeda ship/s, but I guess they might follow this path. I honestly hope they won't rehash the same plots for the MW species that they had in the trilogy.

[ZipZap2000]

I'm going to say, no.

 

And I have a few reasons why that nobody will agree with as usual. (Fun isn't it?)

 

1. If theories about the ARK being the Citadel like artwork are correct then the Krogan would breed everyone else into extinction either by direct execution or starvation. Water will also be a factor, having 5000 kids to feed in a single family is going to lead to a lot of flushing, showering and other forms of consumption.

 

2. Unleashing the Krogan on Andromeda would be like unleashing the indoctrinated Rachni that led to the Krogan being uplifted in the first place and there is no plan B that doesn't involve bringing in an even more dangerous species to put them down again. (Other than another genocidal bioweapon of mass destruction.) So it makes little sense to bring them as they're as likely to wipe you out as the people you intend to use them against.

 

3. It's already stated,there is no canon ending. Cured Krogan would fly in the face of that, it would mean no matter what path you chose Shepard always cured the Genophage or worse, always chose Synthesis and the Krogan cured themselves.

 

4. Leaving after the Tuchanka TL makes little sense unless its immediately after the Citadel coup, when the cure hasn't been dispersed to all Krogan yet. After that point the Galaxy is rapidly falling, exit paths toward relays are being blocked and all available resources are now being focused on the Crucible.

 

5. Leaks, tweets and other comments by devs leave me thinking the Krogan haven't changed one bit. Think of the vid showing that Krogan with a gas canister giggling while the human dies. Curing them means a returns to the horde, that would mean the Krogan replace the Reapers as the near unkillable super race.

 

 

If it does happen they'll have to wipe the old Krogan off the whiteboard and start over with a slightly less invincible and more happy go lucky Krogan male.
 

 

 

OT: How do people feel about Krogan females being the only ones in the galaxy capable of kicking the Krogan males backsides? They could be bigger, stronger, smarter and have them completely whipped? The Horde would be at their beck and call don't mess with them or they'll let the dogs off the leash.

[Ralfufigus]

The only way I can see a cure working for Andromeda, is that they developed a cure on the voyage, Not the best solution, but if the voyage happened during the trilogy is the only way to work.
And the krogan's presence is kind of a support for this theory, since if the voyage happened after ME3, even without considering the endings issue, the krogans would in very different situations if cured or not.

You see, that makes sense, but I think it detracts from the accomplishment of curing the genophage in ME3. Shepard went on several missions to fully implement the cure, losing quite a few lives along the way, especially if you consider the Krogan that were tested on. The fact that a bunch of people on a ship were able to casually create a cure with limited resources makes everything else seem like it wasn't much of an accomplishment...

[The Elder King]

Did you see my spoiler post, ZipZap? That sounds to me like a change.

The krogan enemy we saw in that leak doesn't mean much. There'll be bad people from every species.

Also, they did mention they might change a bit the MW species in some way in some panels (I think they were talking about the salarians).

Anyway, regardless if they're cured or not, the krogans are probably part of the MW community in peaceful/neutral terms, so they'll be a bit different from before in any case.

[The Elder King]

You see, that makes sense, but I think it detracts from the accomplishment of curing the genophage in ME3. Shepard went on several missions to fully implement the cure, losing quite a few lives along the way, especially if you consider the Krogan that were tested on. The fact that a bunch of people on a ship were able to casually create a cure with limited resources makes everything else seem like it wasn't much of an accomplishment...

I know. As I said, it's the only way a cured krogan race works in my opinion, I didn't mean it was a good idea.

I don't think player choices will matter on this point, since I think we'll all start from the same position regardless of our choices in ME3. Our choices on the krogans in ME3 wont' affect the krogans in Andromeda in my opinion, so they'll either be cured or not cured, not both based on our choices.

[Cyonan]

The Genophage doesn't seem like it's all that hard to cure anyway.

 

I mean, we came across 2 and a half cures in 3 games.

[Ralfufigus]

I'm going to say, no.
 
And I have a few reasons why that nobody will agree with as usual. (Fun isn't it?)
 
1. If theories about the ARK being the Citadel like artwork are correct then the Krogan would breed everyone else into extinction either by direct execution or starvation. Water will also be a factor, having 5000 kids to feed in a single family is going to lead to a lot of flushing, showering and other forms of consumption.
 
2. Unleashing the Krogan on Andromeda would be like unleashing the indoctrinated Rachni that led to the Krogan being uplifted in the first place and there is no plan B that doesn't involve bringing in an even more dangerous species to put them down again. (Other than another genocidal bioweapon of mass destruction.) So it makes little sense to bring them as they're as likely to wipe you out as the people you intend to use them against.
 
3. It's already stated,there is no canon ending. Cured Krogan would fly in the face of that, it would mean no matter what path you chose Shepard always cured the Genophage or worse, always chose Synthesis and the Krogan cured themselves.
 
4. Leaving after the Tuchanka TL makes little sense unless its immediately after the Citadel coup, when the cure hasn't been dispersed to all Krogan yet. After that point the Galaxy is rapidly falling, exit paths toward relays are being blocked and all available resources are now being focused on the Crucible.
 
5. Leaks, tweets and other comments by devs leave me thinking the Krogan haven't changed one bit. Think of the vid showing that Krogan with a gas canister giggling while the human dies. Curing them means a returns to the horde, that would mean the Krogan replace the Reapers as the near unkillable super race.
 
 
If it does happen they'll have to wipe the old Krogan off the whiteboard and start over with a slightly less invincible and more happy go lucky Krogan male.
 
 
 
OT: How do people feel about Krogan females being the only ones in the galaxy capable of kicking the Krogan males backsides? They could be bigger, stronger, smarter and have them completely whipped? The Horde would be at their beck and call don't mess with them or they'll let the dogs off the leash.

Excellent post. As far as the female Krogan becoming the dominant sex, that actually sounds interesting and would make sense. If the genophage persists in ME:A, I'd imagine that the Krogan with the most leverage would be the ones capable of producing more Krogan. A Krogan female that's successfully birthed another Krogan could probably get the males to do whatever she wanted. It would be pretty awesome to see the Krogan transition to a matriarchal society.

[ZipZap2000]

Did you see my spoiler post, ZipZap? That sounds to me like a change.

The krogan enemy we saw in that leak doesn't mean much. There'll be bad people from every species.

Also, they did mention they might change a bit the MW species in some way in some panels (I think they were talking about the salarians).

Anyway, regardless if they're cured or not, the krogans are probably part of the MW community in peaceful/neutral terms, so they'll be a bit different from before in any case.

 

No im having issues atm with my connection. The  phone rang earlier and the  ringtone came through my xbox on the other side of the room. Spoilers vids and stuff aren't loading sorry, try soon. 

[ZipZap2000]

If the genophage persists in ME:A, I'd imagine that the Krogan with the most leverage would be the ones capable of producing more Krogan. A Krogan female that's successfully birthed another Krogan could probably get the males to do whatever she wanted. .

 

 

Her name was Shiagur, Turians killed her. 

 

They were made examples.......

[Ralfufigus]

Her name was Shiagur, Turians killed her. 
 
They were made examples.......

Exactly. But instead of becoming a warlord, imagine if Shiagur was more like Bakara. I hope that's the route they take with ME:A.

[ZipZap2000]

From the little info leaked

Spoiler

it seems their have their own colonization ship/project. We'll see how it'll turn out.

In any case, that was a different situation. Krogans under Wrex seems a little bit more open to do things like the other species. If anything Wrex knows that if they do the same thing they did in the Krogan Rebellions the salarian won't develop a 'simple' genophage.

 

OK got it now. 

 

And i mostly agree with the rest as well Wrex understands that the Krogan will follow him if he's strong enough and his politics have made him stronger than anyone else in some time. He no longer even needs to wage wars symbolically striking down a clan name leads to his allies destroying it. But that in itself says a lot, Wrex is still just as violent as any other Krogan, he simply no longer needs to get his hands dirty. 

 

I hold out hope the females will lead tbh, the Krogan race would be far more interesting if they were as wise and disciplined as they were strong. More Spartan i guess, the guys you turn to when you're in trouble and hope they deem the war worth fighting.

[serviteur de femto]

Actually,

 

The writer might still want to exploits that part of the krogan culture, to make sure tension still remains among the ark with the krogan salarian and turian and the pathfinder have to maintain peace between all the species on board. But at that point it might be a bit repetitive with the previous mass effects, I really don't know.

[In Exile]

Curing the genophage was a waste. They had a brilliant idea with Wrex in ME2 trying to rebuild the culture from the ground up. They wasted that one in ME3.

[The Elder King]

Curing the genophage was a waste. They had a brilliant idea with Wrex in ME2 trying to rebuild the culture from the ground up. They wasted that one in ME3.

I agree on that. 

Though who knows, maybe they'll take that plot again if the genophage isn't cured in Andromeda.

[In Exile]

I agree on that.
Though who knows, maybe they'll take that plot again if the genophage isn't cured in Andromeda.

That's what I hope. It was an interesting look at a group that needed to redefine itself to survive. ME3 turned it into "Nope, actually,sorry about all that reform stuff guys, cures for everyone!"

[MassFrost]

May not even be brought up at all. It's kind of a tired plot point by now anyway.

[SKAR]

So, the current theory is that the ARK leaves before any of the choices are made in ME3, which would make sense. I'm not sure whether or not this has been addressed, but if that's the case, the Krogan in ME:A will not be cured of the Genophage. Will we have to endure even more drama about the cruelness/necessity of the Genophage? What do you think?

That would make the most sense.

[straykat]

Curing the genophage was a waste. They had a brilliant idea with Wrex in ME2 trying to rebuild the culture from the ground up. They wasted that one in ME3.

 

I loved the male Shaman and what he and Grunt represented.