I never really got the appeal to large amounts of gore. At some point it just comes off as more cartoony than anything else.
It works okay enough for a game like Fallout because it's already not fully taking itself seriously, but Mass Effect isn't like that.
Indeed I buy Bioware's games for their stories not for their gore. Yes they make mature games but I'm glad Bioware concentrate more on telling a good story than going OTT with things like gore. Besides I think they know not to go OTT with it anyway unless they'er going with a kind of story like DA2 where they can get away with a little exaggeration.
Yeah. Plus, I don't think ME is a walk through candy land, either. The games got more bloody with time (e.g. Rila gets a freaking Banshee claw through her body [and is badass about it, btw]) and the Reaper creatures are worse versions of Frankenstein's monster. We can see piles of dead bodies where it's more about the idea of death and suffering than showing it in gruesome detail, because BW games are more about the emotional impact rather than wanting to make you look away from how gross it is. There's still shooting and some blood. The violence is there, but it isn't too awful. And it doesn't need to be awful. Basically, there's little to fix as it is, I think.
As far as I'm concerned, I just don't want any more antics like Jenkins' where you don't see any damage done whatsoever. (Even simple damaged armour would do. It doesn't need to have guts spilling out of it.) Mostly because it tends to look silly when a character gets shot into pieces and yet looks perfectly fine. (DAI spoilers: Another "good" example is Leliana in In Hushed Whispers where her attire is completely spotless and in perfect condition after who knows how much abuse.)
I never really got the appeal to large amounts of gore. At some point it just comes off as more cartoony than anything else.
It works okay enough for a game like Fallout because it's already not fully taking itself seriously, but Mass Effect isn't like that.
yeah it does really I can see how it works in games like Doom and in Mortal Kombat as it's not so much about the story it's about shooting and killing everything that moves and creating as much carnage as possible and whilst I do enjoy games like Doom and Mortal Kombat I don't think I'd want it too much in my other games. Because it can make the story feel a bit cartoony and overdone and spoil the immersion by doing so.
Don't forget Killzone, soo satisfying to get melee kills in the mutiplayer.
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Honestly, I was quite surprised when that happened. That was unusually messed up for this franchise. ME has always contained horror and body horror elements (e.g. all the Reaper creatures), but seeing (for me it was) Lilith melt took me by surprise. It almost feels out of place (Not complaining, mind you.) because the rest of the franchise seems somewhat tame in comparison. Like, there's some blood here and there and some boogiemen, but nothing overly dramatic (I think). Not that the games don't have their moments.
Not really. On the opposite, it was perfect and perfectly fine. I absolutely loved that scene. It hardly lasted more than a few seconds. How could it be inappropriate ? That scene was used for story reasons, it didn't feel out of place at all to me. What were doing the collectors was morally wrong and horrible, it was said and repeated since the beginning of M2. Remember that whole speech of TIM about our biggest enemy, an enemy that Humanity has never faced ? You finally see what that meant, it adds to that feeling of being opressed while you are adventuring in their main horrible base where horrible things are done. The point was to show you how bad their means were and how your decisions had consequences, it added to your distress. It's not just gore for the sake of it or just fun. Any gore done for story purpose at one particular point in a particular scene meant to be " dramatic " is okay and just fine by me. That cutescene was as emotional as a bit gore. ( meh, i've seen much worse )It shaked me and gave more motivations at this moment to my shepard to destroy the collectors and save all humans, which is probably what was the feeling intended. Horror and motivation. It worked on me, I do not regret at all having seen this cutescene, it was a part of an amazing experience. I'd say kudos Bioware.
I might have expressed myself badly because I don't feel like mentioning that I have no issues with violence in every single post as I have made several. I can have peaceful breakfast while watching that sort of stuff. I've been enjoying my first playthrough of Dead Space lately, so... Nothing in Mass Effect really fazes me in this department. (Unless it's violence on the innocent and Shepard's friends and such, and then that just makes me angry or sad for the right reasons. Like the thing with not being able to save Lilith.) I didn't actually say there was anything wrong with this scene. Nor did I say it was inappropriate. (Such comments in my other posts belonged to more hardcore stuff.) I just said it was unusually gritty in comparison with all that had come before. It was more of a neutral observation rather than anything else, not disapproval. Basically, I agree with what you're saying.
Hm, I've actually never seen Kelly dissolve. Just Lilith. I'm planning a playthrough where I want to recruit Legion early so I guess I will eventually.
What is meant by gore?
I'm fine with blood splatters, bullet holes and bodies in armor being damaged like they probably should be when hit by futuristic railguns; really, a head being hit by a massive anti-matériel rifle should asplode.
What I feel would be out of place is Fallout-style cartoonish exageration where shotguns blow basketball-sized holes in people (FO1 and 2) or where pistols can dismember (FO3-FO4). Or stuff like the slow-mo bullet cam of Sniper Elite, or the fatalities of Mortal Kombat. These last two I just find gross, personally. I don't mind gore when it's a logical result of the type of weapon we use, but reveling in it seems immature to me.
As long as I can turn it off or down, I don't care.
Mass Effect's body armor should prevent a lot of gore anyway. This is armor that under some circumstances can prevent injury from rounds fired from rail guns. So in the instances where a round does manage to penetrate the armor, even if what is underneath is turned to mush, most of it should still be contained within that armor. Considering the body armor can sometimes stop (or deflect) rounds travelling at supersonic velocities, it's very likely that even rounds that have penetrated the armor have lost a lot of their velocity. A good deal of the impact is going to be absorbed by that body armor. Think of it like a tank destroyed by an anti-tank weapon. The people within that tank may look like spaghetti, but the tank in most cases is going to look largely intact from the outside except for where the round penetrated the tank's armor.
Truly gruesome injuries would mostly be limited to people shot while unarmored, which happens almost never in the series.
I doubt it. If the player had to do some really stupid gameplay, like sloving crossword puzzles about various species of fungi, in order to see all the brutal fatalities, nobody would buy the game. The gore alone won't make anyone, at least not anyone noteworthy, buy a game.
Are you even remotely familiar with the history of Mortal Kombat? If it weren't for the gore, it would have been relegated to history as another Street Fighter 2 wannabe. The graphic content (it was graphic at the time) is one of the factors behind the formation of the ESRB, which is the video game ratings board in the United States. Across like 16 games, only 2 of them have decent fighting engines, those being MK9 in 2011 and MKX of 2015, and those are both considered subpar to "proper" fighting games like Street Fighter or Marvel vs. Capcom.
I agree that Kelly/Lilith liquefying was a notably more shocking moment in the trilogy since there wasn't really a precedent before it in the rest of ME1 or 2, though I thought that was nothing compared to what happened to Maria Santiago in Gears of War.
Sniper Elite kill cams are awful. When you hit someone in the tentacles you're just like... no.
Sniper Elite kill cams are awful. When you hit someone in the tentacles you're just like... no.
Are you playing the Japanese School Girl edition by any chance?
and yeah Bioware is more about telling a good story not showing OTT gore
Implying there's some sort of mutual exclusivity here?
Right......We don't have to agree but we can at least try to be nice about it.
Call me a wussypants, but I turn blood and gore off in every game that I can. I don't need that crap. It's another reason why I've never finished The Last Of Us, I wish I could turn the gore off and a language filter on.
never played fallout and dismembered limbs aren't limited to gun shots. *cough* omni blades *cough*
Heads and limbs explode with any gun, shotgun, or rifle. Hell shoot a mini-nuke at a group of raiders and you have flaming body parts all over post-apocalyptic Boston.
My problem with the OP's post while Fallout 4 might be more "real" than any BioWare game in it's gore for me however all the gore in Fallout 4 quickly becomes so over-the-top that it becomes unintentionally funny that it loses all and any sense of realism, impact, and shock value that it was supposed to or might have intended.
And IMHO making the horrors of combat/war into a comedy clip for youtube is disrespectful for the people who went through that hell.
There's nothing at all realistic about the gore in Fallout.
Implying there's some sort of mutual exclusivity here?
no I was stating it because that's where Boiware concentrate most of their efforts because that's what works best for them.Also I don't think the stories in Mortal Kombat and Doom are that brilliant because in those games the story takes moer of a back seat. They're fun games I don' tdeny that in fact I own all the Doom games although I don't tend to play them much these days and I have the new one ordered on Steam as well just waiting for the preload to become active. But I bought it because it's a fun game but when I want a game with a great story that's what I turn to Bioware's games for not to just see blood spraying everywhere
Honestly, I don't want a repeat of ME2's with blue-purple-greenish blood. I wonder if they might put up blood colour toggle as in Silent Hill 3.
Blowing individual limbs off? Sure! Endless oceans of blood and splish splash - no. But I'm aware that OP means the fist one, the realistic and cruel kind.
In the future it would just help everyone if you described the topic a little more. There are, especially in video games, different kinds of gore. Realistic stuff and over the top splatter sh*t! The latter does not fit. But I think a healthy mix between Mass Effect and Fallout could work.
Implying there's some sort of mutual exclusivity here?
More Gore? I'm all for it. How bout you guys and gals?
Absolutely NOT!
I sure hope BW does not look at a topic like this and the responses as input from the fan base.
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