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[harktag]

Hey, everyone! I am in need of people's thoughts and insight. I am currently GMing a Dragon Age Tabletop RPG game on my YouTube channel and one of my main NPCs is a mage who has become tranquil. Now a big part of Dragon Age (at least in my campaigns) is the romantic aspects of it. There are already a couple PCs who have grown very attached to the tranquil NPC I created. 

The big thing I wanted to find out is can tranquil have romantic feelings? My initial feeling was no, but later I begin to wonder. Tranquil still have basic human survival instinct. One could argue that procreation for the survival of the species could be a basic survival instinct in a way. But even if they could do that, would that necessarily mean that they could also have a sex drive? And of course, people can definitely procreate without "love" being involved.

 

Tranquil have definitely shown to be capable of being attached (or at least protective) of specific people. I'm sure they still have people that they consider "friends." But can it go beyond that? From a storytelling standpoint, I think it would be super fascinating for a PC to start having deep feelings for a character when they very well know that such feelings can never be reciprocated. The tragedy of unrequited love. However, I wanted to hear from you folks what you think of this issue, because I truly am not sure at all.

 

[straykat]

I think Karl kind of sums up what that looks like.

[Qun00]

You know what I do wonder? If they still enjoy the basic pleasures of life, such as good food and good sex. These things don't require emotions.

[straykat]

I think they might be able to enjoy those things. It doesn't look good for actual "romantic" feelings though.

 

I would even say Romance is all about dreaming. And it's those dreams that motivate one to enact it. It's not carnal.. it's more than that. It's staring at the night, thinking about one person. It's what poets are made of.

[Illegitimus]

Hey, everyone! I am in need of people's thoughts and insight. I am currently GMing a Dragon Age Tabletop RPG game on my YouTube channel and one of my main NPCs is a mage who has become tranquil. Now a big part of Dragon Age (at least in my campaigns) is the romantic aspects of it. There are already a couple PCs who have grown very attached to the tranquil NPC I created. 

The big thing I wanted to find out is can tranquil have romantic feelings? My initial feeling was no, but later I begin to wonder. Tranquil still have basic human survival instinct. One could argue that procreation for the survival of the species could be a basic survival instinct in a way. But even if they could do that, would that necessarily mean that they could also have a sex drive? And of course, people can definitely procreate without "love" being involved.

 

Tranquil have definitely shown to be capable of being attached (or at least protective) of specific people. I'm sure they still have people that they consider "friends." But can it go beyond that? From a storytelling standpoint, I think it would be super fascinating for a PC to start having deep feelings for a character when they very well know that such feelings can never be reciprocated. The tragedy of unrequited love. However, I wanted to hear from you folks what you think of this issue, because I truly am not sure at all.

 

 

 

I don't see much indication that they have "basic survival instincts".  It would be more accurate to say they "prefer to avoid discomfort and conflict".  And while one could argue that procreation for the survival of the species is a basic survival instinct, one would be wrong.    

[Shechinah]

To my knowledge, the Tranquil cannot have romantic feelings and if they had any romantic feeling before, they cease to have them after becoming Tranquil.

 

This is speculation, however; It is doubtful, I think that the Tranquil would have a sexdrive that they'd act upon 3even if the act might still be physically enjoyable for them. I can see them engaging in sex for the benefit of someone else.

[Brass_Buckles]

Tranquil have no emotions, or are at least very distanced from their emotions.  They may experience arousal, but not "romantic feelings" like affection.

 

There's suggestion (or maybe it's outright stated in-game) that Tranquil are, to put it bluntly, raped in some of the more abusive Circles.  This would suggest that the Tranquil don't want sex, or at least not with that person/at that time.

 

It's arguable that they may have some emotions, though.  Maddox was loyal beyond what he logically should have been, simply because Samson had given him something to believe in.  But wait... that would imply that a Tranquil can feel faith... which is an emotion!  And yet, that's also how Seekers become Seekers.  They are made Tranquil, then cured by merging with a spirit of Faith.

 

Tranquil mostly do as they are told, though.  They prefer not to come to harm, but... that's about it.  I doubt they still feel the urge to procreate because they no longer feel fear, thus have no drive to replace themselves before they die.  Also, magic is hereditary, which Tranquil would know.  So that may rule out heterosexual pairings for Tranquil if they would prefer not to pass on their magical ability (assuming their offspring would most likely also be made Tranquil).

 

So long post short, well... they might possibly have sex (willingly, one would hope, if they do--and I'm not sure they wouldn't just take care of any physical urges on their own), but they wouldn't have "romantic feelings," which would involve affection, love, etc.  You know... emotions.  There's not going to be love or affection involved from the Tranquil, and therefore the Tranquil isn't really capable of a relationship of that sort.  Most people canonly are meant to find Tranquil creepy because they have no emotion, no will, no drive--sort of like pawns in Dragon's Dogma.  They have a preference to live and be useful, but even that's not really an emotion.

 

Edited to add:  Lore-wise there is something you could do, if your Tranquil has not been Tranquil for long.  If a Tranquil is "touched by" a spirit, or merges with one, they are cured.  But if they have been Tranquil for very long, they lack any control at all over their renewed emotions--and that's dangerous for a mage.  If your Tranquil is fully adult, he/she probably has been Tranquil long enough to have this side effect.  Could be a cruel plot twist if your PCs fell in love with a cured Tranquil only to find he/she can't survive without being made Tranquil again--and then no longer feeling even a tiny bit of that newfound love.

[correctamundo]

Tranquils are hit with the most major of major tranquilisers. Sexual dysfunction is very common side effect because of the direct dampening of the reward centre. I sincerely doubt that tranquils would be interested.

[Serza]

No. They're Tranquil. There ain't no train going over that.

[Sah291]

I don't know... I guess I kind of see them as being sort of like androids, in a way. They do still appear to have preferences, they can still reason, and they are still people, but their actions are now all based on what is logical for them, and not on emotion anymore. They could still form friendships and may be able to care for someone in particular, but in their own way, and I don't think "romance" as we would ordinarily think of it.

They might be willing to do romantic things with someone they consider a friend/companion, if they thought it would make them happy, but they wouldn't necessarily feel the need to. They do appear to still have their memories of having had emotions and affection for things in the past, they just don't seem to remember why exactly they felt the way they did.

So I think that they would probably look at love and procreation in a very logical and objective way. They might think of a reason for doing it, and might still care for someone, but in their own way.

So yeah, might be an interesting thing to write. Could the PCs deal with that? Even if it was an asexual relationship? Would they accept it? How would they feel about a cure? And what would happen if they were cured...would they still feel the same, or suddenly want to be with someone else. We know the cure for tranquility is to be touched by a spirit. Does being loved by another person also have any effect on breaking it at all? We haven't seen it in game, but something interesting for characters to ponder.

[Beren Von Ostwick]

Only once every seven years, when Pon Farr takes hold of them.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I would say no but, they probably are physically capable of sexual intercourse and, would do so if that were their duty, or the best way to be useful to whomever was providing their needs (food, shelter, clothing, etc...) I think they would perform sexually as a job the same as they will do research, mix potions, etc... it's a use for their skills and, that seems to be important to them.

[JD Buzz]

No, because having a romantic relationship is emotional between two people. As for having sex, I think it would be awkward and lack of passion between someone and a tranquil. 

[Qun00]

No, because having a romantic relationship is emotional between two people. As for having sex, I think it would be awkward and lack of passion between someone and a tranquil.

Casual sex doesn't lack passion...

[Rel Fexive]

Casual sex doesn't lack passion...

Casual sex with an emotional void would.

[Serza]

Casual sex doesn't lack passion...

 

Yeah, necrophilia will likely feel better at that point.

 

Nothing like being told to "yes, go! Oh yes! More!" in a flat, emotionless voice of the Tranquil. Congrats on losing your hard-on.

[Donk]

Yeah, necrophilia will likely feel better at that point.

Nothing like being told to "yes, go! Oh yes! More!" in a flat, emotionless voice of the Tranquil. Congrats on losing your hard-on.

Got experience in the matter?

[maia0407]

Yeah, necrophilia will likely feel better at that point.
 
Nothing like being told to "yes, go! Oh yes! More!" in a flat, emotionless voice of the Tranquil. Congrats on losing your hard-on.

Lol. This post says awesome things about you though! Sounds like someone cares about whether or not their partner is into the deed! Big thumbs up!

[harktag]

Thank you guys so much for your feedback! So far it's incredible how the campaign is going. One of the PCs has gotten more and more attached to the character and the players behind the scenes are already anticipating the "tragedy" involved in that relationship. We are all looking forward to seeing what becomes of this situation in the story!

[Qun00]

Yeah, necrophilia will likely feel better at that point.

Nothing like being told to "yes, go! Oh yes! More!" in a flat, emotionless voice of the Tranquil. Congrats on losing your hard-on.

Yes, that seems less than thrilling. However, basic needs don't require emotions. Even simple minded animals still experience hunger, thirst and sexual urges.

Lol. This post says awesome things about you though! Sounds like someone cares about whether or not their partner is into the deed! Big thumbs up!

Oh, don't be shy. Speak to me directly.

[MisterJB]

There's suggestion (or maybe it's outright stated in-game) that Tranquil are, to put it bluntly, raped in some of the more abusive Circles.  This would suggest that the Tranquil don't want sex, or at least not with that person/at that time.

 

I believe it would suggest that they don't have any strong feelings one way or the other. Pride, attraction, disgust, self-respect, all of the things that lead to us wanting to have sex with certain people under certain cirscuntances and avoid others would not be present in a Tranquil. Hence, all it would take would be for them to determine refusing sex would lead to greater complications than complying.

 

And of course, this is still rape.
 

[GoldenGail3]

No, considering they don't really have emotions...

[Serza]

Got experience in the matter?

 

Doooonk!

 

Of course not...

 

Lol. This post says awesome things about you though! Sounds like someone cares about whether or not their partner is into the deed! Big thumbs up!

 

Well... yeah.

 

Yes, that seems less than thrilling. However, basic needs don't require emotions. Even simple minded animals still experience hunger, thirst and sexual urges.

 

Still, good luck with that hard-on. You'd have to REALLY, REALLY be into it. At least Tranquil aren't dead, so they won't go naturally cold...

 

Ugh. Why am I considering. Now I need a shower in addition to the standart decontamination.

[mrs_anomaly]

The Tranquil are treated and used like robots. They have most of the qualities of robot personalities except biological needs like eating. So "romance" is a no go IMO. But if one were able to convince a Tranquil sex is the goal and it was a requirement it would be like uh using a tool not interfacing with a self aware intellect. I'd think taking advantage of that is pretty high on the rape scale 

[Qun00]

Doooonk!


Still, good luck with that hard-on. You'd have to REALLY, REALLY be into it. At least Tranquil aren't dead, so they won't go naturally cold...

Ugh. Why am I considering. Now I need a shower in addition to the standart decontamination.

You're making it more unsettling than it needs to be. I'm not discussing whether it would be fun to do it, but if the tranquil still can be interested on a purely physical level.

That is a better question than the OP's, as they obviously can't have romantic feelings.