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[Sah291]

Well, I think David Gaider had confirmed they still have free will, it's just that they tend to avoid conflict and have logical reasons for doing things... So they might seem indifferent to us. But they can still make choices and make up their own mind.

There just was no logical reason to resist things like being confined in the Circle, even though they could technically leave, because they needed shelter, jobs, and wanted to have a purpose, etc.

[Serza]

You're making it more unsettling than it needs to be. I'm not discussing whether it would be fun to do it, but if the tranquil still can be interested on a purely physical level.

That is a better question than the OP's, as they obviously can't have romantic feelings.

 

I don't know. Would they feel it the same way a "normal" person would, on the physical layer, as you wish?

 

Feels like another "Tali's Sweat" to me...

[Gervaise]

A Tranquil would not have romantic feelings because that involves the emotion.    A Tranquil might have purely physical sexual urges but wouldn't regard it as anything more.    The other person would be disappointed if they did want it to mean more.       However, if that person then told the Tranquil they had affection for them, the Tranquil might demonstrate loyalty to them through the process of logic even if they couldn't reciprocate those feelings.     A lot might depend on when the person was made Tranquil and how much experience they had of human relationships.    This is what I found odd about the way Karl was portrayed since even if he could not longer experience emotions, he surely still had his memory and so would recognise Anders as someone he once had loyalty to, just as Maddox could still demonstrate loyalty to Samson.   He could recognise Samson as someone who had once helped him and had been punished as a result; also that Samson was the one person who still felt concern for his welfare and therefore to whom he wished to give his loyalty.    When Karl said to Anders "Why are you looking at me in that way", it seemed odd, since only seconds before he had been asking him to kill him.   Karl might not have still felt the emotion that had caused him to make that request but he surely still remembered that he had made it?  Likewise he might not still feel the romantic attachment to Anders but surely he would remember that Anders had figured quite extensively in his life?

[Joe25]

Ah the age age old question of can a robot fall in love.

[Sah291]

@Gervaise,

In the book Asunder, we learn that being cured of tranquillity can be very a disorienting and emotionally frightening experience.

Karl was temporarily cured by Anders very suddenly, and then lost control again, so I guess it makes sense he was kind of confused at the time.

[Heimdall]

Could tranquil become aroused? Probably. Would they actually desire and seek out sex? That, I'm not so sure. I can't really picture a tranquil propositioning someone for sex... Actually I can, I just don't think they would. They'd probably just take care of it themselves in a boring and efficient manner before getting on with their day.

[Gervaise]

With Pharamond the confusion came because he was overwhelmed by having emotions after being denied them for so long.   When he discovered that he was going to be made tranquil again, he preferred to die and when Cole refused to do this for him, found someone else who was willing.    So Karl's reaction to getting back his emotions and then realising he was losing them again was consistent with this; he'd rather die.     With no confusing emotions clouding his reasoning, I felt that Karl would be able to surmise that he had requested Anders kill him and that given his long standing connection with Karl, Anders was finding it difficult to cope with his emotions.     To be honest, the whole business of it being reversible has always seemed a bit strange, particularly the way it is achieved.   If the lyrium brand severs your connection to the Fade, how does a spirit touching your mind get past that?  You still physically have the brand.   Plus I couldn't understand why Karl's restoration was only temporary for a few minutes and yet Pharamond's was permanent.    I could understand the temporary example better than the permanent one.

[Heimdall]

With Pharamond the confusion came because he was overwhelmed by having emotions after being denied them for so long. When he discovered that he was going to be made tranquil again, he preferred to die and when Cole refused to do this for him, found someone else who was willing. So Karl's reaction to getting back his emotions and then realising he was losing them again was consistent with this; he'd rather die. With no confusing emotions clouding his reasoning, I felt that Karl would be able to surmise that he had requested Anders kill him and that given his long standing connection with Karl, Anders was finding it difficult to cope with his emotions. To be honest, the whole business of it being reversible has always seemed a bit strange, particularly the way it is achieved. If the lyrium brand severs your connection to the Fade, how does a spirit touching your mind get past that? You still physically have the brand. Plus I couldn't understand why Karl's restoration was only temporary for a few minutes and yet Pharamond's was permanent. I could understand the temporary example better than the permanent one.

Well, Pharamond was fully possessed while Karl was only briefly in the vicinity of Vengeance. That might explain why Karl's recovery faded away. Maybe being near a spirit that's already in a body isn't enough, as opposed to being directly touched by an incorporeal one as Seekers are.

I could be wrong, but I thought there was an implication that Pharamond's emotion instability and inability to regulate his feelings might have been why he was made tranquil.

[Sah291]

It hasn't been explained how tranquillity works exactly. It is said to sever the mages connection to the fade, and their emotions with it, but Pharamond reports that it was more like being trapped there permanently, in a waking nightmare.

It might be the lyrium brand is a spell, and is keeping them in some kind of dream or trance like state. Being touched by a spirit breaks the spell and wakes them up somehow... As for why Karl's was only temporary, I don't know. Maybe only powerful spirits or demons can manage to do it. The Seekers use Faith spirits, and the demon that cured Pharamond was a Pride demon I think? Pride demons are corrupted Wisdom or Faith spirits and one of the most powerful.

Justice was merged with Anders outside of the fade and was half mortal by the time he meets Karl. And Anders had no idea what he was doing either.

[Sifr]

It hasn't been explained how tranquillity works exactly. It is said to sever the mages connection to the fade, and their emotions with it, but Pharamond reports that it was more like being trapped there permanently, in a waking nightmare.

It might be the lyrium brand is a spell, and is keeping them in some kind of dream or trance like state. Being touched by a spirit breaks the spell and wakes them up somehow... As for why Karl's was only temporary, I don't know. Maybe only powerful spirits or demons can manage to do it. The Seekers use Faith spirits, and the demon that cured Pharamond was a Pride demon I think? Pride demons are corrupted Wisdom or Faith spirits and one of the most powerful.

Justice was merged with Anders outside of the fade and was half mortal by the time he meets Karl. And Anders had no idea what he was doing either.

 

From what I can gather, the means that Seekers use to cure themselves of Tranquility is by merging with Faith Spirits (like Wynne), becoming a kind of abomination in the process. It would explain a lot of their abilities as well as why they are unable to be possessed, because they already technically are.

 

Pharamond was freed from Tranquility by getting similarly possessed by a demon, regaining his senses even after the demon left him.

 

The reason I think why Karl's recovery was temporary is because he never was possessed, so his connection to the Fade remained cut off. Instead the manifestation of Justice in proximity to him allowed him to essentially piggyback on that connection for a brief time, only to get cut off once Anders took control and Justice returned to his state of dormancy.

 

Or to put it another way, Karl kind of got a temporary "contact high" from Justice lighting up near him.

[Gervaise]

This makes sense except both Pharamond and Rhys theorise that all that is needed is to have your mind touched by a spirit, not possessed.   Admittedly it is only theory and there would be no way of knowing for certain unless this was tested for real, which given the number of tranquil killed by the Venatori might be rather difficult.   However, Dorian was asking Cassandra about the "cure", because in Tevinter mages are generally made tranquil for political reasons rather than because they are considered at risk of possession and so there is no question they wanted to be that way but it was enforced on them.   So Dorian is naturally curious if he can help these tranquil by restoring them.   Cassandra said that the side-effects of restoration was something she was still looking in to but she would let him know if it did seem viable.   Regardless I would say that since Dorian knows that it has been done, he would take that knowledge back with him, so may be a future companion will be a "reversed" tranquil or alternatively saving a political prisoner and reversing the process will be a sub-plot.

[ZipZap2000]

I think they might be able to enjoy those things. It doesn't look good for actual "romantic" feelings though.

I would even say Romance is all about dreaming. And it's those dreams that motivate one to enact it. It's not carnal.. it's more than that. It's staring at the night, thinking about one person. It's what poets are made of.

I should've known I'd find you in a tranquil romance thread spouting poetry one day.

[thetinyevil]

Tranquil are little more then a breathing piece of furniture and furniture can't develop romantic feelings. So no tranquil  can't develop romantic or any other emotions.